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Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by AdmiralAsshat on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @09:16AM (#20094657)
That's a pity, because doing grocery shopping at CVS is like doing grocery shopping at a gas station / convenience mart: there's a $1-3 markup on damn near everything. And I imagine the people that are forced to shop at a drugstore are probably poor to begin with, so, that hits them even worse.
Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by ghc on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @10:06AM (#20095144)
I think maybe urban stores might skew the stats a bit. There's so much demand for groceries within a short walk of all the local condo buildings that my local Walgreens has set up a fresh sushi counter. The cheaper, giant grocery stores are all located in low income areas where land is cheap, but there's 8 CVS, 5 7-Eleven, and 2 Walgreens within a quarter mile walk of where I live and work.

So when I run out of flour, I have a decision to make: would I rather sit in traffic for 30 minutes, wait for instacart/amazon fresh delivery, or go to CVS/Walgreens? I suspect there are many people like me who pay the markup every day because it's less of a hassle.

Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by ryacko on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @02:38PM (#20097919)
Most fresh sushi counters are operated by an LLC unrelated to the supermarket, and a baffling percentage goes unsold throughout the day.
Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by Blackthorn on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @01:07PM (#20096992)
Do people not just add it to the grocery list when they run out and pick it up during their usual (bi)weekly grocery shopping trip?
Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by ghc on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @02:33PM (#20097886)
I remember the weekly shopping cadence growing up in a relatively rural new england town, but there was still always the inevitable "milk run" when you ran out of something unexpectedly. With smallish high rise condos it's hard to store a lot of food (kitchen designers assume you don't need a pantry or full size freezer for some reason).

Another factor is that in this age of instant gratification if I were to buy a week's worth of perishables items would go bad because it's so easy to have a shitty day and say screw it, let's go out, get takeout or get delivery (369 restaurants will deliver to me via uber eats) instead of cooking.

Not saying that it's a healthy way to live, but it's become a strong pull over the 10 years since I've made the transition to fully urbanized life. The way we cope, especially after having a baby, is to shop at the local butchers, bakers and markets for fresh stuff every few days and order delivery of heavy bulk goods periodically.

Accidentally running out of flour, coffee filters, half and half, etc., is probably an inevitable side effect.

Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by asdff on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @01:55PM (#20097522)
If it can wait
Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by Shivetya on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @10:34AM (#20095389)
Well until SNAP[1] is blocked from being spent on snacks and sodas these sites will always be in use. The list of foods that are acceptable encourage these stores to focus on the high profit side of the list which equates to what many would see as pure junk.

Plus in some areas you cannot get a grocery in due to zoning or regulatory agencies which can increase the costs of worker and compliance needs beyond normal. There are many rules regarding handling of produce and raw foods that drug store type sellers never have to meet.

[1] https://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/eligible-food-items

Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by alexhutcheson on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @12:08PM (#20096334)
Zoning in Manhattan has made it essentially impossible to build a new grocery store in a normal location. Pretty much all recently-built grocery stores are in basements, due to a "zoning hack" that makes that compliant: https://twitter.com/MarketUrbanism/status/105451854997111193...

This is unfortunate, because Manhattan clearly has excess demand for good grocery stores, and the incumbents (Gristedes, etc.) are terrible.

Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by schoolboard on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @01:44PM (#20097392)
When I lived there we called Gristedes "Grosstedes" and Gourmet Garage "Greedy Garage"... 125th street Fairway made up for it but it was Hell getting through there ...
Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by alexhutcheson on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @02:17PM (#20097721)
Heh, we call it "Gristicky". I'm consistently shocked that anyone shops there. Expired food on shelves, wilted or moldy produce, long waits for slow checkout clerks, and prices that are easily 3x what comparable items cost at Trader Joe's.

Those grocery stores would easily be extinct with more meaningful competition. The only thing that keeps them in business is the "natural monopoly" caused by the fact that most Manhattanites don't have cars and aren't willing to travel very far for groceries.

Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by dsfyu404ed on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @09:25AM (#20094740)
Where real estate is expensive the only grocery stores that can stay afloat are fat margin chains that cater to upscale customers. The poor people are then forced to shop at CVS or wherever, sure it's more expensive than Walmart or a proper grocery store but it's still cheaper than whole paycheck.

WF (or Trader Joes for that matter) simply doesn't sell value priced versions of a lot of items. CVS will sell it at a ripoff. It probably comes out close to a wash put poor people are poor, not stupid. If the numbers worked out in favor of WF they would be shopping there. Also, nobody(TM) does their entire shopping at CVS. People will drag their asses elsewhere on a regular basis to buy certain items that are cheap. Many convenience stores, bodegas, etc. will sell a couple staples or classes of items dirt cheap in order to attract business. You buy your regular items where they are cheap (e.g. $1.50/gal brand name milk from the bodega that buys about to expire milk from a restaurant supplier for pennies and passes on the savings to create foot traffic) and buy everything else at CVS.

Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by momokoko on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @09:35AM (#20094827)
This is a massive misconception and nicely illustrates how much people are influenced by branding and merchandising. Whole foods 365 brand is actually cheaper than many grocery store generics. The data is available online if you want to explore this further.
Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by amalcon on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @11:16AM (#20095800)
This seemed like an extraordinary claim to me, so I tracked down an analysis by Consumer Checkbook for the Boston area. The basket of goods they examined cost over 20% more at Whole Foods than at e.g. Stop and Shop, and over 50% more than at Market Basket.

https://www.checkbook.org/boston-area/supermarkets/articles/...

Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by dsfyu404ed on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @12:07PM (#20096312)
For the chains I am familiar with those results line up exactly with my preexisting impression of those stores as far as cost goes.

Walmart has staples dirt cheap but a much more limited selection. Market Basket has "proper grocery store selection" and can match Walmart in prices except for the things that really lend themselves to discounts for buying in bulk (like those big boxes of eggs) which they simply don't sell. Hannaford and Price Chopper make up the part of the curve leading to the mid range which is occupied by Stop and Shop, Shaws/Star, etc. and then at the top of the price distribution is all the stores I try to avoid at all costs.

They mention large variation of prices between stores of the same chain. I strongly suspect that this correlates with how wealthy the community the store is located in is (which leads to increased cost to run the store). Where I live Aldi is the high priced upscale store. Where my parents live Stop and Shop is the high priced upscale store and Shaws/Star Market is generally cheaper.

The fact that Walmart ranked poorly does not surprise me. There are no good Walmarts in the Boston area. Walmart doesn't throw a lot of grocery effort into stores with lots of local competition. The one near me is really good. The one in Quincy is laughably bad. Tewksbury is good but I'm not sure if they consider that "the Boston area".

Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by c0nfused on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @09:50AM (#20094968)
So, I used to work for whole foods in school. Management made a big deal about how if you used you employee discount and bought 365 brand stuff it was almost the same cost as shopping brand name at giant. As I recall about 5$ a month more. Admittedly this was 20 years ago but it still seems true when I go to whole foods once a year or so.
Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by p49k on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @09:49AM (#20094965)
Assuming this is true: If you visit WF, your entire shopping needs won’t be met by the available 365-branded foods, which means you’ll either have to shop at multiple stores (extremely difficult if you are poor) or buy the remaining products at severely marked up prices, negating any savings the 365-brands products might have offered. In particular, produce, meats and other fresh products are absurdly marked up in WF.
Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by momokoko on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @10:10AM (#20095187)
> your entire shopping needs won’t be met by the available 365-branded foods

Absolutely false. That is the entire stated purpose of the 365 brand. What 365 does not cover is produce and meat. Meat is definitely more expensive at Whole Foods as they do not use it as a loss leader like other stores. I also sometimes wonder if one of the founders being vegan had something to do with that. Produce at WF is definitely about merchandising. The lower priced produced is very well hidden.

> shop at multiple stores (extremely difficult if you are poor)

Poor people don't have legs? I was poor for most of my life. I rode a bicycle to the grocery store. And the 365 brand stuff is mostly non-perishables. You can shop for non-perishables every couple of weeks.

Admit it. You just do not like the brand and identity the Whole Foods represents. It has nothing to do with the actual products or prices.

Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by satokema_work on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @12:08PM (#20096323)
"Just walk/bike to multiple stores if you're poor, lol!"

No. In so many ways, no. If the trade off is to save a few dollars by running around for multiple hours per week to go to multiple stores (uses gas! or takes a long time!), or just going to the nearest cheap store to get everything they need, they're going to Walmart.

It has nothing to do with brand and identity and everything to do with not wasting precious time and money.

Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by derefr on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @10:02AM (#20095095)
> extremely difficult if you’re poor

I mean, I live in an area where there’s a Whole Foods within two blocks’ walking distance of two other grocery stores (one mid-market, one down-market.)

I think this isn’t actually that uncommon; people don’t see Whole Foods as actually satisfying the demand for “a grocery store” in an area (as it doesn’t carry many of the things people expect a larger grocery store to carry—it may have decent produce, deli, bakery, etc. sections, but its grocery section is rather lacking in anything other than up-market “bougie” brands) so if there’s an existing other grocery store, and then a Whole Foods also gets built, that doesn’t much decrease the traffic to the other grocery store to the point that it would close down.

The only problem is property developers marketing a new neighbourhood that only has a Whole Foods as being “close to a grocery store”, and people believing them and moving there. That Whole Foods was probably already there before the neighbourhood was, serving as an outlet to travel to for the larger region that that the new neighbourhood is located in; but the other parts of the region were being served by grocery stores located closer to them, and this new neighbourhood actually doesn’t have one of those.

Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by mac01021 on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @11:08AM (#20095731)
> but its grocery section is rather lacking

What do you regard as the grocery section?

I go to the grocery store weekly and all I buy, pretty much, are bread, dairy, and produce.

Do you mean stuff like breakfast cereal and peanut butter?

Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by bluntfang on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @10:01AM (#20095083)
can you give some examples of products you can't find at WF? I only ask because WF is the closest grocery to me and I don't have a problem getting everything I need. Granted, fresh fruit and vegetables don't have the 365 brand, but I'm assuming you don't mean that? I think the 365 brand is more about staples like milk, eggs, juice? Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong though, I'm sure I'm biased.
Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by rosensan on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @12:01PM (#20096248)
In my experience, every time I've been to Whole Foods they don't have basic produce, condiments and sauces, etc that I would expect to have at a normal grocery store. Common vegetables are just missing from the store for no apparent reason. And their selection of anything Asian is awful, much worse than even Safeway. It might be a regional thing (I live in a city) but where I live Whole Foods is expensive, bizzarely limited in selection, and caters to a very specific lifestyle and diet - I get the impression it caters to people for whom cooking for themselves is a special occasion and not a daily thing.
Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by bluntfang on Thursday June 06, 2019 @10:20AM (#20114795)
Which common vegetables? Can you be specific? At my local WF, not only do I feel their vegetable section to be complete, but the quality is much higher than other regional/national chains.

>I get the impression it caters to people for whom cooking for themselves is a special occasion and not a daily thing.

I'm really confused, you think WF caters to people who don't cook for themselves, but you feel like it's missing condiments and sauces? That's weird, people who cook for themselves probably aren't looking to smother their food with ketchup.

Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by mc32 on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @10:42AM (#20095459)
The only things that come to mind are some household items. Grease cleaners, motor oil, actual OTC drugs (cough, aspirin, etc.), actual full size brooms, pest control and few other things.
Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by bluntfang on Thursday June 06, 2019 @10:23AM (#20114817)
Those items really don't seem like grocery items to me, I think you might be confusing grocery and supermarket?
Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by behringer on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @10:47AM (#20095522)
We call WF "whole paycheck", it's a store for rich people who have too much money. I save over half of my grocery bill shopping elsewhere.
Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by captainredbeard on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @04:00PM (#20098669)
In general, their produce is much better, especially with things like berries.
Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by behringer on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @05:04PM (#20099211)
Better than what? In my area within just a few miles I can get to 5 different produce markets that offer world-class quality produce at rock bottom pricing. Organic or not, anything you want to eat.
Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by captainredbeard on Thursday June 06, 2019 @09:20AM (#20114254)
Chain grocery stories like Safeway...
Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by Dylan16807 on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @10:06AM (#20095141)
Is the 365-brand selection smaller than what you get at CVS, though?
Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by momokoko on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @10:11AM (#20095196)
Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by mlrtime on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @09:28AM (#20094773)
CVS is not cheaper than WF on staple items.
Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by notfromhere on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @04:11PM (#20098763)
Not really true. Poor people shop at places like Aldi's and other discount grocers.
Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by sct202 on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @09:58AM (#20095040)
CVS is has a high/low pricing scheme, so most of the items you see aren't being purchased at full price and people really only buy them on sale. You have to play their games with stacking ECB, coupons and sales though, so it's work.
Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by behringer on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @10:35AM (#20095401)
I had to stop buying at CVS because of this, it was driving me crazy. I would pick up some over the counter medication and it'd ring up for an extra 5 or 10 bucks. Just walked out one day and now I get my medications at walmart or my closer neighborhood pharmacy.
Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by sct202 on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @11:14AM (#20095783)
Oh yeah they put stuff like that stuff on BOGO all the time, which just shows how much they're marking up the normal price if they can give you a free one and still make money.
Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by cvsthrowaway64 on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @12:46PM (#20096758)
Keep in mind that Walmart is able to beat everyone in price not by having less of a markup but by purchasing in huge volumes to get a lower wholesale price to begin with. Off the top of my head our typical store margin is between 20-30%. So yes, pretty high. That doesn't tell the what the company actually pays I'm sure. But markup isn't where we make the money.

Most sales, and particularly BOGO are loss-leaders to get people to sign up for the loyalty card. That's where the money comes from because now we have your phone number and email address and purchase history to sell. Every one of those coupons that prints on the receipt is a paid advertisement. CVS gains by promoting those products. By gamifying coupon use. And those ExtraBuck coupons aren't discounts but more like short-term microloans that CVS keeps the interest on.

Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by Broken_Hippo on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @12:23PM (#20096512)
I worked at CVS for years before moving overseas. It has been 5 or 6 years since I worked there. I worked at 2 different stores.

All sorts of folks buy from CVS, mostly stuff on sale but not always. Moms with a sick child and elderly folks in to get medicines are a good chunk of the customers. Folks without transportation are a few people, sure. In one store, some of the food traffic was simply because we were in a small town with limited groceries: Some of the food was nearly as cheap as the local places. We got a boost of traffic because of football games at a college about 25 minutes away.

The second store was a 24 hour store, and though the town had 24 hour grocery stores, they weren't next to us at night. We were not far from a small college as well. And again, same sorts of customers, usually picking up one or two things.

Even more extra bonus points on holidays, since we were always open (at both stores). I think people figured we'd be less busy.

Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by oddthink on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @12:46PM (#20096762)
Not in my experience. I have both a CVS and a normal grocery store (a Morton Williams) across the street. CVS beats the grocery store on milk price (e.g. Horizon) by ~$0.50/gal and on breakfast cereal (e.g. Cheerios) by ~$1.

Whole Foods 365 brand organic milk is slightly cheaper than CVS, but it's a slightly longer walk and has longer lines and is in a basement, so I tend not to bother. (I probably should go there more often.)

Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by dd36 on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @09:50AM (#20094967)
There’s also no fresh food or produce. It’s all long shelf life processed food.
Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by throwayEngineer on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @10:56AM (#20095615)
I study food and I find processed food is lower calorie per dollar, than their fresh alternatives.

It's contrary to advertisments who make you think you are saving money by buying "cheap processed foods".

Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by jcater on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @12:01PM (#20096253)
Lower calorie per dollar, as long as none of it gets thrown out as waste.
Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by manojlds on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @09:19AM (#20094692)
> And I imagine the people that are forced to shop at a drugstore are probably poor to begin with

Why so?

Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by samayylmao on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @09:23AM (#20094722)
If you can't afford transportation you're limited to what you can walk to. In the area I live you cannot bring more than one bag with you on public transportation and it takes almost an hour to get across town on the bus. It would be cheaper to buy marked up food from a gas station or drugstore than pay for a taxi ride or waste half a day riding the bus.

Edit: essentially, a lot of the time it is expensive to be poor.

Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by joezydeco on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @09:26AM (#20094748)
I can confirm that. I live near a block of apartment homes that are populated by lower income residents. There's a CVS and a gas station/cstore within walking distance, but the grocery stores and department stores (Target, Walmart) are all more than 2+ miles away. The buses are infrequent and expensive.
Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by JoeAltmaier on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @09:37AM (#20094857)
Anecdata: I have money and property and plentiful transportation (three vehicles for the two of us). Live miles from town.

I drive to one or more grocery stores infrequently to get what I want. Buy quality food and freeze/store it in my large house. Garden provides some more. Waste is composted and feeds the gardens.

Meals cost me a buck or two to prepare from my plentiful stock. All because I can afford to. Food is a negligible fraction of my budget.

Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by thrower123 on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @10:59AM (#20095645)
You don't have to be wealthy to do that, but you do have to have the storage space and to shift your mindset in a more long-term direction. It's also a lot of work. I grew up relatively poor, but in a rural area, so we had enough land to put in a garden, and we slaved away all summer and fall picking and processing food that got stacked up in the basement cold-cellar and in the freezer. We also bought meat in bulk, either a half or a whole beef from a local farmer, so you had to plan for that lump sum expense and, again, have the freezer space ready to take hundreds of pounds of meat when it went to the slaughter house. We'd also try to shoot a deer or two each year to supplement that, and catch a mess of trout that we'd can up. Then there were the trips to the pick-your-own berry fields, where you'd pick a hundred pounds of strawberries, and then have to freeze them or turn them into jam, and the trips to the orchards where you could pick grain sacks full of the dropped apples for a dollar apiece; then you had to go home and sort out the bad ones. My aunt had a Sam's Club membership, so a couple times a year we'd go with her and load up on staples - again, you've got to save up for it, and then you have to have the storage.

You can do that kind of thing when you are relatively settled and have roots and connections in a community, and the know-how to do all that home-making. We didn't have any money, but we were rich in a lot of other ways. If you are isolated and precarious, living reactively day-to-day, it makes something that is already hard nigh on impossible.

Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by ARandomerDude on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @09:58AM (#20095042)
You're also handsome, charming, and incredibly humble.
Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by kombucha11 on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @10:30AM (#20095355)
Whether or not he meant to his comment illustrates the problem perfectly: those with the means to do so can eat healthy food and absorb the cost/time/distance inherent in that, those that cannot will suffer and chose whatever they can get. Good healthy food at a sustainable price is hard to come by in the US. There are food deserts everywhere. Good food is treated clearly as a lifestyle luxury. Let them eat cake indeed.
Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by JoeAltmaier on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @10:51AM (#20095571)
My point exactly
Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by matt4077 on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @10:57AM (#20095619)
I get where your comment is coming from, but I think they acknowledged that their situation is somewhat privileged. Quote: "All because I can afford to."

It's the old adage about it being expensive to be poor, only in reverse.

Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by JoeAltmaier on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @09:43AM (#20104225)
Yes, actually. But I didn't want to bring it up.
Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by hedora on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @09:52AM (#20094996)
Also, “proper” grocery chains are often much more expensive (with lower quality items) in poor areas where residents can’t afford transportation. In those areas, CVS might not a terrible choice.

Kroger used to be so bad in our neighborhood that we drove 30 minutes (past upscale krogers) because their business model of abusing stranded populations was abhorrent.

Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by mc32 on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @10:04AM (#20095109)
Being poor doesn’t mean you can’t get a bus ticket. All it means is you are deliberate in your shopping and planning.

You plan your trip to take advantage of transfer tickets and such. Sometimes you walk a mile or two or you bike or you bum a ride from someone.

Being poor doesn’t mean you can’t plan and are helpless.

Sure it’s not ideal and I prefer being able to shop ad hoc at my leisure, no doubt. But when I had to I made do.

Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by PhasmaFelis on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @10:28AM (#20095331)
> Being poor doesn’t mean you can’t plan

Chronic stress (such as from financial stress and working multiple jobs) actually does severely impact your executive function and decision-making ability. It's hard to make dispassionate decisions when you're exhausted and scared. There's been studies about it.

Obviously it's possible to overcome that, and some people are better at it than others. But the burden is real. When you're coming off a double shift, it's really hard to make the decision to spend an extra 45 minutes walking round-trip, or two hours hopping on and off buses, when you could just hit the Walgreen's near your apartment and get home to your family.

Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by samayylmao on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @11:57AM (#20096208)
> Being poor doesn’t mean you can’t plan and are helpless.

obviously not. But anecdotally what I see where I live is that it is a large enough inconvenience that it makes an impact. If you work 8 hours, then have to spend 2-3 hours getting groceries you already have a 10-11 hour day not counting any other commuting you need to do. What if you have kids you need to get off a bus from school?

trying to blanket say anyone not willing to make that trip just isn't trying isn't fair.

It is well documented that low-income areas have less access to good education, healthcare, and other facilities. blaming the residents doesn't help them improve their quality of life. Not everyone will make it out of that.

Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by mc32 on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @12:56PM (#20096874)
Unless you don’t have a fridge, when you have to make a two hour trip for food, you’re gonna make sure you got just about everything for the whole week. There might be some milk or egg runs, but in those cases one might pay a premium once in a while.

We’re not making two hour trips every day after work for food. No poor person I knew did that when I was poor. I did it mostly on weekends when there was lots of time.

Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by dev_dull on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @10:27AM (#20095325)
There’s a weird misconception about poor people here. I’m willing to bet the vast amount of people on SNAP have a car and a job. Being poor doesn’t require an abject state.
Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by throwayEngineer on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @10:57AM (#20095620)
Plan for the worst of poverty. Not the best.
Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by plausibilities on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @04:19PM (#20098822)
No it doesn't.

But being poor DOES mean lowered efficiency with respect to an astonishing number of steps involved to achieve the desired outcome.

And when you have enough of these lowered efficiencies at one time and they begin to compound like interest...

Not always a pretty picture.

Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by ionised on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @11:04AM (#20095681)
> Being poor doesn’t mean you can’t

it kinda does though.

The effects of financial stress on your mental wellbeing are pretty well documented and can manifest in ways such as inability to focus/concentrate, chronic fatigue, spotty memory from stress etc.

Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by noer on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @09:23AM (#20094725)
I think because if someone does their grocery shopping at a drug store, then they probably live in a food desert which are typically in lower income areas.
Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by JustSomeNobody on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @09:25AM (#20094745)
This is known as the poverty tax. People in poverty pay more for necessities than people who are not in poverty because they can't easily get to places where they can buy more for their money.
Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by nerdponx on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @09:23AM (#20094724)
Anecdotally, the areas in the USA that most lack proper grocery stores tend to be low-income urban neighborhoods.
Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by monocasa on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @09:23AM (#20094723)
Because drugstores tend to be a replacement for grocery stores in food deserts.
Re:Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major... by CarVac on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @09:24AM (#20094732)
Being in a "food desert" where there are no grocery stores nearby.