Even if Huawei handsets in Europe are not a threat to national security, most consumers would expect them to be able to run Android, which Google can no longer sell them...

It's a great opportunity for the rest of the world to stop leaning on American companies and American technology. It would be wonderful for a European and/or an Asian alternative to Android to emerge.

Sailfish OS claims to be mature and available for "corporate customers." I haven't seen any evidence past their own website, though.

The Russian government is using Sailfish in a big way. I heard the Russian post-office as well. There were negotiations with the Chinese government, but I assume that might have fallen through.

Jolla is not much B2C anymore, mostly B2B now.

Are you giving VC funding for this?

Yes.

Can you further fund Purism and their phone?

Headquarters: South San Francisco, CA

What has stopped Europe from doing this already? What conditions in Europe have prevented more innovation when it comes to hardware and software development?

Stephen Elop

I wonder why would Huawei bother buying android from Google instead of just using it, or respect any patent for that matter. If USA refuses to play with Huawei why Huawei should play with USA?

1) Android was an example. There are many components in a phone. 2) Much of the margin/profit comes from sales in international markets. For example, the EU. Where WTO-wise, copyright and patent rights still hold.

20% of Five Eyes is in Europe. That's one good reason.

I guess that is one upside of Brexit.

20% of Five Eyes, but the UK only represents 1 out of 28 countries in the EU which is 3.57%, yet they should dictate what everybody else does?

edit: Why the downvotes? As an EU citizen, I'm directly affected by this, and I very much do not like the idea of the EU towing the Five Eyes line to further fascilitate US foreign policy interests.

We very much would like to make our own decisions in our own interests and not have all our policies decided and forced upon us by the biggest brother on the planet.

The EU is built around veto powers and allowing a single country to dictate things that are very important to them.

That's a tad bit simplified, in reality, single countries can be overruled, it just doesn't happen that often [0], but it still happens.

In that context, I doubt the EU is gonna let itself get dictated what to do by the UK, which is in the process of leaving said EU. It would be like eating your cake and still having it.

[0] https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/bvj3o7/eu_legislati...

Five Eyes network, plus more informal relations with various European intelligence agencies. Not surprising or hard to see that the US wants to keep a strategic rival out.

Huawei may be one of the most popular smartphone brands in Poland (if not the most popular actually).

I guess the "Chinese dream" is over.

As you implies, national security is not much of a thing. but it's pure naivety and shortsightedness that european countries take a pro-huawei stance in this trade dispute/war. Sure european people can get cheap smartphones from whuawei(because of Chinese government subsidies), but they would be pushed out of business in virtually every sector of the industry by whuawei someday. Anyone has been dealing with whuawei in business knows this. Actually this process has been ongoing.

I’m definitely interested in more information on this topic. Could you assist with a source or point me in the right direction? Thanks!

I'm not sure it's really worth engaging a throwaway account that is throwing around unsubstantiated "facts". You're just feeding the trolls ;)

This is the same organization that editorialized that the very British Stephen Hawking would've died in the British NHS, right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investor%27s_Business_Daily#Er...

Take op-eds with grain of salt. Take op-eds from an editorial board with a record of complete idiocy with more than a few grains.

Europe would have a bigger case by the numbers to be concerned at the US then china.

China incarcerates at an estimated 165/100k while the US at an reported 655/100k. The makeup of or prison population is skewed to certain minorities who are also more likely to go to prison vs the same charges to white suspects.

So the US has made it’s “concentration” bland and bureaucratic- but the overall system is still monstrous.

>China incarcerates at an estimated 165/100k

Does that number include those in the concentration camps? China is refusing to give any numbers about them and classifies them as "vocational training centres" so they likely wouldn't show up under that statistic.

Thats why i chose the word estimate. The reported incarceration rate from China is 110/100k Iirc

Edit: 118

http://www.prisonstudies.org/country/china

The 165 comes from footnotes here. It may be a bit higher now, but would have to be massively higher to close in to the 4x higher US number.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarcera...

I don’t disagree that China is a threat to our democracy, however I cannot accept that the US dictates what products I can buy as an EU citizen.

Remember the Snowden leaks and when the Obama administration made it clear that surveillance is targeting non-citizens? Remember when they made it clear that those of us, not living in the US, have no rights?

And indeed, we have no right to vote, we had no say in the Trump administration being elected and now we have no say in US’s economic war.

So you see, no matter what arguments you bring forth, as long as we have no say in it, our dependency on Android and other US technologies is becoming a serious problem.

> Huawei is closely associated with the Chinese government.

... and Google, Cisco, ... are closely associated with the American government ...

> The Chinese government threatens democracies and good people everywhere with its concentration camps.

As an European: Well, so does the United States. Turns out that being assholes to each others seems to be a human trait.

This false equivalence between China and the US and their modern human rights record is absurd.

The US has concentration camps? Do tell.

Very recently actually: https://www.npr.org/2018/06/19/621065383/what-we-know-family...

Pretty sure there's a big difference between being detained for an act and being detained for just existing.

We're talking about the existence of concentration camps, not the reasons for concentrating.

The act of having their nations destabilized by the US?

I reject your premise?

Immigrant detainment facilities are getting real close to the definition.

Not anywhere on the same scale though.

Did you know about these?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Ameri...

> has: present tense third-person singular of HAVE

Not only does this appear to be whataboutism, it doesn't even make sense. By modern standards the past activities of pretty much any nation are unacceptable.

Putting people in re-education camps because of their ethnicity or religion isn’t the same as detaining illegal aliens. The US isn’t putting people in camps because of ethnicity or religion. Illegal aliens are in “camps” because they entered the US illegally. Drawing an equivalence between concentration camps (of the Nazi variety) and US immigration enforcement is ridiculous. If that difference can’t be discerned, then any intelligent debate is impossible. The immigration policy of the US is worthy of debate, but comparing the US to China or Nazi Germany is just nonsense.

Would you not please break the guidelines with rants like this on HN? No matter how wrong the comment you're replying to is, it only makes this place worse. briandear shouldn't have broken the guidelines with "just nonsense", but breaking them 10x more is definitely not helping.

Also, you've posted several unsubstantive comments recently. We're hoping to do better than that on this site, so if you'd read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and take their spirit to heart, we'd appreciate it. You might also find these links helpful for that:

https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html

https://news.ycombinator.com/hackernews.html

http://www.paulgraham.com/trolls.html

http://www.paulgraham.com/hackernews.html

We apparently have a much harder time hacking them :(