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Re:Mushroom burial suit turns dead bodies into clean compost... by dusted on Monday May 06, 2019 @05:42AM (#19837985)
Getting human bodies to decompose underground is not trivial. The idea is nice, but I think the idea of a burial forest is much nicer, as it gives an excuse to plant some trees, and provides multiple moral perspectives for not chopping them down again. The burial forest idea is basically that you bury someone, and plant a tree on top, like a tombstone, but, a tombtree, and that tree is then both a memorial for the deceased, and, more importantly, it is a tree, and trees are nice to have around.
Re:Mushroom burial suit turns dead bodies into clean compost... by nkrisc on Monday May 06, 2019 @08:43AM (#19838859)
This is what I've always wanted. However, my hope is that in a few hundred years when the tree finally dies, the wind will blow it over and some hiker will find my skeleton tangled in the roots. Ideally it will scare them, it will be my last prank.
Re:Mushroom burial suit turns dead bodies into clean compost... by mikeash on Monday May 06, 2019 @09:43AM (#19839296)
Startup idea: ultra durable light-sensing box that can survive hundreds of years underground, then emits a horrible screaming noise when unearthed.
Re:Mushroom burial suit turns dead bodies into clean compost... by nkrisc on Monday May 06, 2019 @09:46AM (#19839323)
If it also includes spirits like those that fly out in Raiders of the Lost Ark, I'll pre-order it.
Re:Mushroom burial suit turns dead bodies into clean compost... by pvaldes on Monday May 06, 2019 @11:29AM (#19840299)
Or maybe the opening song of Windows 98...
Re:Mushroom burial suit turns dead bodies into clean compost... by SEJeff on Monday May 06, 2019 @12:45PM (#19841155)
Now THAT is scary!
Re:Mushroom burial suit turns dead bodies into clean compost... by konart on Monday May 06, 2019 @10:05AM (#19839483)
https://www.timesnownews.com/international/article/man-murde...

I've seen similar articles a few times. Not to uncommon it seems.

Re:Mushroom burial suit turns dead bodies into clean compost... by nkrisc on Monday May 06, 2019 @01:29PM (#19841711)
Yes, I recall that one (tragic)! Here's another story that initially gave me the idea:

https://www.cnn.com/2015/09/15/europe/ireland-tree-skeleton-...

Re:Mushroom burial suit turns dead bodies into clean compost... by camelNotation on Monday May 06, 2019 @10:54AM (#19839983)
Human bodies naturally decompose on their own, even without a tree. The problem is that no one is burying people unembalmed, everyone insists on mummifying the corpses of their relatives before putting them in the ground and this is just impossible to sustain. Furthermore, they are burying people in these thick, elaborate coffins that take forever to decompose as well.

Lots of people think cremation is environmentally friendly, but they don't realize the amount of fuel being burned and how much carbon it puts into the atmosphere. It's not clean by any stretch of the imagination. They also don't realize that crematoriums are not cleaned well and that they are often not getting the ashes of just their relative but probably other people as well, but that is a separate issue.

The answer is for funeral homes to begin offering expedited burials that use natural preservation techniques on unembalmed bodies. The new expectation would be that the burial occur within 24 hours of death, 48 if absolutely necessary (something that would be inconvenient for funeral preparations, but worth it) and bodies placed in freezers and on dry ice (in the coffin) to prevent decay and odor from setting in.

This works, it's being done in certain parts of the US and in lots of places around the world. My family is Eastern Orthodox Christian and this is the traditional burial method for us. A simple wooden box, an unembalmed body, and into the ground ASAP. Nothing better for the environment than to return yourself to the earth.

Re:Mushroom burial suit turns dead bodies into clean compost... by kijin on Monday May 06, 2019 @12:14PM (#19840766)
Exactly. Someone I know recently passed away in the UK and they held the funeral service almost two weeks later. This was a surprise to me because where I come from (Korea), everything is over in 2-3 days. That's long enough for relatives to gather even if they're halfway around the world, but short enough for basic cleaning and a refrigerator to keep the body in relatively good shape.

We call it a three-day funeral, but the process can sometimes take as little as 36 hours (death in the evening of first day, burial/cremation in the morning of third day). I think the short funeral also helps the bereaved return to normalcy sooner. There's no time to get used to the funerary mood. You're expected back at work/school/etc. by the fourth day.

Re:Mushroom burial suit turns dead bodies into clean compost... by dmichulke on Monday May 06, 2019 @01:49PM (#19841914)
To support your point - the Grand Duke of Luxembourg just died (April 23) and was buried May 4.
Re:Mushroom burial suit turns dead bodies into clean compost... by camelNotation on Monday May 06, 2019 @02:22PM (#19842245)
That's so weird. Consider what is really going on there.

1. They are removing all of this guys body fluids and injecting him with weird preservatives. He's been drained like a hunted animal and is puffed up with fake juices.

2. This person died and they are extending the time between death and burial for the convenience of those attending the funeral, because the death of a human being is somehow a thing we should "work into our schedule" and not expect to be TOO inconvenienced by. Like seriously? What better way to honor this guy than to be like "yeah, I know you died, but can you just hold on a sec because I really need to let my work know I won't be there for that meeting." It's so detached from the reality of what has happened.

Re:Mushroom burial suit turns dead bodies into clean compost... by kijin on Monday May 06, 2019 @09:55PM (#19845736)
I can understand that an exception may be made for monarchs and other prominent individuals. It takes time to organize a funeral on a national scale.

For ordinary people, though, the immediate family is all who matters. To continue to Korean example I mentioned above, it is culturally accepted that you can just drop everything and leave if a family member has died. You don't work the funeral into your schedule; the funeral forces itself into your schedule whether you think you can afford to or not. I think this is a result both of the Confucian tradition (filial duty above everything else) and of the practical necessities of public health (you don't want to keep dead bodies around for too long in a hot and humid country). The flip side of being able to drop everything immediately, of course, is that you're expected back at work as soon as it's over. Either way, social norms need to support this kind of prioritizing in order for most people to adopt quick funerals.

Re:Mushroom burial suit turns dead bodies into clean compost... by schwartzworld on Monday May 06, 2019 @11:24AM (#19840245)
Jews don't embalm. Embalming is only really necessary if you are doing open-casket, which we don't do.
Re:Mushroom burial suit turns dead bodies into clean compost... by exhilaration on Monday May 06, 2019 @11:57AM (#19840575)
Muslims don't embalm either. Unless the family insists of flying the body to some other location.
Re:Mushroom burial suit turns dead bodies into clean compost... by camelNotation on Monday May 06, 2019 @02:18PM (#19842206)
We don't embalm, but we also do open casket sometimes (if the body is in good shape), so one strategy that is used is dry ice around the body to keep the temperature as low as possible.
Re:Mushroom burial suit turns dead bodies into clean compost... by paulcole on Monday May 06, 2019 @12:41PM (#19841099)
Isn't cremation environmentally-friendly in the sense that it doesn't require additional otherwise-useful land be used for a cemetery? And then it prevents future plane flights/car trips to visit the grave site?
Re:Mushroom burial suit turns dead bodies into clean compost... by camelNotation on Monday May 06, 2019 @02:17PM (#19842186)
If you don't want people to fly or drive to a funeral, just have a small, local funeral or no funeral at all. That has nothing to do with the way the body is dealt with.

And land shortage is not really an issue in any real sense. Even in a place like China or India you could find enough land to support natural burial practices like I described above. If you begin with the assumption that most people want to be buried, there are plenty of options that can maximize the use of existing land. You can bury more than one person in a single plot over time (as one decomposes, put another in) or you can go deeper and do things like bury people in tunnels. If people want a solution, they can come up with one pretty easily, it's just a matter of actually trying.

Re:Mushroom burial suit turns dead bodies into clean compost... by mcv on Tuesday May 07, 2019 @08:52AM (#19848879)
I never saw cremation as environmentally friendly. I won't to feed worms and trees when I die, not turn to CO2 and heat up the atmosphere.

My plan for years now has been to get buried in a wicker coffin in a forest. Not an enclosed coffin, no embalming, no neat graveyard, just as natural as possible underground with a tree on top.

Re:Mushroom burial suit turns dead bodies into clean compost... by DanBC on Tuesday May 07, 2019 @08:53AM (#19848894)
> I won't to feed worms and trees when I die, not turn to CO2 and heat up the atmosphere.

If you're buried won't you turn into methane and then CO2 anyway?

Re:Mushroom burial suit turns dead bodies into clean compost... by mcv on Tuesday May 07, 2019 @10:11AM (#19849488)
I don't know that much about decay processes, I'm afraid. I'm kinda hoping to turn to worm food, whatever that is.

Still, animals die and decay in the wild, they don't get cremated in the wild[0]. That suggests to me it's the more natural and sustainable way to end.

[0] Except in forest fires, I suppose.

Re:Mushroom burial suit turns dead bodies into clean compost... by e40 on Monday May 06, 2019 @11:20AM (#19840209)
Bodies could be put into cold storage if a delay for burial were needed.
Re:Mushroom burial suit turns dead bodies into clean compost... by camelNotation on Monday May 06, 2019 @02:24PM (#19842272)
Sure, that is definitely an option. But people need to be willing to discuss those options and demand them from funeral services. The problem we have with this entire subject is that most people are not willing to engage with it too seriously because they are disquieted by the idea of mortality itself.
Re:Mushroom burial suit turns dead bodies into clean compost... by KozmoNau7 on Monday May 06, 2019 @07:02AM (#19838300)
I would prefer to be buried with as little environmental impact as possible, so a forest burial seems like a good ide.

Equally as important is that I would prefer a joyful wake, one where friends and family get together and remember all the best times we had together, and to celebrate a life well lived. Have a grand old party in my name, and remember to enjoy the good things in life.

Re:Mushroom burial suit turns dead bodies into clean compost... by pastor_elm on Monday May 06, 2019 @11:07AM (#19840097)
I don't need my own tree, and I don't think most people who go this route would need one either. Just dump me in the woods somewhere. I don't care if anybody knows the specific location.

The problem, I see, is overcrowding. It's not really a quality forest if you constantly have to dig holes for new bodies.

Re:Mushroom burial suit turns dead bodies into clean compost... by pvaldes on Monday May 06, 2019 @11:44AM (#19840428)
Not to mention that, huh..., wildboars love to dig and eat carrion so you need some kind of case, (or at least a reusable and temporal heavy metal plank). You will make a dog really happy for a while at least.
Re:Mushroom burial suit turns dead bodies into clean compost... by Double_a_92 on Monday May 06, 2019 @10:21AM (#19839638)
> you bury someone, and plant a tree on top

I also thought about that. It just feels like a nice thing, coming from something deeply ingrained in my mind. I wonder why other people also seem to have the same feeling.

Re:Mushroom burial suit turns dead bodies into clean compost... by mongol on Monday May 06, 2019 @06:02AM (#19838068)
How does that work in the long perspective? At one point it either falls over by itself, or it is chopped down? If it falls over by itself, what is done with it then?
Re:Mushroom burial suit turns dead bodies into clean compost... by NeedMoreTea on Monday May 06, 2019 @07:26AM (#19838394)
The green burial site we've chosen is a lightly managed forest, without the litter of a traditional graveyard - no headstones, urns, monuments and what not. Just an eco friendly burial, with no embalming first, and optionally a small plaque made of local stone. Flowers are allowed, but they must be just a bunch of flowers without wire, foam, vase or plastic wrap. Wreaths are quietly removed a few days after a burial.

It just looks like a particularly nice bit of native forest, and in a hundred years they aim that it should still just look like forest. They allow and even encourage picnics, walkers, dog walkers.

Surprisingly - well we were - it isn't more expensive than a regular funeral.

Re:Mushroom burial suit turns dead bodies into clean compost... by samstave on Monday May 06, 2019 @11:29AM (#19840305)
Where is this?
Re:Mushroom burial suit turns dead bodies into clean compost... by exhilaration on Monday May 06, 2019 @12:00PM (#19840610)
You can google "green burial" or "natural burial" for your state. Here some locations in New Jersey: https://web.njsfda.org/public/decisions/ground-burial/green-...
Re:Mushroom burial suit turns dead bodies into clean compost... by chousuke on Monday May 06, 2019 @06:29AM (#19838161)
Plant a new one? You can maintain a cemetery forest just like a regular one; the dead people aren't going to care, and so long as the forest maintenance is not completely neglected, why would the survivors complain either? It's not like regular tombstones don't erode away with time just like trees would.

I don't know about you, but for me even a fallen tree sounds like a more interesting tomb marker than a slab of stone.

Re:Mushroom burial suit turns dead bodies into clean compost... by dusted on Monday May 06, 2019 @07:08AM (#19838319)
It will not be chopped down. The idea is to plant a forest which is in some form of the word "sacred", a place that is respected, because it is nature reclaimed, or because it is a resting place of the dead. If a tree falls over (some live many hundreds of years), it will rot and take on its natural role in nature as food for fungus and other life. As people die, the forest grows. It shouldn't be maintained, the land should be considered spent, given back.

Forests and nature in general managed just fine without human intervention, and indeed, us valiantly putting out forest fires have only made forest fires more dangerous as forests are now denser than they'd have been with natural pruning.

Re:Mushroom burial suit turns dead bodies into clean compost... by askvictor on Monday May 06, 2019 @06:39AM (#19838197)
At many graveyards you now lease a grave for a certain number of years, not in perpetuity. Not really much different to that. No idea what they do with the bodies once the lease is up...
Re:Mushroom burial suit turns dead bodies into clean compost... by logfromblammo on Monday May 06, 2019 @10:38AM (#19839786)
Traditionally, the previous occupant is exhumed and their bones deposited in the ossuary building. I imagine a modern cemetery just quietly trashes the headstone when the lease expires, and re-leases the plot at full price, as though no one had already been buried there.

I'm not sure when the gravesite lease for ethical business practice expires.

Re:Mushroom burial suit turns dead bodies into clean compost... by nicthesailor on Monday May 06, 2019 @01:06PM (#19841425)
Apparently in Greece they dig the bodies up after three years and put the bones in an ossuary.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-34920068

Re:Mushroom burial suit turns dead bodies into clean compost... by adrianN on Monday May 06, 2019 @07:14AM (#19838336)
You plant two trees, one for the deceased human and one for the dead tree.
Re:Mushroom burial suit turns dead bodies into clean compost... by samcday on Monday May 06, 2019 @07:49AM (#19838499)
... but but then what happens when that tree dies?
Re:Mushroom burial suit turns dead bodies into clean compost... by schappim on Monday May 06, 2019 @08:22AM (#19838716)
Naturally, you plant another tree.
Re:Mushroom burial suit turns dead bodies into clean compost... by lkadr on Tuesday May 07, 2019 @05:17PM (#19853527)
You plant a human
Re:Mushroom burial suit turns dead bodies into clean compost... by nkrisc on Monday May 06, 2019 @09:43AM (#19839301)
The long term perspective is that the site remains as natural as possible. People who choose to be buried here probably aren't looking for an eternal monument to their existence, but instead are trying to leave this world with as little trace as possible.
Re:Mushroom burial suit turns dead bodies into clean compost... by kantos2 on Monday May 06, 2019 @10:00AM (#19839442)
>Getting human bodies to decompose underground is not trivial.

This is simply not true

Re:Mushroom burial suit turns dead bodies into clean compost... by logfromblammo on Monday May 06, 2019 @10:30AM (#19839716)
Step 1. Do not embalm the body. Step 2. Do not put it in a coffin. Step 3. Bury it.

Overcoming the marketing pressure of the morticians and funerals industry is the non-trivial part. It's like getting engaged without a diamond ring. All you have to do is not buy an expensive thing that nobody needs.

Re:Mushroom burial suit turns dead bodies into clean compost... by DiseasedBadger on Monday May 06, 2019 @08:59AM (#19838989)
If they ever successfully clone dinosaurs, I'd love to be fed to a TRex. That'd make a great tombstone photo for the pedia.
Re:Mushroom burial suit turns dead bodies into clean compost... by ceejayoz on Monday May 06, 2019 @12:57PM (#19841312)
You can have yourself fed to their ancestors.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_burial

Re:Mushroom burial suit turns dead bodies into clean compost... by nickelcitymario on Monday May 06, 2019 @12:13PM (#19840753)
Living or already dead?

If you wait until you're dead, you won't get to experience the splendor of being consumed by a giant reptile.

But if living? Oh man. Giddy up, partner.