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Re:Hearing your touch: A new acoustic side channel on smartp... by sytelus on Friday June 07, 2019 @04:49AM (#20122772)
Pretty cool paper: they train LDA model to predict password from sound of taps with 61% accuracy! This required background app running on device with access to microphone. The obvious extension is to predict password from video clip of someone entering it!
Re:Hearing your touch: A new acoustic side channel on smartp... by nine_k on Friday June 07, 2019 @04:34PM (#20128343)
The front camera has very little chance to register any finger motion on screen, though.

Adding accelerometer (tilt / shift) data could help a little bit, because it's correlated to the motion of typing hands, too.

Re:Hearing your touch: A new acoustic side channel on smartp... by JeremyBanks on Friday June 07, 2019 @04:41PM (#20128412)
It helps quite a bit. The relevant web APIs were retroactively rate-limitied to mitigate these risks.

https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=421691

https://arxiv.org/abs/1410.7746

Re:Hearing your touch: A new acoustic side channel on smartp... by jasonhong on Friday June 07, 2019 @09:45PM (#20130096)
There were 3 research papers that came out around 2012 (almost simultaneously) that looked at using accelerometers to infer what people were typing.

Here is one of them, I don't recall the other two. https://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=2162095

Re:Hearing your touch: A new acoustic side channel on smartp... by malka on Saturday June 08, 2019 @05:23AM (#20131467)
It could look at your eyes to infer wich key you are pressing
Re:Hearing your touch: A new acoustic side channel on smartp... by shostack on Friday June 07, 2019 @08:45PM (#20129858)
Honestly, I'd really prefer that to all the times when I have slightly damp fingers an my fingerprint sensor is not registering, or it is causing issues with swiping.
Re:Hearing your touch: A new acoustic side channel on smartp... by rjohnk on Friday June 07, 2019 @05:45PM (#20128918)
For PIN codes, would randomizing the placement of the keys on the virtual 10-key keyboard mitigate this?
Re:Hearing your touch: A new acoustic side channel on smartp... by azinman2 on Friday June 07, 2019 @07:38PM (#20129561)
Yes, and it’d help with simple finger oil on screen analysis, but it’d make for a frustrating ux.
Re:Hearing your touch: A new acoustic side channel on smartp... by plmpsu on Saturday June 08, 2019 @02:51AM (#20131025)
LineageOS has this as an option.

It's actually not so bad UX-wise.

Re:Hearing your touch: A new acoustic side channel on smartp... by seandougall on Friday June 07, 2019 @08:22PM (#20129752)
So does using an alphanumeric passcode instead. Especially if you include capital letters and punctuation that you can access with a swipe starting at the shift or number key (so you never actually tap the key that produces the input).
Re:Hearing your touch: A new acoustic side channel on smartp... by pascoej on Saturday June 08, 2019 @04:45AM (#20131348)
ICBC does this on the full keyboard, but they randomize everytime you switch from symbols <-> normal keyboard. Makes for a frustrating UX.
Re:Hearing your touch: A new acoustic side channel on smartp... by freen on Friday June 07, 2019 @10:16PM (#20130220)
Could be cool to combine with an accelerometer and have an accurate keyboard with no moving parts and without multitouch. Could be quite rugged.
Re:Hearing your touch: A new acoustic side channel on smartp... by AtomicOrbital on Saturday June 08, 2019 @09:15AM (#20132220)
Yet another reason why the mobile OS should (freeze / swap out / disable) an app upon entering the background ... at a minimum the user needs to have more control over degree to which above happens ... of course powers to be love a smartphones current total lack of such privacy
Re:Hearing your touch: A new acoustic side channel on smartp... by inflatableDodo on Friday June 07, 2019 @04:06PM (#20128097)
I wonder how much accuracy you could get doing the same thing with the IMU.
Re:Hearing your touch: A new acoustic side channel on smartp... by moreati on Saturday June 08, 2019 @07:12AM (#20131790)
> In controlled settings, our prediction model can on average classify the PIN entered 43% of the time and pattern 73% of the time within 5 attempts when selecting from a test set of 50 PINs and 50 patterns. In uncontrolled settings, while users are walking, our model can still classify 20% of the PINs and 40% of the patterns within 5 attempts.

https://www.cs.swarthmore.edu/~aviv/papers/aviv-acsac12-acce...

Re:Hearing your touch: A new acoustic side channel on smartp... by gdcohen on Friday June 07, 2019 @07:30PM (#20129530)
Brings a new meaning to touch typing.