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Re:Total cholesterol and all-cause mortality – a study among... by tim333 on Sunday June 09, 2019 @06:51AM (#20138402)
Cholesterol research is a mess of unproven cause and effect and conflicting results. I'd try to live a healthy life and not worry too much about it.
Re:Total cholesterol and all-cause mortality – a study among... by ses1984 on Sunday June 09, 2019 @07:06AM (#20138447)
What does healthy even mean?
Re:Total cholesterol and all-cause mortality – a study among... by Broken_Hippo on Sunday June 09, 2019 @07:36AM (#20138570)
In general:

Eat a varied diet, leaning towards plant-based foods. Whole grains if you can. Don't unreasonably cut out whole categories of food. Being vegan is HARD, vegetarian (or mostly so), not so much. Watch the sugar, including the fake type. Eat your calories instead of drink them.

Also, get some activity. Walking for 15 minutes daily is better than nothing, but try to get more than that most days. IF you can have fun doing it, great! If you lack motivation, do something on the easy side as it is easier to talk yourself into. It is better to this half-assed than not at all, after all, because it still counts.

Keep an eye on stress as much as possible. If you smoke, try quitting (I suggest a vape or e-cig). Drink in moderation, but do have some coffee.

Once you get these general things done, you are well on your way.

Re:Total cholesterol and all-cause mortality – a study among... by bardworx on Sunday June 09, 2019 @07:51AM (#20138619)
Can someone explain why this comment is being downvoted?

Perhaps the topic is complex and nuanced but the advise in the comment seems fairly good in the general healthy spectrum.

Besides some opinion being thrown in, what do you disagree with?

Re:Total cholesterol and all-cause mortality – a study among... by brandonmenc on Sunday June 09, 2019 @11:58AM (#20139982)
> Can someone explain why this comment is being downvoted?

Because HN is full of people who subscribe to fad diets like keto, carnivore, gluten-free, etc.

Re:Total cholesterol and all-cause mortality – a study among... by village-idiot on Sunday June 09, 2019 @09:12AM (#20138955)
I disagree with the idea that a plant based diet is healthier than one that includes meat.
Re:Total cholesterol and all-cause mortality – a study among... by YeGoblynQueenne on Sunday June 09, 2019 @10:03AM (#20139250)
But the above comment suggests a varied diet "leaning" towards plant-based foods, not a plant-based diet. That's the standard recommendation for a healthy diet from pretty much every public health body, currently.
Re:Total cholesterol and all-cause mortality – a study among... by village-idiot on Sunday June 09, 2019 @01:16PM (#20140436)
Given the utter collapse of western health since the 1970s, the recommendation of “pretty much every public health body” carries no weight for me.
Re:Total cholesterol and all-cause mortality – a study among... by bardworx on Sunday June 09, 2019 @04:39PM (#20141758)
I’m not sure I follow: I believe the person you are replying to is encouraging eating a diverse set of foods, including meat, per some health body guidelines.

You also seem to believe that eating meat, not only fruits/veggies/vegan, is good.

Wouldn’t that make you in agreement with the current system of balanced intake?

Re:Total cholesterol and all-cause mortality – a study among... by village-idiot on Sunday June 09, 2019 @07:45PM (#20142644)
Leaning towards plant based is far too close to the “meat is bad, minimize it” camp for my taste. I think meat is not only good for humans, but strictly necessary for healthy development and functioning. In my assessment we aren’t eating enough high quality (important caveat) meat.
Re:Total cholesterol and all-cause mortality – a study among... by YeGoblynQueenne on Monday June 10, 2019 @04:57AM (#20145010)
I think you're misidentifying the comment we're discussing as having some kind of political affiliation that you disagree with.
Re:Total cholesterol and all-cause mortality – a study among... by village-idiot on Monday June 10, 2019 @07:48AM (#20145771)
I’m not sure how you got to politics from what I said.
Re:Total cholesterol and all-cause mortality – a study among... by YeGoblynQueenne on Monday June 10, 2019 @04:19PM (#20150407)
Apologies for the confusion- I meant an affiliation with veganism and vegetarianism. I think of those as political views.
Re:Total cholesterol and all-cause mortality – a study among... by YeGoblynQueenne on Monday June 10, 2019 @04:50AM (#20144976)
I dont' know what you mean about "the utter collapse of western health".

Public health organisations are staffed by experts who have spent most of their lives studying the relevant subjects. How likely is it that you, or anyone who hasn't dedicated that much time and effort in studying those subjects, will know better than those who have?

I'm not saying it's impossible, mind. But just what are the chances that your opinion is right and that of thousands of experts is wrong?

Re:Total cholesterol and all-cause mortality – a study among... by village-idiot on Monday June 10, 2019 @08:37AM (#20146151)
It’s easy; evaluate based on the results. Since the 1970s the US government and other public health organizations has attempted tell Americans what to eat more of, and what to eat less of. Nearly 50 years later we can take a step back and realize that Americans are fatter, sicker, and weaker than they were before then.

There have been some successes, we are now very good at catching CVD early, and should you have a heart attack you are now much more likely to survive than before. But on the food front, what we’re talking about here, it has been a complete and unmitigated disaster.

Because of that, I don’t trust public health officials one iota when it comes to food and diet. That doesn’t mean I’m right, but I know that they have a track record of failure and unintended consequences.

Re:Total cholesterol and all-cause mortality – a study among... by YeGoblynQueenne on Monday June 10, 2019 @04:19PM (#20150397)
I don't know that you can attribute bad eating habits to the recommendations of public health organisations. Perhaps the public is just not following those recommendations? My understanding is that processed foods and sugary drinks are consumed in great numbers, but that is certainly not in accordance with the recommendation of any public health organisations that I know of.

Also, as far as I know, public vaccination programmes have greatly reduced, and almost eliminated many diseases like measles, tetanus and typhoid, not just in the US but the world over, although of course measles is making a comeback.

Are you perhaps drawing a conclusion about public health bodies in western countries in general, from an experience with health services in the US? The US seems to be very peculiar in how it treats public health. I live in the UK and I wouldn't say that the national health service (the NHS) has collapsed. It has its problems and it's being attacked constantly but for the time being, it's working fine. The same is true for most central European countries.

Re:Total cholesterol and all-cause mortality – a study among... by village-idiot on Monday June 10, 2019 @05:54PM (#20151257)
> I don't know that you can attribute bad eating habits to the recommendations of public health organisations.

Americans have actually followed the recommendations of the USDA for years. They replaced saturated fat with “heart healthy” seed oils, and they diligently consumed low fat diets.

Keep in mind that official recommendations will affect what foods are available for sale too.

> My understanding is that processed foods and sugary drinks are consumed in great numbers, but that is certainly not in accordance with the recommendation of any public health organisations that I know of.

In the United States nutrition labels have a maximum daily amount of most nutrients, except sugar. The official line has been that saturated fat causes heart disease, and that replacing fat in packaged goods with sugar was ok. This is why we have candy in the United States proudly labeling itself as a “fat free food”, and we used to have marketing campaigns touting the weight loss benefit of sugar.

This is finally starting to turn around, but the public health agencies have been laggards when it comes to the realization of how bad sugar is, not at the forefront.

And that’s not even getting into the whole bailiwick about how they process foods, which has changed in accordance with public health recommendations. They used to at least use natural fats in the few processed foods we used to eat, such as lard, but all of those were changed years ago to seed oils that were nominally less bad.

> Also, as far as I know, public vaccination programmes have greatly reduced, and almost eliminated many diseases like measles, tetanus and typhoid, not just in the US but the world over, although of course measles is making a comeback.

As I clearly stated, all public health programs should be judged by their outcomes, and the results of public vaccination have been an unqualified success.

But just because the official recommendations on vaccinations have worked, it doesn’t follow that the official recommendations on diet will too.

> Are you perhaps drawing a conclusion about public health bodies in western countries in general, from an experience with health services in the US?

Yes, that’s a fair criticism.

> I live in the UK and I wouldn't say that the national health service (the NHS) has collapsed.

That’s not what I said. I said that our health has collapsed, i.e. we’re fat and sick.

Re:Total cholesterol and all-cause mortality – a study among... by YeGoblynQueenne on Tuesday June 11, 2019 @05:42AM (#20154010)
>> The official line has been that saturated fat causes heart disease, and that replacing fat in packaged goods with sugar was ok. This is why we have candy in the United States proudly labeling itself as a “fat free food”, and we used to have marketing campaigns touting the weight loss benefit of sugar.

Did US public health organisations actually recommend replacing fat with sugars? I find this very surprising, if it is the case. I wouldn't be surprised if that was instead a practice adopted by industry, despite and against official recommendations.

For example, Wikipedia tells me that diet Coke was first sold in 1982. That must mean that there was, already, a clear awareness of the detrimental effect of sugar, and sugary drinks in particular, on health. That awareness can't have come from the soft drinks industry itself so it must have come from public health officials.

Re:Total cholesterol and all-cause mortality – a study among... by village-idiot on Tuesday June 11, 2019 @10:30AM (#20155724)
USDA guides have historically referred to “sweets” as something to consume “sparingly” without any concrete recommendations around maximum grams per day. Up until 2015 they have provided no guidance around added sugars in other products, including in the 6-11 servings of bread (!!) recommended per day.

In 2015 they finally released a recommendation that sugar make up no more than 10% of an American’s daily calories, which is insane.

Also at a practical level, a recommendation to remove fat from diets is a recommendation to add sugar. A wide variety of foods are just absolutely disgusting if you have neither fat nor sugar, and if you declare that the reduction of dietary fat is the main goal for Americans, the result will necessarily be more added sugar. The dietary guidelines still recommend that Americans eat leaner cuts of meat and switch to 1% milk, as if they haven’t already done that.

Re:Total cholesterol and all-cause mortality – a study among... by DanBC on Sunday June 09, 2019 @08:04AM (#20138678)
The over-emphasis of "being vegan is HARD".

It's not, it's mildly tricky, and there's not much evidence that people following a vegan diet are nutritionally worse off than the people who don't think about their food at all, many of whom don't eat any fresh fruit or veg across a week.

Re:Total cholesterol and all-cause mortality – a study among... by Broken_Hippo on Sunday June 09, 2019 @10:14AM (#20139310)
Compared with being vegetarian or mostly vegetarian, it is. One must pay much more attention to their diet and intake. In addition, most folks need to take supplements. As the other response said, it is also harder to eat out. Vegetarian is much easier - the addition of things like eggs and cheese helps out tremendously. I read ingredients, sure, but it isn't an issue most times. It would take more mental work to keep out all animal products.

I might be mostly vegetarian and eat eggs and cheese and fish once a week, but I usually tell folks to reduce their eat. Sometimes I say instead to make sure they eat enough fruit and veg and whole grain. I say this stuff because it is easier for most folks to concentrate on things like this to improve overall diet without feeling like they have to spend days figuring things out.

Re:Total cholesterol and all-cause mortality – a study among... by EForEndeavour on Sunday June 09, 2019 @11:46AM (#20139917)
It's perfectly accurate to point out that sticking to a vegan diet is hard, never mind giving up leather and wool.

Also, it's worth noting that the difficulty of going vegan varies greatly with your location. For example, eating vegan in Japan is a legitimate pain in the ass.

Re:Total cholesterol and all-cause mortality – a study among... by viraptor on Sunday June 09, 2019 @09:11AM (#20138952)
It's much harder to eat out, apart from specialised places. And those are much more common in large cities than small towns. This makes social meetings harder as a result.
Re:Total cholesterol and all-cause mortality – a study among... by scns on Sunday June 09, 2019 @12:35PM (#20140180)
The case oft an influencer promoting a vegan lifestyle not having her period for 2 years is enough evidence for me.
Re:Total cholesterol and all-cause mortality – a study among... by Broken_Hippo on Monday June 10, 2019 @04:13AM (#20144766)
I nearly posted this yesterday, and decided to today. Losing one's period doesn't mean the diet was unhealthy. Seriously.

There are lots of reasons a person can not have a period. Sure, you can be malnourished, but I'm guessing the more likely contributor was not having enough body fat. IF a woman's body fat is too low, she stops having periods. It happens in a broad cross section of people. A person with an eating disorder will do it as will a woman that works out a lot and eats healthily. Coincidentally, weighing too much can do it as well.

I'm guessing a nutrient deficiency can do it, but I'm unsure on that one. It can be a hormonal imbalance too!

And there are a bunch of other reasons as well. It isn't even necessarily harmful - after all, people quit having periods when they are on birth control with no ill effects.

Re:Total cholesterol and all-cause mortality – a study among... by meerita on Sunday June 09, 2019 @08:40AM (#20138794)
No, not at all. Do not lean to plant based foods or grains. Grains and plants contains antinutrients. Plants don't want to be eaten, same grains. They've contain not only toxins but also many antinutrients.

If anyone wants to have a healthy life, I recommend you to read the book Nutrition and Physical Degeneration from Weston Price. Basically, eat animal products, the more local based, the best. Grass feed cattle will be the best food source for your body. Cut all carbs (sugar), fruits (man made).

There are 15 nutrients that you can only get from animal products. You can get all minerals and vitamins from animal products you don't need plants at all.

Re:Total cholesterol and all-cause mortality – a study among... by wincy on Sunday June 09, 2019 @12:12PM (#20140062)
I suspect that both keto and vegan work as diets because they both cut out processed hyperpalatable foods from ones diet. We should look at the things neither vegans nor keto people are eating, and those are probably what’s bad for us.

The worst offenders for weight gain are foods that don’t trigger a satiation response, like chips and dip or French fries. Foods where the fat to carbohydrate ratio is nearing 1:1 will cause people to overeat. Processed foods tend to have these ratios.

Re:Total cholesterol and all-cause mortality – a study among... by meerita on Tuesday June 11, 2019 @02:10PM (#20157962)
You suspect wrong. Plants don't have 15 basic nutrients. Including Vitamin D, B, B12, A, K. All from animals. Carnosite, Carnitite, etc. If you eat grass feed animals, fish, local diary products, quit carbs, sugar and processed food you will be ok. I am ex vegan. And, yes, I know the answer already: "you did it wrong", but no, I didn't.
Re:Total cholesterol and all-cause mortality – a study among... by chiefalchemist on Sunday June 09, 2019 @07:08AM (#20138457)
Exercise. Avoid sugar. Lean towards nutrient dense foods (i.e., not too many simple carbs). Low / no alcohol. Etc.
Re:Total cholesterol and all-cause mortality – a study among... by tomp on Sunday June 09, 2019 @08:16AM (#20138721)
Noone else mentioned it but... avoid processed food (industrially processed - traditional processing such as pickling is likely fine).
Re:Total cholesterol and all-cause mortality – a study among... by tim333 on Sunday June 09, 2019 @07:32AM (#20138555)
I think a practical guide might be to look at the groups of people who live longest, such as in Japan and Greece. Some factors off the top of my head include strong community, moderate exercise, a simple diet - mostly veg and some fish and low pollution.

eg see https://www.aplaceformom.com/blog/2013-03-29-where-people-li...

Re:Total cholesterol and all-cause mortality – a study among... by carbocation on Sunday June 09, 2019 @01:04PM (#20140376)
There is some evidence that specific dietary patterns influence the risk of developing coronary artery disease:

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1605086

Re:Total cholesterol and all-cause mortality – a study among... by dmitryminkovsky on Sunday June 09, 2019 @08:25AM (#20138752)
Everything in moderation?
Re:Total cholesterol and all-cause mortality – a study among... by sethammons on Sunday June 09, 2019 @08:31AM (#20138768)
Including moderation
Re:Total cholesterol and all-cause mortality – a study among... by makeszerosense3 on Sunday June 09, 2019 @07:20AM (#20138499)
Organic, ripe, in season fruits and veggies. Raw as much as possible. No animals foods of any kind.
Re:Total cholesterol and all-cause mortality – a study among... by Broken_Hippo on Sunday June 09, 2019 @07:30AM (#20138545)
This is certainly not correct. One does not need to eat organic foods to be healthy. I'll add that not everyone has in season fruits around. I live in Norway. Do you know what is in season during January in Norway?

Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Doubly so if you aren't eating animal products.

I'll add that avoiding all animal products has its own perils, namely the sort that results in vitamin deficiencies. And while a diet filled with whole grains and mostly plant-based foods is considered healthy, we simply don't know enough about nutrition to have one way or another. Or even to get vitamin doses right. I say all this while eating mostly vegetarian myself. I eat fish about once a week. I don't like it so much, but it is healthy.

Re:Total cholesterol and all-cause mortality – a study among... by scns on Sunday June 09, 2019 @08:01AM (#20138665)
Raw fruit is fine, veggies not really. Many contain substances that should deter animals from eating them. The digestibility of veggies usually increases when they are cooked.

wheat contains Phytic acid for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytic_acid which can be reduced with the correct dough process.

The beta-carotene in carrots is fat soluble and the cells are pretty robust, so you get more out of them if you cook them in fat.

Champignons contain a mild poison, which is not deadly for humans but destroyed when heated, digestibility increases too.

Re:Total cholesterol and all-cause mortality – a study among... by makeszerosense3 on Sunday June 09, 2019 @09:30AM (#20139056)
If heat is required to consume something, it's a sign you should not be eating it.
Re:Total cholesterol and all-cause mortality – a study among... by sambal on Sunday June 09, 2019 @09:55AM (#20139193)
These sorts of completely out-of-left-field’s-left-field beliefs absolutely fascinate me, I’m not being disingenuous here.

Are you part of a proper subculture that engages with this? If so, where do you all hang out, what do you read?

Re:Total cholesterol and all-cause mortality – a study among... by fpoling on Sunday June 09, 2019 @09:53AM (#20139183)
The is good evidence to suggest that human ancestors started to use fire to cook meat and/or starchy vegetables more than million of years ago. It is enough for evolutionary adaptation.

There are even suggestions that it was cooking by opening untapped sources of calories that allowed for a bigger brain to evolve.

Re:Total cholesterol and all-cause mortality – a study among... by meerita on Sunday June 09, 2019 @08:41AM (#20138803)
Good luck trying to get all the 15 nutrients that only are present on animal food.
Re:Total cholesterol and all-cause mortality – a study among... by atomi on Sunday June 09, 2019 @09:44AM (#20139139)
Check out the Daily Dozen. It does require a vitamin B12 supplement. If you take a B complex it will include niacin as well which will help with cholesterol.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=MqmSMunAtss

Also, lose weight. The body induces some beneficial activity while fasting.

Re:Total cholesterol and all-cause mortality – a study among... by meerita on Tuesday June 11, 2019 @02:17PM (#20158038)
Nice, that sounds amazing to take pills instead eat natural food. B12 synthetic, or Cyanocobalamin, is the most dangerous thing you can eat. You can become inmune to B12, and increase your deficiency and, die faster, basically. Check papers about this. The best higher quality methylcobalamin is only obtained from nature.
Re:Total cholesterol and all-cause mortality – a study among... by atomi on Saturday June 15, 2019 @02:49PM (#20191446)
Your claims aren't credible without sources.