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Re:Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extrad... by aliswe on Monday May 13, 2019 @07:02AM (#19897966)
Perhaps they are prosecuting him with the intention of granting asylym afterwards. Somehow it feels like a grab.
Re:Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extrad... by acallaghan on Monday May 13, 2019 @07:22AM (#19898102)
No it's because he's a rape suspect in Sweden - it's not a giant conspiracy or 'a grab', he's just a suspect that ran away from the law.

The USA have already requested his extradition in the UK - to say that "Sweden only sought rape charges because then the USA can extradite him from Sweden" is clearly bogus.

If he actually confronted these charges in Sweden, and found guilty, he may actually be out of prison by now.

And at the centre of all of this, that everyone seems to have forgotten, are these two women that have accused him of rape. It seems really inhumane and unjust to simply shrug these accusations off as political, and not that they might be telling the truth, and he's a criminal in Swedish law

Re:Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extrad... by sedeki on Monday May 13, 2019 @07:29AM (#19898149)
”And at the centre of all of this, that everyone seems to have forgotten, are these two women that have accused him of rape.”

As far as I know, and at least Assange has claimed this publicly in a video at least once, these two women themselves did not make rape charges against Assange.

The case was picked up by some prosecutor who initiated the charges.

Re:Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extrad... by SiempreViernes on Monday May 13, 2019 @08:07AM (#19898435)
They did in fact file rape charges, but as is common they didn't do it immediately but after talking about the event with friends.

They have also, wisely avoiding much of the media, enlisted a lawyer to speak on their behalf on the matter, and it was the lawyers filing that led to the investigation being reopened again.

For a pretty complete chronology, see this page on the Swedish prosecution authority: https://www.aklagare.se/en/news-and-press/media/the-assange-...

Re:Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extrad... by Maxious on Monday May 13, 2019 @07:50AM (#19898296)
One of the victims' lawyer said a month ago when he left the embassy they still wanted to re-open the case:

"We are going to do everything we possibly can to get the swedish police investigation re-opened so that Assange can be extradited to Sweden and prosecuted for rape. No rape victim should have to wait 9 years to see justice be served." https://twitter.com/ElisabethMFritz/status/11162929511251804...

Re:Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extrad... by DanBC on Monday May 13, 2019 @07:52AM (#19898313)
"Pressing charges" may be a thing in US law, but it isn't elsewhere.

In many jurisdictions prosecutors don't need the permission, nor cooperation, of the victims to bring a case to court. This is especially important in crimes of sexual violence because the fear of retribution causes many victims not to report; and because some victims will be being coercively controlled by their partners.

Re:Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extrad... by learc83 on Monday May 13, 2019 @10:00AM (#19899299)
It's not a thing in US law either (at least in the states I'm aware of). "Do you want to press charges" is just a colloquialism that means "do you want the prosecutor to press charges, and will you cooperate as a witness."

In less serious cases the victim's wishes are taken into account. However, the prosecutor is the one who charges the accused, and consent or cooperation from the victim isn't needed. It is hard to convict in cases where an uncooperative victim is the only witness, but it happens in domestic abuse cases all the time.

Re:Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extrad... by dragonwriter on Monday May 13, 2019 @09:05AM (#19898815)
In most legal systems, the initiation of criminal charges is the exclusive domain of public prosecutors, so this seems like one of those statements of Assange’s that is both strictly true (in this case, because it is impossible for it to be any other way) and also deliberately misleading, like the one that his internet was cut by “a state actor”.
Re:Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extrad... by moorhosj on Monday May 13, 2019 @09:01AM (#19898784)
Is Assange a reliable narrator in this instance?
Re:Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extrad... by krageon on Monday May 13, 2019 @07:28AM (#19898140)
> clearly bogus

It is not clearly bogus. It was a concern. The concern might be wrong, as they often are. That doesn't make it somehow not legitimate.

Re:Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extrad... by lostjohnny on Monday May 13, 2019 @07:30AM (#19898158)
Even if it was true, what's wrong with that?

He would be sent to USA to respond of his alleged crimes in front of a public court of justice.

Re:Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extrad... by kermitismyhero on Monday May 13, 2019 @11:01AM (#19899935)
>He would be sent to USA to respond of his alleged crimes in front of a public court of justice.

Haha, no. He'd be sent to a secret FISA Star Chamber. There's no way he'd be tried in public.

And if the Swedish authorities wanted Assange to answer for alleged crimes in Sweden, all they had to do was publicly declare that they wouldn't extradite Assange to the US. That was the sole requirement he had made of the Swedish authorities in exchange for his willingness to return to Sweden. The fact that the Swedish authorities refused even that is deeply suspicious.

Re:Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extrad... by dragonwriter on Monday May 13, 2019 @12:01PM (#19900607)
> He'd be sent to a secret FISA Star Chamber.

The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court and the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court of Review only are empowered to handle foreign intelligence surveillance warrant process.

Criminal charges are handled in US District Courts, and are Constitutionally guaranteed to be public.

Re:Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extrad... by kermitismyhero on Monday May 13, 2019 @12:25PM (#19900867)
>Criminal charges are handled in US District Courts, and are Constitutionally guaranteed to be public.

If you think that the US DOJ hasn't spent a million man-hours to find some way to keep everything as secret as possible, you haven't been paying attention to their actions thus far. They will find some way to kangaroo-court him out of the public eye. They do it with foreign nationals all the time.

Re:Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extrad... by dragonwriter on Monday May 13, 2019 @12:42PM (#19901035)
> If you think that the US DOJ hasn't spent a million man-hours to find some way to keep everything as secret as possible, you haven't been paying attention to their actions thus far.

I'm pretty sure that they have neither spent that many man-hours nor would get much value from spending anywhere close to that, because the parameters of “as secret as possible” are, while always subject to further litigation around the borders, not so mysterious or difficult to assess that it would take that much work to get a solid idea both where the boundaries were and what the relative risks of various ways of probing the areas where there is remaining uncertainty.

> They will find some way to kangaroo-court him out of the public eye. They do it with foreign nationals all the time.

Not with foreign nationals subjected to formal criminal extradition they don't. Foreign, allegedly unawful, combatants detained by the US military or transferred to their custody by America’s cobelligerents in the context of military conflict, all completely outside of the civilian criminal justice system, sure; foreign parties where the government covertly intervenes with overseas regimes to detain them without involving the US criminal justice system to, that too. But none of those are applicable here.

Re:Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extrad... by ivarb on Monday May 13, 2019 @12:07PM (#19900685)
It's actually not suspicious. It is simply not something the authorities can legally do.
Re:Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extrad... by lostjohnny on Tuesday May 14, 2019 @05:27AM (#19907994)
Swedish have no obligation to say what Assange wants to hear.

It's not a trade, he allegedly raped a girl, that's his problem.

If I was Assange I would want my name clear on rape allegations, I wuoldn't run away from it.

Re:Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extrad... by aliswe on Thursday May 16, 2019 @12:06PM (#19930234)
Okay, now I get it. They cancelled prosecuting him because he couldn't be reached. But now they can.

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/aklagaren-vill-hava-haktn...

Re:Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extrad... by colordrops on Monday May 13, 2019 @07:33AM (#19898174)
If it's such a problem why don't you advocate for getting the laws changed in the US? While his alleged actions are shady, they are not illegal in the US, so anyone who plays the humanity angle without also suggesting changing US law is just using it for political purposes.
Re:Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extrad... by nabla9 on Monday May 13, 2019 @07:32AM (#19898167)
That's not how rules based democracies work.

Prosecutor works independently. Sweden has civil law system based on classical Roman law and German model. There is no plea bargaining, everyone who is prosecuted must stand trial.

The investigation was just suspended because Assange could not be questioned. They bring him for questioning to get interview. After that, the prosecutor may choose not to press charges.

The case seems very weak, so the prosecutor may drop the case.

Re:Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extrad... by willvarfar on Monday May 13, 2019 @07:13AM (#19898031)
Perhaps they are prosecuting him because he is accused of committing a crime?
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Re:Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extrad... by DanBC on Monday May 13, 2019 @07:24AM (#19898109)
That's literally rape. He tried to say (in England) that it wasn't rape, and that was rejected by the court. https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2011/2849.html

He tried to claim that this wasn't rape in both Sweden and England (the dual criminality element which is required for extradition) and that was rejected by the court.

Re:Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extrad... by ChrisSD on Monday May 13, 2019 @07:54AM (#19898339)
He was accused of having sex with someone who was asleep and therefore couldn't consent (and the lack of protection showed he was explicitly going against what he knew she wanted). This is rape in the UK and Sweden.

The first prosecutor decided to shelve the case. One of the victim's lawyers asked for this decision to be reviewed. A more senior prosecutor resumed the case.

Re:Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extrad... by vesinisa on Monday May 13, 2019 @07:48AM (#19898283)
This was before the alleged victims' lawyer asked the prosecutor to review the decision. Anyway, Assange has been sought in Sweden since 2010 for rape under mitigating circumstances, which carries a maximum sentence of four years and statute of limitations of ten years.
Re:Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extrad... by willvarfar on Monday May 13, 2019 @07:34AM (#19898177)
Sweden has a comparatively broad legal definition of rape.

My memory of accusations are they they sure meet my personal definition of rape. We may only disagree on the terminology; I trust we don't disagree that what is alleged should be a crime.

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Re:Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extrad... by WAHa_06x36 on Monday May 13, 2019 @07:14AM (#19898036)
Is that why they are now trying to block his extradition to the US, then.
Re:Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extrad... by sedeki on Monday May 13, 2019 @07:20AM (#19898078)
Well, that’s new to me.

Source, please.

Re:Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extrad... by labster on Monday May 13, 2019 @07:27AM (#19898134)
Source is OP, please read the article.
Re:Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extrad... by benevol on Monday May 13, 2019 @07:16AM (#19898058)
Do you have a source for that?
Re:Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extrad... by WAHa_06x36 on Monday May 13, 2019 @10:27AM (#19899549)
The article? The US has asked for him to be extradited. If Sweden also asks for it, that blocks the US if the UK decides to give him to Sweden.
Re:Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extrad... by lostjohnny on Monday May 13, 2019 @07:28AM (#19898143)
That's laughable
Re:Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extrad... by codedokode on Monday May 13, 2019 @08:32AM (#19898605)
What about a case when NSA was wiretapping phone calls of member of German governments, including Angela Merkel [1]? US got away with this without any consequences and Germany said nothing.

[1] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/10...

Re:Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extrad... by lostjohnny on Tuesday May 14, 2019 @05:41AM (#19908052)
They didn't get away with it.

They paid, in money, but they paid.

Hell, they even filmed an entire season of Homeland in Berlin soon after...

Re:Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extrad... by roel_v on Monday May 13, 2019 @01:34PM (#19901613)
What did you think was going to happen? German bombers flying to New York?
Re:Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extrad... by benevol on Monday May 13, 2019 @08:40AM (#19898650)
Were you already born when Edward Snowden made his revelations?

Or how about the Evo Morales grounding incident? [0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evo_Morales_grounding_incident

Re:Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extrad... by lostjohnny on Tuesday May 14, 2019 @05:31AM (#19908009)
Edward Snowden is tweeting about "freeedom of information" from Putin's Russia...

Evo Morales incident is a complete different story.

Snowden was (is?) an american citizen, Assange is not.

Anyway, it is laughable to tjhink that European countries are in the pocket of USA, they are allied, alliance means be on the same side, sometimes even when it is wrong.

It doesn't mean that everything they order, other countries will do.

It's laughable to think that.

Re:Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extrad... by fit2rule on Monday May 13, 2019 @07:20AM (#19898084)
Would that it were another grand twist in the saga, that Assange was saved from certain trauma, for the sake of a broken condom ..

Alas, from the moment he entered the embassy, he has been a dead agent. What is of most import, is how this will affect the whistleblowers.

(Whistleblowers, we know you're out there. Got more fake news?)