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Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by vorpalhex on Friday May 03, 2019 @10:58AM (#19819001)
This is not an uncommon story for firearm manufacturers unfortunately. Tooling costs are high, sales hard to predict, and designs can fail easily. Ian McCollum of Forgotten Weapons has done a lot of videos on this topic.
Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by duxup on Friday May 03, 2019 @12:10PM (#19819642)
It feels like the sales are hard to predict have something to do with guns in the US being ... almost borderline fashion items in terms of how people decide things.

Like there's a lot of discussion about usage and practicality among gun enthusiasts, but when they buy their 3rd or 6th gun ... I suspect the decisions are more about difficult to predict things and whims.

It is a strange market.

Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by paulddraper on Friday May 03, 2019 @12:36PM (#19819889)
I'd describe it as less "borderline fashion" (which any hobby has) more as legal caprice.

Historical examples:

* The Firearm Owners Protection Act banned machineguns manufactured before 1986.

* The Federal Assault Weapons Ban banned certain semi-automatic weapons excluding those manufactured before 1994.

Firearm hobbyists need decade-plus forward thinking predictions. What's today legal is a felony tomorrow, unless steps are taken now.

This makes it a volatile guessing game, even more than other hazardous hobbies (cars, aircraft, martial arts, motorcycles, etc.).

Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by duxup on Friday May 03, 2019 @12:44PM (#19819976)
I'm not sure I understand.

You see popular revolvers selling well... nobody is buying those based on the law.

Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by paulddraper on Friday May 03, 2019 @01:46PM (#19820546)
Historically, politically-related events do in fact play a large role in gun sales.

There were lengthy and severe shortage of small arms and ammunition following both Obama's election and the Sandy Hook shooting, especially .22 caliber ammunition. [1]

I don't think .22 ammunition is on the chopping block, but there's a general positive feedback loop, like a bank rush.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%9313_United_States_...

Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by dfrage on Friday May 03, 2019 @02:38PM (#19821063)
.22 ammunition uses rimfire priming, which requires unique machinery which as I recall no US company dared to buy more of, as mentioned in the Wikipedia article you linked to. Existing US 3 billion rounds per year + foreign imports couldn't keep up with the demand, which also seems to have included a lot of new gun owners, buying .22 models like their main guns or conversion kits for cheaper practice.

Perhaps related to this scam, I don't remember any company other than Remington building out a major increase in capacity, that article mentions their $32 million plant expansion. Companies were reluctant since they didn't know when demand and supply would get back in sync, I would also wonder if smokeless powder capacity was a factor, there aren't very many companies that make it.

Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by paulddraper on Friday May 03, 2019 @04:24PM (#19821931)
Yeah. Unpredictability in demand yields unpredictability in supply, and vice versa.
Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by dogismycopilot on Friday May 03, 2019 @04:35PM (#19822025)
Revolvers are absolutely more popular in areas where ammunition capacity is restricted. 7 round .357 is a great option in areas where there is a 10 round max for magazines.

Places out east (NY, NJ) have extremely low limits for capacity, both in effect and proposed. When ammunition capacity is reduced, there is an incentive to go for a (typically) more reliable revolver. Many people would rather have say a 7-shot 357 S&W wheelgun vs a 9-round (maximum) semi-auto magazine.

I ankle-carried a .357 snub for most of my life, and it literally weighed less than the 5 rounds that it held.

Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by paulddraper on Friday May 03, 2019 @06:55PM (#19822990)
> When ammunition capacity is reduced, there is an incentive to go for a (typically) more reliable revolver.

In case anyone isn't reading between the lines:

The chief advantage of a more complicated, less reliable, more expensive semi-auto handgun is its larger capacity in a smaller profile. A semi-auto packs rounds tightly together rather than having an effective chamber around each one.

But if you don't actually get more rounds, might as well opt for a revolver like the parent.

Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by cascom on Friday May 03, 2019 @07:39PM (#19823228)
Not to mention as consumer products go they are incredibly long lived, I can’t think of many activities where someone might still use their grandfather’s [tennis racquet, golf clubs, etc], but you regularly see people still using 50-75 year old guns (if not older)
Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by DuskStar on Friday May 03, 2019 @08:44PM (#19823503)
It doesn't help that a lot of the "fun shit" is restricted to those older guns, since they've been grandfathered in during the US's various prunings of gun rights. So a 50 year old gun might be legitimately superior to one manufactured this year, which causes all manner of weirdness.
Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by wl on Friday May 03, 2019 @09:11PM (#19823623)
What kind of "fun shit" are you thinking of? Select fire is rare and expensive. Open bolt semiautomatics? Eh, some people are into collecting such things, but closed bolts are just as fun to shoot. Just about the only somewhat reasonably priced grandfathered "fun shit" are pistols that can take stocks and not be NFA SBRs.
Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by DuskStar on Friday May 03, 2019 @10:52PM (#19824069)
Select fire is rare and expensive for legislative, not practical, reasons. And it is VERY fun, if not particularly useful. It's a large part of what I was thinking of.

Why would the price matter?

Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by wl on Saturday May 04, 2019 @12:36AM (#19824484)
If we're having a discussion about long-lived firearms having an effect on the market for new firearms, select fire is so rare (175,997 pre-86 transferrable as of February 2016[0]) as to be irrelevant.

[0] https://www.nfatca.org/pubs/MG_Count_FOIA_2016.pdf

Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by throwayEngineer on Friday May 03, 2019 @11:15AM (#19819146)
Not uncommon for most businesses.

>You build something, people want it, pay money.

>Competition happens and you need to change or die

Don't change quick enough, you are dead. Big companies can't change quickly, but they can throw money at problems. Death of a company is inevitable.

Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by blotter_paper on Friday May 03, 2019 @11:32AM (#19819295)
I mean, yes, but that's true of any system with competition. At 1441 years old, Kongō Gumi has outlasted a great many things. They will eventually die, though.
Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by Simulacra on Friday May 03, 2019 @10:59AM (#19819009)
There's also the issue - perhaps - of market saturation. How many guns does one need? My pro-gun friends typically seem to have 2-3 but shy away from any more than that.
Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by Spooky23 on Friday May 03, 2019 @12:48PM (#19820016)
The problem with the "gun" issue is that people who aren't in the culture get exposed to movies, crime reporting and crazy people and just don't have a perspective on many/most of the people who are into guns.

I grew up in NYC and moved to a country town when I was 10-11 years old. Guns were forbidden things that only cops and soldiers should have from our family's POV -- it was really awkward.

But the sporting, enthusiast and security drivers of demand for firearms is real and legitimate, and folks in that culture are equally confused about the point of view. My parent's neighbor had a bunch of guns -- probably like 20. Some were antique, he had shotguns for deer, trap/skeet, birds, rifles for hunting and target shooting and cheap ammo guns for plinking and practice. Shooting sports were family activities that were positive things. I was into baseball, my neighbor was into shooting and archery.

Unfortunately, the toxic politics around the issue encourage extreme positions and ultimate reduce real and nuanced issues into binary positions that encourage bad behavior. It doesn't help that extreme positions make money for different stakeholders.

Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by josefresco on Friday May 03, 2019 @11:11AM (#19819100)
> My pro-gun friends typically seem to have 2-3

From my experience, that's sort of low. I never thought my neighbors had so many guns, until I started spending time at the shooting range. A common site is a trunk packed to the gills with firearms. The "gun guys" buy them like the "sneaker guys" buy Nikes. They usually won't talk about it, unless you express interest or go shooting with them.

Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by omegaham on Friday May 03, 2019 @12:32PM (#19819837)
Can confirm, my father-in-law has more than 50.

It's actually a really neat collection, but I wince at how much it had to cost and how much use he actually gets out of them.

Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by wl on Friday May 03, 2019 @09:15PM (#19823646)
Some people collect coins. Or cars. Others collect guns.

You don't have to shoot a gun to appreciate it. My great grandfather's service revolver? It's a link to the past, not a range toy.

Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by dogismycopilot on Friday May 03, 2019 @04:42PM (#19822085)
The average American gun owner has between 5 and 6 firearms. I just took the class.
Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by TallGuyShort on Friday May 03, 2019 @11:51AM (#19819474)
Let's see, 3 for 3-gun matches, 1 more for PCC matches, 1 more for precision matches, a few extra if I don't compete in the same class for all of those, 1 the kids can shoot, 1 for my wife to carry, 1 for me to carry, bigger ones for the house and cabin, a few extras for the zombie apocalypse.

No, there's plenty of demand for guns. Remington's just lost their former reputation.

Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by icelancer on Friday May 03, 2019 @03:29PM (#19821486)
> Remington's just lost their former reputation

This is pretty much it. Sad, considering I own a fine bolt-action paper puncher from Remington in .223. But it's no more complex than what you pointed out.

Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by dba7dba on Friday May 03, 2019 @12:37PM (#19819897)
Lol, you forgot to mention buying ones for family and friends, like Matt Carriker of offtheranch channel.

I agree free market (with certain safeguards) is usually the best path for a society to sustain itself and prosper.

But I feel private equity firms are definitely not good for a free market to sustain itself. And yet they and their lobbyists will insist free market is the best for our society, use that line to prevent any regulations over what they do.

Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by TallGuyShort on Friday May 03, 2019 @12:42PM (#19819959)
I don't see the market not sustaining itself, though. As a consumer, if I'm not satisfied with Remington, I just buy a Mossberg instead of an 870, or a Bergara instead of a 700, or literally anything but an XD. There's a lesson to be learned that if you open your investment to the public or get in bed with a private equity firm, you may now be pressured or forced into short-term thinking that isn't aligned with your long-term vision. But I don't see this as a failure of the market. In a free market, losers lose.
Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by omegaham on Friday May 03, 2019 @01:11PM (#19820211)
Yep. The gun market is saturated right now. Literally everything that Remington makes is also made by half a dozen (or more) competing companies. If they make stupid decisions and build garbage, that's tough for them.

We don't have any pity for auto manufacturers who make garbage and lose badly. Why would anyone have pity for gun manufacturers who do the same?

Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by howard941 on Friday May 03, 2019 @11:16AM (#19819154)
This sounds reasonable but the article indicates sales were good and gross profits high but what killed the company was aptly-named Cerberus' extraction of assets. It's a story we've seen before at Toys 'R Us, Sears, and others. A modern day Heracles is needed to deal with this beast.
Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by dsfyu404ed on Friday May 03, 2019 @11:06AM (#19819061)
>How many guns does one need?

Need or want? Like any other hobby your limit is your budget.

There are guns that exist for no other reason than the lulz ("hundred dolla problem solva" I'm looking at you). Historically inclined individuals could spend a fortune just collecting variants of one specific niche of firearms from a particular nation and time period.

Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by Blackthorn on Friday May 03, 2019 @11:15AM (#19819145)
All the pro gun people I know, self included, have more than that. There are more guns than people in America, but not nearly everyone is a gun owner.
Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by ummwhat on Friday May 03, 2019 @11:20AM (#19819181)
iirc the number of guns in America is almost exactly equal to the population but the distribution is skewed a lot. About 2/3rds of Americans don't own a gun. The ones who do on average own 3, with a lot of them having 1 and a few of them having dozens.
Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by dfrage on Friday May 03, 2019 @01:05PM (#19820159)
You're recalling a very old guess; an analysis since then https://web.archive.org/web/20190121202815/http://weaponsman... puts the number anywhere from 412 to 660 million.

The old estimates are bad, for example, 275 million new in to the market guns were counted by a system the BATFE introduced in 1999 for high volume manufacturers, importers and wholesalers, a total of 66 FFLs, that no academic had previously used in an estimate.

Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by i80and on Friday May 03, 2019 @11:03AM (#19819046)
Adding onto this, guns also last more or less indefinitely under normal usage and a proper care regimen (which, granted, not everybody follows).
Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by sparrish on Friday May 03, 2019 @11:14AM (#19819130)
As a firearm enthusiast, the answer to "How many guys does one need?" is always "Just one more." <grin> It's a fun hobby that I can spend time with my kids.

They also make great investments as a quality firearm holds it worth and often increases in value.

Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by mindcrime on Friday May 03, 2019 @11:46AM (#19819433)
Yeah, take any hobby or sport or whatever that involves "gear" of some sort, and you'll get some variation of the old saw:

"The correct number of $ITEM to own is n+1, where n is the number you own now."

$ITEM can be "mountain bikes", "guitars", "road bikes", "motorcycles", "guns" or pretty much anything.

Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by paulddraper on Friday May 03, 2019 @02:16PM (#19820847)
Yeah, I think it's fair to say that stamp collectors have tend to have more than "necessary" number of postage stamps.
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Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by dfrage on Friday May 03, 2019 @02:46PM (#19821128)
Your fear has not come to pass. From 1980 to 2016, the last year the CDC has statistics for accidental gun deaths, they went from 800 to 500. At the same time the population increased by roughly 50%, and the rate of gun ownership increased dramatically as, for example, shall issue or better concealed carry swept the nation and made gun ownership a lot more useful for most of the people in most of the states.
Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by icelancer on Friday May 03, 2019 @03:28PM (#19821469)
Firearms collectors don't generally collect the types of guns used in a majority of crimes, which are cheap handguns and carbines. They are usually collecting rifles and shotguns.

You'll find that the data overwhelmingly supports that cheap semi-automatic handguns are responsible for the majority of shootings out there, despite the media coverage of mass shootings often using an AR-15.

Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by CompanionCuuube on Friday May 03, 2019 @01:35PM (#19820433)
> Oh, sorry; I'm sure you're entirely careful and responsible, all the time, just like every other firearms buyer. So there's clearly no problem with having an ever-increasing number of them around.

Fully agree.

Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by sDlEzAtyoNAz on Friday May 03, 2019 @12:25PM (#19819763)
And the better chances that one will be used intentionally to protect a productive and decent member of society from a violent criminal.
Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by fjsolwmv on Friday May 03, 2019 @08:52PM (#19823545)
That's certainly the fantasy.
Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by dfrage on Friday May 03, 2019 @10:12PM (#19823885)
It is undisputed that there are a great many legitimate "defensive gun uses" per year.

How many is of great dispute, getting into minutiae all the way down to survey question branching due to an unbridgeable cultural gap, but please don't deny even the lowest estimates of tens of thousands.

Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by captainredbeard on Tuesday May 14, 2019 @11:48AM (#19910629)
The numbers are on the side of gun owners and advocates. I'd be inclined to think that competing theories based on feelings would be more fantastical... even if the surveys are off by two orders of magnitude, the defensive uses outweigh mass shooting deaths.
Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by sDlEzAtyoNAz on Friday May 03, 2019 @10:01PM (#19823832)
You say fantasy, surveys say thing that happens hundreds of thousands of times per year in the US. I think I'll believe the surveys on this matter.
Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by krapp on Friday May 03, 2019 @11:02AM (#19819040)
Clearly we need to elect another Democratic president to spur the market on.
Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by dsfyu404ed on Friday May 03, 2019 @11:14AM (#19819135)
But preferably after two particular members of a certain branch of government croak and a republican president gets to replace them. I like my snake unstepped. People who live in certain states that shall not be named deserve their snake unstepped too.
Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by captainredbeard on Friday May 03, 2019 @11:35AM (#19819329)
Repealing the NFA & the Hughes amendment to FOPA would be great.
Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by ergothus on Friday May 03, 2019 @11:31AM (#19819291)
Compare to social media games like Farmville - most people might spend money they personally consider excessive, but that balances out with some other forms of entertainment. Meanwhile I've heard they had people spending upwards of $10k PER MONTH. Enough so that it wasn't "that one weirdo".

So while the "average" owner might have 1-3 guns (in this case), and the average "fanatic" might have 5-10, you have enough obsessives to throw things off.

(Carefully does not look at bookshelf with literal hundreds of RPGs)

Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by baud147258 on Friday May 03, 2019 @12:00PM (#19819562)
Carefully does not look at Steam/GOG libraries with hundreds of games
Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by cr0sh on Friday May 03, 2019 @12:57PM (#19820094)
Carefully does not peek inside home shop to see tons of crap (aka - "vintage computers and robotics") purchased from hamfests...

/sigh

Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by r00fus on Saturday May 04, 2019 @01:26AM (#19824636)
Ah, the "whale" model. Of course, what's to seperate a whale from an investor looking to goose the numbers to get his % higher?
Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by pps43 on Friday May 03, 2019 @02:32PM (#19821011)
> How many guns does one need?

I saw several estimates that agree on average somewhere between 8 and 10.

A couple of bolt action rifles for hunting, rimfire for plinking with kids, a pump-action shotgun stashed somewhere for home defense, a pistol to carry concealed, another pistol as backup, grandpa's revolver that is now a decoration, and three old rifles in various state of decay at the back of the safe that everyone forgot about - those are all very typical.

Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by mikestew on Friday May 03, 2019 @12:18PM (#19819703)
As will be clear in a moment, I'm hardly anti-gun but certainly not "pro-gun", and I count five in the gun safe. Shotgun, rifle, and a couple of handguns adds up quickly. Why so many for a "not pro-gun" guy? Shotgun/rifle/handgun fill different categories, and we have several handguns because I like Glocks, the Colt 1991 custom is purdy, and she likes her .357 short barrel.
Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by stcredzero on Friday May 03, 2019 @12:34PM (#19819856)
I'm a relatively new gun owner. I have 2 firearms, and by design I won't have any more for a very long time. I would have just the rifle, but it's often awkward or impossible to take classes and compete without a pistol. My entire system runs on the same caliber, and all of the magazines are interchangeable.

It used to be that almost every American household had someone who was a competent shooter, an good cook, a competent musician, a decent craftsperson or repair person of some kind. Times have changed.

From what I have seen, only having 1 gun is more common in the African American community and in some parts of rural America.

Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by pps43 on Friday May 03, 2019 @02:39PM (#19821073)
In poor neighborhoods communal guns are quite popular. They are stashed at locations that several people know about and have access to.
Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by some_random on Friday May 03, 2019 @02:57PM (#19821240)
Need is just flat out the wrong word in the context of hobbies, it's like asking how many stamps or cars a collector needs. In the context of collecting, 2-3 guns is _crazy_ low.
Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by ryanmarsh on Friday May 03, 2019 @12:36PM (#19819887)
Ask more pro-gun friends. It kind of becomes an addiction. Everyone I know has a 30 gun safe that's damn near full.
Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by kyrieeschaton on Friday May 03, 2019 @10:12PM (#19823891)
Yeah, but a full 30 gun safe only has about 10 guns in it.
Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by rspeele on Friday May 03, 2019 @01:42PM (#19820516)
Did you ask how many they had and get the answer, "oh, a few"?
Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by Simulacra on Friday May 03, 2019 @01:44PM (#19820531)
Oh no, I asked to see them.
Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by jcranmer on Friday May 03, 2019 @11:21AM (#19819193)
There is an intriguing trend in the United States where, for the past several decades, the number of gun owners has gone down but the number of guns has gone up.
Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by kyrieeschaton on Friday May 03, 2019 @10:16PM (#19823909)
That claim is solely based on survey data, and there has been a undeniable trend towards false responses as people become more discreet. It goes hand-in-hand with the move towards home manufacturing.
Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by Kephael on Saturday May 04, 2019 @03:26AM (#19824993)
I would never truthfully answer a survey asking me about firearms.
Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by sDlEzAtyoNAz on Friday May 03, 2019 @12:43PM (#19819969)
It's not really intriguing when you consider that non-hispanic whites are the most likely to own firearms, and that that group's size has been essentially stagnant for the past few decades and is currently in decline.
Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by cr0sh on Friday May 03, 2019 @01:03PM (#19820142)
Collectors and others of similar nature aside, I tend to wonder if this is going to lead to problems in the future?

I'm not anti-gun by a long shot (no pun intended), but pictures I have seen of some of these "collections" are staggering (like, enough guns and ammo to arm a small platoon of people).

In many cases they aren't displayed as a collection, but closer to a weapons cache in waiting...for what kind of situation I don't know.

Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by moduspol on Friday May 03, 2019 @02:46PM (#19821125)
I can clear up the confusion. This is the kind of situation:

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2019/04/30/violent-uprising...

Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by sDlEzAtyoNAz on Friday May 03, 2019 @03:43PM (#19821608)
Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by brightball on Friday May 03, 2019 @11:32AM (#19819299)
Do you mean the percentage of owners?

I can count on one hand the number of people I know who own a home but don't own a firearm.

Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by omegaham on Friday May 03, 2019 @12:38PM (#19819915)
It's definitely region-dependent.

I grew up in an affluent suburb of Massachusetts, where guns were really uncommon.

I got stationed in Yuma, Arizona, where pretty much everyone owned guns.

Here in a suburb of Portland, OR, it's somewhere in the middle. Oregon is an interesting state.

Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by jcranmer on Friday May 03, 2019 @11:45AM (#19819422)
I did mean the percentage, but it does look like the absolute number of households owning guns has very slightly declined.
Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by Junk_Collector on Friday May 03, 2019 @12:11PM (#19819645)
I imagine it's difficult to get good numbers on ownership though as the cross section of people who would not disclose firearm ownership to the government or polling agency would also be likely to own a firearm. This is compounded by the fact that firearms last upwards of 100 years with minimal maintenance and there are healthy secondary and black markets for them.
Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by hcurtiss on Friday May 03, 2019 @04:28PM (#19821961)
Nope. No guns at this here house. Not since the tragic boating accident of early 2019.
Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by et2o on Friday May 03, 2019 @11:41AM (#19819389)
What state do you live?
Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by brightball on Friday May 03, 2019 @01:08PM (#19820185)
South Carolina.
Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by madengr on Friday May 03, 2019 @11:47AM (#19819441)
Hell, I’m an order of magnitude higher, and am on the low end.
Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by ryanmarsh on Friday May 03, 2019 @12:35PM (#19819870)
This is not at all the case for Remington, who enjoys name brand status with long respected product lines. I got my first 870 pump shotgun at a Wal-Mart 30 years ago, as of last year Wal-Mart was still selling them. It was a great gun. I love it. The only reason people stopped buying them is quality went down as they were sucked dry by a PE firm.
Re:America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Eng... by C1sc0cat on Friday May 03, 2019 @11:50AM (#19819469)
Normally caused by producing bad products, some wacky massive change to the business model or losing a government contract.