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Re:Google’s Shadow Work Force: Temps Who Outnumber Full-Time... by C1sc0cat on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @08:05AM (#20029225)
I would bet the NYT outsources cleaners, janitors and security guards as well.
Re:Google’s Shadow Work Force: Temps Who Outnumber Full-Time... by JudgeWapner on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @11:34AM (#20031160)
I would bet those services are included in the lease agreement provided by the property management company they pay their rent to.
Re:Google’s Shadow Work Force: Temps Who Outnumber Full-Time... by gipp on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @03:54PM (#20033713)
NYT owns their building.
Re:Google’s Shadow Work Force: Temps Who Outnumber Full-Time... by gumby on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @08:36AM (#20029398)
They are talking about technical people, not blue collar jobs.
Re:Google’s Shadow Work Force: Temps Who Outnumber Full-Time... by CydeWeys on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @10:55AM (#20030724)
They aren't. The majority of TVCs at Google are call center workers, cafe staff, janitors, security guards, receptionists, etc. They work for companies like Adecco, Restaurant Associates, and various other staffing firms.

These articles always get it wrong by completely failing to distinguish who exactly the TVCs are. They'll interview a less common white collar contractor but then use numbers for total contractors. A decisive majority of the actual white collar workers are FTEs.

Re:Google’s Shadow Work Force: Temps Who Outnumber Full-Time... by JeremyBanks on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @10:58AM (#20030761)
Heh. While I was at Google I was surprised to gradually realized how many the technical teams we worked with were actually non-employee contractor teams. It might vary by division.
Re:Google’s Shadow Work Force: Temps Who Outnumber Full-Time... by CydeWeys on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @11:25AM (#20031064)
Can you give more information, if you can?

The only contractors I work with, and not too closely at that, are the tier one support people for our product in the Philippines. And then there's some web developers, designers, and project managers who work for a web design firm, but their job seems pretty cushy so I wouldn't include them in this conversation.

Re:Google’s Shadow Work Force: Temps Who Outnumber Full-Time... by C1sc0cat on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @09:05AM (#20029570)
The example was an entry level recruiter no offence but HR is not exactly technical.
Re:Google’s Shadow Work Force: Temps Who Outnumber Full-Time... by sonnyblarney on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @09:42AM (#20029883)
Entry level recruiters would be staff at most companies.
Re:Google’s Shadow Work Force: Temps Who Outnumber Full-Time... by duality on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @09:48AM (#20029939)
In my experience, many fintech/Wall Street firms outsource their recruitment efforts to "head hunting" firms.
Re:Google’s Shadow Work Force: Temps Who Outnumber Full-Time... by sonnyblarney on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @09:55AM (#20030000)
This is something different.

Every company uses agencies for all sorts of things: recruiting, marketing etc..

But when you bring people in house, if they're working 'in' your company ... then almost universally they are 'employees'.

These are not 'security guards' or 'cleaners' who exist almost outside the scope of the work, they're very much within it.

If you're in HR at a bank on Wall Street, doing 'recruiting' - odds are you work for the company, not a contractor.

Re:Google’s Shadow Work Force: Temps Who Outnumber Full-Time... by CydeWeys on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @10:56AM (#20030742)
These contracted employees are working for other companies, not directly for Google. Their employer is Adecco or some other staffing firm (which I guess would vary by office).

It's very rare to see a large tech firm contract directly with an individual employee, and it would be incredibly rare to see it happen with a lower paid position. I've never seen it personally.

Re:Google’s Shadow Work Force: Temps Who Outnumber Full-Time... by vostok on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @03:24PM (#20033435)
> If you're in HR at a bank on Wall Street, doing 'recruiting' - odds are you work for the company, not a contractor.

Quite a few of the people I've interacted with were contractors. You can sometimes tell from their email signature even if the email address is @bank.com.

Re:Google’s Shadow Work Force: Temps Who Outnumber Full-Time... by navigatesol on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @09:24AM (#20029730)
Are you familiar with "white collar" vs "blue collar"? Recruiting and HR are most definitely the former.
Re:Google’s Shadow Work Force: Temps Who Outnumber Full-Time... by C1sc0cat on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @09:50AM (#20029950)
No All White collar jobs are "technical" and when I worked at British Telecom entry level HR jobs where Hourly paid CWU grades.
Re:Google’s Shadow Work Force: Temps Who Outnumber Full-Time... by mruts on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @12:02PM (#20031424)
I dunno the head of HR at my old company used to work as a cashier at Urban Outfitters...
Re:Google’s Shadow Work Force: Temps Who Outnumber Full-Time... by mikejb on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @09:09AM (#20029601)
They talk about one example from 121000 contractors - are you sure they don't include blue collar jobs?
Re:Google’s Shadow Work Force: Temps Who Outnumber Full-Time... by CydeWeys on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @10:58AM (#20030759)
It most definitely does include all blue collar jobs that are contracted out, including janitors, receptionists, cafe staff, security guards, movers, and more.
Re:Google’s Shadow Work Force: Temps Who Outnumber Full-Time... by gumby on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @09:19AM (#20029681)
My GF was one of those contractors. PhD. Also they discussed Ph.D linguists in the article.
Re:Google’s Shadow Work Force: Temps Who Outnumber Full-Time... by mikejb on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @09:41AM (#20029877)
The argument was that the NYT article is not talking about blue-collar jobs.

The NYT article is talking about 121000 contractors.

Either Google has 121000 white-collar contractors, or the article also talks about blue-collar jobs.

Re:Google’s Shadow Work Force: Temps Who Outnumber Full-Time... by ensignavenger on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @02:03PM (#20032687)
A lot of journalists are freelance- is the NYT an exception to this trend?
Re:Google’s Shadow Work Force: Temps Who Outnumber Full-Time... by C1sc0cat on Wednesday May 29, 2019 @04:34AM (#20037924)
but but Journalists are special :-)
Re:Google’s Shadow Work Force: Temps Who Outnumber Full-Time... by gniv on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @10:53AM (#20030716)
Journalists too.