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Re:Tesla: Insane or Clever by rootusrootus on Monday May 20, 2019 @09:56AM (#19960330)
I think it is very tempting for software guys to think that software will indeed eat the world.

Fundamentally, until we reach actual self-driving cars (which I believe to be far enough away that it does not merit much discussion of the current car market), cars need to drive first, software second. Given the shit show that is software updates on my workstation, I'm pretty sure I don't ever want my car to be that focused on software. There is something to be said for being careful -- I think the legacy manufacturers ought to embrace over-the-air updates because that just makes sense, but I hope they think more like aviation (but not Boeing ;-)) than silicon valley when they plan their release schedule.

Re:Tesla: Insane or Clever by pwinnski on Monday May 20, 2019 @11:37AM (#19961492)
I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not even talking about the full-self-driving pipe dream. In general, despite real technological shortcomings, the iPhone approach to software beat out approaches of Nokia, Motorola, et al. It's easy to see how a software-focused company--maybe Tesla, maybe not--could do the same with the existing car companies.

For a tiny example of how I'm thinking: Apple introduced CarPlay, and it took years for car companies to be ready on their end. Super-long lead times seem like a good idea when you're talking about airline safety, but for bluetooth audio? For touch-screen user interface stuff? Think about how much iOS and Android have changed just in the last five years, and think about having everything delayed by five years because "we're a car company, not a computer company."

I don't just mean everything that happened in 2012 happens in 2017 instead, I mean that the first release is delayed by five years, which means that it isn't until that release hits the market that developers can see what direction to go in based on user feedback, and then there's another five years before that hits the market, and then competitors are also doing things, but it's another five years before that has any effect, and so on.

I'm as terrified as anyone ought to be about the idea that Tesla can over-the-air release a regression that drives someone into a concrete barrier it used to navigate properly, but the details of Tesla aside, the whole idea of focusing on software seems like a good move, and I think the car industry will (much more slowly) follow the phone industry overall pattern.

Re:Tesla: Insane or Clever by pbreit on Monday May 20, 2019 @12:19PM (#19961971)
This mentality is exactly the reason a new entrant was able to find huge sales success in an extremely difficult and expensive industry.
Re:Tesla: Insane or Clever by rootusrootus on Monday May 20, 2019 @01:19PM (#19962654)
Well, I'd say it has more to do with having billions of dollars to throw at the effort, and a small but enthusiastic niche of tech folks with good salaries and an appreciation for pretty touchscreens and no real concern about driving dynamics. Followed by some image-seekers who hope that a Model 3 in their driveway could be mistaken for a Model S.

Sales are already faltering and money is getting very tight over at Tesla; one of the reasons I opted out of buying a P3D and instead am waiting for a Model Y is because by the time that hits the markets we'll have a better idea on whether Tesla has a real future or not.

Re:Tesla: Insane or Clever by isalmon on Monday May 20, 2019 @07:44PM (#19966398)
Well that's the beauty about Tesla - it's the most fun car to drive. I feel like 99% of people who don't like Tesla have never takes a test drive - it's just very different from all the other cars out there. Software is just the icing on the cake (but also a strong competitive advantage in the future).