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Re:Adults learn language to fluency nearly as well as childr... by cblum on Saturday May 11, 2019 @03:21PM (#19887915)
I’m Brazilian but I’ve had people think I’m American since I’ve lost most of my accent. It’s funny though that when I’m tired my accent shows up.

I do the immersion thing without even calling it so. My view is that if I’m living in another country, I should integrate and learn the culture. I stopped associating with Brazilians who were only interested in staying within a Brazilian bubble doing Brazilian things. Might as well just go back to Brazil if that’s what you want to do.

Re:Adults learn language to fluency nearly as well as childr... by filoleg on Saturday May 11, 2019 @06:09PM (#19888685)
Just wanted to echo this. Moved from Russia to Atlanta, and did not go out of my way to do the whole immigrant community thing (unlike what a lot of my parents and their friends did). 9 years later, living on West Coast now, and I definitely attribute my proficiency in English to not joining the Russian expat community. Meanwhile, there are people I personally know who were BORN in the US in one of those communities, and they barely speak more than just the very basics, despite their community not being an isolated one at all.

P.S. still have an accent, but it has been getting much better, and almost no one manages to guess where it comes from correctly. Heavy majority of the guesses go in the direction of Scandinavian countries :)

Re:Adults learn language to fluency nearly as well as childr... by barry-cotter on Saturday May 11, 2019 @07:26PM (#19889037)
> Meanwhile, there are people I personally know who were BORN in the US in one of those communities, and they barely speak more than just the very basics, despite their community not being an isolated one at all.

Really? Outside of communities that educate their children in their own language second generation children everywhere generally end up fluent speakers of the language of instruction, even in communities where their home language speakers are a plurality or majority of a school population. You do see Indian and Chinese kids in Silicon Valley with accents intermediate between FOB and more general Californian but they speak English perfectly.

Re:Adults learn language to fluency nearly as well as childr... by tomcam on Saturday May 11, 2019 @08:52PM (#19889403)
Yes, really. I grew up in a Mexican neighborhood and can give you the names of people whose families have been here for generations and barely speak any English. Same with the Russian communities in Chicago and Long Island.
Re:Adults learn language to fluency nearly as well as childr... by airstrike on Saturday May 11, 2019 @03:42PM (#19888011)
I have the exact same experience, though I starting learning English at a young age. Out of the 100+ Brazilians I met in Business School, I was the only one who was interested in hanging out with non-Brazilians.

There's a reason I left Brazil, and it mostly has to do with wanting to live in a better culture.

Re:Adults learn language to fluency nearly as well as childr... by cblum on Sunday May 12, 2019 @01:37AM (#19890348)
> There's a reason I left Brazil, and it mostly has to do with wanting to live in a better culture.

Same. Plus the insane violence.

Re:Adults learn language to fluency nearly as well as childr... by aidenn0 on Sunday May 12, 2019 @12:30AM (#19890158)
My grandmother is from Rhode Island, which has a very distinctive accent; she put a lot of effort into getting rid of it and I could always tell as a kid when she was mad because her accent snuck back in.
Re:Adults learn language to fluency nearly as well as childr... by byw on Saturday May 11, 2019 @04:18PM (#19888150)
Don't know if this is common, but when I'm tired my accent sort of turns British. Seems North American accent requires more effort.
Re:Adults learn language to fluency nearly as well as childr... by cblum on Sunday May 12, 2019 @01:38AM (#19890355)
Yeah, the rhotic thing is the first thing that goes when I get tired. I fall back to rolling my r's though, instead of making them soft like in British English.
Re:Adults learn language to fluency nearly as well as childr... by maxxxxx on Saturday May 11, 2019 @05:12PM (#19888414)
"I’m Brazilian but I’ve had people think I’m American"

I am German and I often get asked if I am Irish :-)

Re:Adults learn language to fluency nearly as well as childr... by mav3rick on Saturday May 11, 2019 @04:48PM (#19888314)
I get that. But isn't this some kind of reverse bias ? What if a genuinely good Brazilian wants to be your friend ? You're precluding them based on their nationality.
Re:Adults learn language to fluency nearly as well as childr... by rat9988 on Saturday May 11, 2019 @04:53PM (#19888336)
"Brazilians who were only interested in staying within a Brazilian bubble doing Brazilian things."

I don't think he treats random brazilian differently, just that he isn't seeking a brazilian community.