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Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by intothemild on Monday April 08, 2019 @10:12AM (#19605346)
As an Aussie that’s moved to Norway. I was shocked that the government here in Norway did the smart thing and monopolised the whole industry. Taxes are the same here in Norway as is in Australia, but it’s such a richer country. Everyone treats the oil money with such respect. We know that it came to us, and was temporary and instead of squandering this opportunity, it was done correctly.
Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by jessriedel on Monday April 08, 2019 @10:42AM (#19605635)
> Taxes are the same here in Norway as is in Australia, but it’s such a richer country.

This is not a sensible comparison. Norway produces 313,661 barrels per day per million people, which is higher than all other countries besides Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and the UAE. Australia produces 12,010 bbl/day/millon-people, i.e., just 3.8% of Norway's per capita production.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_produ...

The extreme amount of mineral wealth that each Norwegian citizen has inherited makes Norway very difficult to compare to non-Arab countries on any issue connected to economics (i.e., basically everything).

Relatedly, the cost of living in Norway is much higher than Australia, despite Australia's extreme remoteness.

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/rankings_by_country.js...

Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by cygx on Monday April 08, 2019 @12:06PM (#19606448)
Australia produces 12,010 bbl/day/millon-people

You should not look at just oil, but natural resources in general (in case of Australia, iron, coal and gold in particular).

Norway still comes out on top, but only by a factor of ~2 (cf https://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/nor/ https://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/aus/ ).

Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by sonnyblarney on Monday April 08, 2019 @02:44PM (#19607923)
It's not the yield, but the profit.

Statoil makes huge margins on their oil because once the tricky rig was set up, it just comes out like Gold.

Most other natural resources have much thinner margins due to processing, overhead.

'Sweet Crude' i.e. the kind you get in the desert, and 'sweet once it's setup to be' i.e. Statoil ... this is a different thing together from other natural resources.

Norway is like Kuwait, it's almost impossible to compare it to anything else.

They can leave the Oil in the ground for now because they are very rich and have more money than they know what to do with.

Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by cygx on Monday April 08, 2019 @03:34PM (#19608321)
You know what also comes out like gold? Actual gold :p

As far as I'm aware, profit margins on iron aren't too shabby either, though I'd have to do some digging how this all shapes up in these specific cases (Norwegian oil vs Australian gold, iron and coal).

Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by mises on Monday April 08, 2019 @07:10PM (#19610055)
The difference is not just profit margins, but very different capex and opex. Capex on oil rigs is large (especially offshore), but opex is pretty reasonable. I would imagine iron mining has much higher opex. A better approach it may be to loot at the graphs of average fixed/variable/total cost, which are very different.
Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by jessriedel on Monday April 08, 2019 @01:05PM (#19606992)
I did, which is already reported further down in this thread, and my eyeball estimate was the Norway exceeded Australia per capita by more than a factor of 4. Happy to see more accurate numbers.
Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by cygx on Monday April 08, 2019 @01:22PM (#19607165)
Sure. We're looking for something that's equivalent to Norway's oil industry. According to the links I gave, Norway's top exports are Crude Petrolium and Petrolium Gas, in 2017 accounting for 53% of all exports at $55.8B. Assuming a population of 5.3M, this translates to $10.5k per person.

Australia's top exports are also based on natural resources, namely, Iron Ore, Coal Briquettes, Gold and Petroleum Gas, accounting for 60% of all exports at $144.6B. Assuming a population of 24.6M, this translates to $5.9k per person.

Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by jessriedel on Monday April 08, 2019 @01:48PM (#19607399)
Thanks. As discussed further down the thread, it is disingenuous to add natural resources to Australia's total but not Norway's total. (Metals and fishing are both 10% each of Norways exports.) This makes it 15.5k per person in Norway, giving a ratio of 3, halfway between the ratio I eyeballed (4) and the one you did (2).
Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by cygx on Monday April 08, 2019 @02:04PM (#19607547)
As far as I'm aware, metals and fishing do not contribute to the Government Pension Fund of Norway, which is why I did not include them on the Norwegian side and similarly only looked at the top items on the Australian side (eg adding Refined Petrolium on the Autralian side would push the balance closer to 2 again).

Point is, while Australia isn't quite as well off as Norway, there are resources aplenty to pull off something similar on a somewhat smaller scale.

Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by jessriedel on Monday April 08, 2019 @04:08PM (#19608573)
That may be your point, which is fine, but the original comment I was replying to was comparing the tax rate of Norway and Australia, and I was arguing this is not a sensible comparison in light of the much larger natural resource inheritance of Norway.
Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by paulific on Monday April 08, 2019 @06:55PM (#19609928)
I think the original comment only really mentioned taxes in passing and then the discussion went off down a rabbit hole; but a wonderful rabbit hole in which each subsequent comment added more interesting and relevant information.
Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by bzbarsky on Monday April 08, 2019 @03:06PM (#19608106)
Fishing, unless you feel that the fisheries are being overfished, is in quit a different bucket because it's a renewable resource.

Metals is an interesting case because on the one hand they are definitely a non-renewable resource. On the other hand, it seems like there's a difference between exporting ore and exporting refined metals, in terms of whether it's "just" resource extraction or not...

Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by wp381640 on Monday April 08, 2019 @10:32PM (#19611228)
you also have to look at extraction costs - Statoil is very high yield and low cost extraction which survives even the tightest OPEC squeezes.

Iron ore extraction isn't bad but it's nowhere near as profitable as Norway's oil extraction

You'd have to do that across the entire range of resources and then divide per capita - on that basis I think Norway would blow by 4x Australia just based on off-the-top of my head estimate

Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by cmurf on Monday April 08, 2019 @01:29PM (#19607216)
Add lithium to that list.
Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by jessriedel on Monday April 08, 2019 @01:53PM (#19607444)
Australia exports (perhaps much) less than $1B/year of Lithium, so that's way smaller than the rounding error of this discussion.
Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by cmurf on Monday April 08, 2019 @04:43PM (#19608824)
The quantity is not a rounding error, whereas the value is low only because the Australian government prices lithium far below its value.
Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by sundvor on Monday April 08, 2019 @05:31PM (#19609255)
Sure can't deviate from its modus operandi; it's not Norway, after all.
Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by sundvor on Monday April 08, 2019 @10:08PM (#19611088)
And by that I mean that Australia favours enriching corporate coffers over collection revenue from its natural resources so as to benefit the whole nation with a long term view.
Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by Spooky23 on Monday April 08, 2019 @12:57PM (#19606935)
I think the broader point is that by nationalizing a shared resource, Norway achieved an outcome that benefits their entire society.

They are fortunate that they are one of the few countries with functional government that could handle the oil wealth responsibly.

If you compare it to the United States, we socialize many of the risks associated with oil production, refining and transport, and let the extractors, refiners, and transporters reap the benefits.

Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by cylinder on Monday April 08, 2019 @03:24PM (#19608243)
There's no shared resource. It requires risky exploration and investment in extraction. Do you really think the 25m Australians can afford to gamble on hundreds of billions on LNG terminals? One bad investment or a big drop and the whole country is bankrupt.

Currently private sector and foreign business takes the risk. Then Australia gets a share of the profits through royalties and taxes as well as the labour income through employment of workers.

Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by simonh on Monday April 08, 2019 @04:25PM (#19608686)
>Currently private sector and foreign business takes the risk.

Australia provided mineral exploration incentives of $31m for 2018/19 at the tax payer’s expense, to mitigate that risk.

https://www.financeminister.gov.au/media-release/2018/06/26/...

Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by shawnz on Monday April 08, 2019 @04:13PM (#19608610)
> It requires risky exploration and investment in extraction.

Which represents a tiny amount of value compared to the energy stored in the oil.

Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by dalore on Monday April 08, 2019 @11:05AM (#19605827)
As another fellow Aussie emigrant (not to Norway though), I believe they were not only talking about oil resources but all the other natural resources Australia is selling.

My bet is Uranium is going to be an important one too in the future.

Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by paulmd on Monday April 08, 2019 @05:33PM (#19609266)
Uranium is actually quite common; it's cheap because it's an extremely controlled market (who are you going to sell it to?) with fairly limited demand (it doesn't take that much uranium to run a power plant or make a nuke, a cube about a meter per side can run a reactor for a year). Because it's so cheap, it's not substantially prospected so there is a good chance there are large reserves that can be exploited if we go looking for them.

And, if it comes down to it, we can pull near-unlimited quantities from seawater at $200-1000 per kg (~10x current pricing). The costs of nuclear power generation are almost entirely capital costs and insurance, the fuel costs are practically a rounding error, so this does not substantially change the costs of nuclear power generation.

https://www.newsdeeply.com/oceans/articles/2018/06/28/the-nu...

So, uranium will probably never be super valuable. Strategically important, and nice to have in a conveniently accessible form, but not economically valuable.

Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by jessriedel on Monday April 08, 2019 @11:38AM (#19606171)
Eye-balling the numbers, you'd pick up less than a factor of 5. I encourage you to look at the details and report back. You should also correct for the natural resources that Norway has the Australia lacks, like fish (almost 10% of Norway's exports inclusive of oil!).
Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by barrkel on Monday April 08, 2019 @12:11PM (#19606493)
Energy is about 50% of Norway's exports, and minerals + energy is about 60% of Australia's exports. These are extractive industries that are structurally similar.

Norway exports about $50 billion USD / year. Australia exports about $120 billion USD / year.

This is probably why the Australian is comparing the situation with Norway.

https://www.minister.industry.gov.au/ministers/frydenberg/sp...

https://www.norskpetroleum.no/en/production-and-exports/expo...

Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by jessriedel on Monday April 08, 2019 @12:19PM (#19606568)
I'm aware that comparison he's trying to draw, but the comparison has to be fair. First, most obviously, Australia has almost 5 times the population of Norway! Second, if we're going to start increasing the scope of exports we're including, to make a fair comparison we should include minerals in Norway's total (not just Australia's), and we should really include other resources that Norway has that Australia doesn't (rather than just picking a category where Australia has larger exports). What are the numbers in this case?

Again, I think this works out to a per capita endowment of that is still much, much larger for Norway, but you'd actually have to do a bit of work to check.

Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by barrkel on Monday April 08, 2019 @02:13PM (#19607632)
Compare respective sovereign wealth funds: https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2016/09/24/h...

IMO you're on a hiding to nothing trying to support your position that the comparison isn't valid. The economic export situation is structurally quite similar between Norway and Australia, and the difference in how they've handled it is vast, far greater than any multiple in population.

Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by jessriedel on Monday April 08, 2019 @03:39PM (#19608363)
Huh? No one disputes that the countries handle things differently. But if you want to say that one way of handling things is better, and the only evidence you give are better outcomes, then inputs ought to be similar. But if one country has 30 times or 3 times the input (corresponding to oil or most natural resources, respectively), then this is a very poor comparison unless you do a lot more work to correct for it.
Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by jpatokal on Monday April 08, 2019 @07:29PM (#19610183)
Here's a simple way of looking at it: Norway has converted its resources into a $1 trillion pot of funds, while Australia has, to a first approximation and over a longer time frame, zero or less (the country runs a budget deficit). So it doesn't really matter if the input is 3 or 30 times bigger if the function converting it into output is broken.
Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by the_duke on Monday April 08, 2019 @11:47AM (#19606271)
Australia doesn't have ocean access and fishing industries?
Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by jessriedel on Monday April 08, 2019 @12:11PM (#19606499)
Fish makes up just 0.13% of Australian exports

https://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/aus/

Next time, consider looking the number up yourself and reporting back rather than just asking the question and so forcing me to look up the answer for you (or else look like I'm ignoring the issue).

Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by thaumasiotes on Monday April 08, 2019 @04:15PM (#19608619)
Fish being a minor part of Australian exports is a claim with absolutely no relationship to whether or not Australia has fish. You claimed it didn't, and that is not credible.
Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by jessriedel on Monday April 08, 2019 @08:20PM (#19610475)
In context, my claim was clearly that Australia did not have access to fishing resources that had economic effects that were remotely comparable to its total exports.
Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by aplummer on Monday April 08, 2019 @11:40AM (#19606192)
To OP really between coal and LNG alone dalore is making a fair comparison.
Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by prawn on Monday April 08, 2019 @09:33PM (#19610878)
An Australian's context here is that a minerals tax was proposed to build something remotely akin to the Norwegian fund, but was killed for political reasons. The key piece of the discussion for Australians is not the tax comparison or oil comparison that you've latched onto, but of a missed opportunity.

Where the Norwegians could appreciate what the sovereign fund meant for them, the attempt in Australia was lambasted as another tax, copped serious lobbying by mining giants, etc.

Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by daemin on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @06:18AM (#19613213)
Granted it would have been nice to have a mining tax in collecting money for Australian social expenses.

However if they would introduce such a tax now then it might encourage new mining developments and let them be sped through the environmental checks faster than they are now. So there is a danger we would have many more Adani like mines popped up.

Though yet again maybe having a high enough mining tax would possible discourage such endeavours?

Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by bzbarsky on Monday April 08, 2019 @02:14PM (#19607643)
The major form of mineral production in Australia is mining, not oil.

Per http://www.worldstopexports.com/coal-exports-country/ in 2017 Australia exported $40.6 billion of coal, for a population of ~25 million. Per http://www.worldstopexports.com/iron-ore-exports-country/ it also exported $49.3 billion of iron ore. Per http://www.worldstopexports.com/gold-exports-country/ it also exported $13.1 billion of gold. Just between those three items that works out to ~$4k per person for the year.

Per http://www.worldstopexports.com/worlds-top-oil-exports-count... Norway exported $26 billion of oil, for a population of ~5 million. So about $5k per person for the year.

Now both countries do other resource-extraction stuff too. Norway's natural gas exports are almost equal to their oil exports, as far as I can tell. Australia's annual exports of natural gas seem to be in the $40-$50 billion range depending on the year you look at (it's grown a lot recently). And Australia is doing a bunch of non-iron-ore and non-gold mining too (gems come to mind).

Overall, per capita resource extraction revenue in Norway is certainly higher than in Australia, but it's not the "25x" higher than the oil numbers alone would indicate. Maybe 2x.

Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by NullPrefix on Monday April 08, 2019 @11:54AM (#19606334)
>313,661 barrels per day per million people.... Australia produces 12,010 bbl/day/millon-people

Would be way easier to understand the comparison if the notation would be the same on both numbers. I assume bbl means billions of barrels, this means Australia's number is higher by few orders.

Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by aristophenes on Monday April 08, 2019 @12:44PM (#19606814)
They are the same notation, look it up. If Australia was producing 12,010 billion barrels of oil per day per million people you'd probably be able to see that portion of the globe turn black from space, everyone in Australia would have drowned in it and an oil tsunami would be heading towards New Zealand.
Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by vijayr02 on Monday April 08, 2019 @11:56AM (#19606360)
bbl is market jargon for barrels, not billions of barrels...
Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by jessaustin on Saturday April 13, 2019 @11:26AM (#19653518)
That's goofy, most abbreviations drop letters rather than adding them.
Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by NullPrefix on Wednesday April 10, 2019 @07:12AM (#19623519)
So why not use the same for both numbers?
Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by moorhosj on Monday April 08, 2019 @04:03PM (#19608529)
Diamonds in Botswana, Copper in Chile, farmable land in the US, etc.

The point is that Norway has managed it's natural advantages to the benefit all of their citizens compared to other countries whose resources primarily enrich individual companies/owners.

Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by sundvor on Monday April 08, 2019 @05:36PM (#19609288)
For this Norwegian expat, it's extremely hard to not see Australian politicians as corrupt - and inept, prioritising the wealth of the rich over that of the nation.
Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by devoply on Monday April 08, 2019 @10:38AM (#19605602)
Canada did the opposite. Canada takes all the oil money for granted and basically has not used it to innovate anything. Instead, it's been drained by a few supposed elite that run oil companies and their cronies. The future of the oil provinces looks bleak.
Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by oilman on Monday April 08, 2019 @11:24AM (#19606026)
The attitude of those in the oil industry does not help this at all. I work in oil and talking politics to those I work with just makes me sad. There is a lot of anti-government hate. People are still resentful about the National Energy Program and that ended 30+ years ago. Its kind of a mess.

I think its the notion that all the provinces are competing against each other, and that under any oil program some provinces will win and other lose that really holds us back. No one can see that we can all win by collectively working together. It doesn't help at all that there are now moneyed corporate interested involved that are not interested in seeing any changes take place.

Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by throw0101a on Monday April 08, 2019 @02:47PM (#19607950)
> People are still resentful about the National Energy Program and that ended 30+ years ago. Its kind of a mess.

As someone from Ontario, I wouldn't even care about it being federalized as long as it was better "provincialized":

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberta_Heritage_Savings_Trust...

At the very least only payout dividends on a portion of the returns on investment from the fund:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Permanent_Fund

Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by throw0101a on Monday April 08, 2019 @11:52AM (#19606315)
> Canada did the opposite.

Not "Canada", but the province of Alberta. Norway is a 'monolithic' country, but Canada has federalism where the provinces have jurisdiction over certain areas.

And Alberta did/does have a fund, but over the decades various governments (generally Conervative) have decided not to really invest into it:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberta_Heritage_Savings_Trust...

Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by chongli on Monday April 08, 2019 @11:42AM (#19606217)
Canada's oil is very different from Norway's oil. Tarsands are extremely energy- and water-intensive to exploit. This makes it far less economical of a resource than the North Sea oil produced by Norway.

Because Norway's oil is more profitable, it can be taxed much more heavily. If you were to tax the tarsands at the same rate, it would put the companies out of business.

Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by devoply on Monday April 08, 2019 @11:46AM (#19606264)
Wasn't really what I was getting at... which is more in the lines of the oil industry is going the way of the dinosaurs we need to found some new industries with its profit in ordr to survive the next century. However, since you want to talk about it, oil companies fleece Canada as well...

"While royalty rates in Newfoundland are the highest in Canada, in Alberta they have fallen from a 40 per cent high during the 1970s to less than four per cent, and a complex system of exemptions ensures companies often pay even less."

That's insane.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/true-north/2017/oct/...

Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by vkou on Monday April 08, 2019 @12:18PM (#19606556)
What's even more amazing is that ~2% of Canada's GDP is oil, yet if you were listen to the braying of the oil companies, and their bought-and-paid-for stable of politicians, they make it sound like that number is ~25%.

We are literally bending over backwards to subsidize and prop up a rounding error in our economy.

Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by devoply on Monday April 08, 2019 @12:29PM (#19606677)
It is around 25% of Alberta's GDP. Much of the service and secondary industries that derive profits as a result of that industry and are directly affected by it. So if that industry dies, there will be far reaching effects since there is nothing to take its place. The service economy which is a much larger part would be significantly effected.
Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by vkou on Monday April 08, 2019 @12:39PM (#19606776)
And the population of Alberta is only ~12% that of Canada. It's addiction to oil is dragging the rest of the country down every time there's a drop in oil prices - as well as in our obligations to meet our carbon commitments.

Right now, 33 million people have to suffer, and pay more for energy, because one province is increasing its carbon output.

Edit: I am not a bastard, and I fully think that other provinces need to financially help Alberta disentangle itself from the tar sands. But it needs to be ready to accept this help, first.

Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by SketchySeaBeast on Monday April 08, 2019 @01:13PM (#19607080)
If you listen to the rhetoric in Alberta, many Albertan's feels they are paying more than their fair share - there's talk this election cycle about somehow renegotiating the transfer payments. It's all talk about rolling back subsidies for alternative energy, and going even more whole hog into O&G. I'm an Albertan and I don't get it, I don't get it at all. I'll be voting for what seems to be the losing party this election.
Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by robbrit on Monday April 08, 2019 @01:51PM (#19607424)
> I'll be voting for what seems to be the losing party this election.

You might be surprised. Last election we saw spots of orange and red appear in what was once always blue. Demographic change appears to be moving against the Conservatives and the oil industry.

Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by SketchySeaBeast on Monday April 08, 2019 @02:13PM (#19607635)
I'm hoping that's the case. I'm also aware that you have to say you're voting UCP in a lot of places in Alberta, or you'll be under intense social pressure. I hope I'm pleasantly surprised.
Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by shiftpgdn on Monday April 08, 2019 @01:57PM (#19607485)
I don't think that's a completely fair comparison. Oceangoing drilling is dangerous and hugely expensive. Many many lives have been lost on North Sea rigs (as well as entire rigs, costing hundreds of millions of dollars.)
Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by marvin on Monday April 08, 2019 @01:42PM (#19607334)
> Taxes are the same here in Norway as is in Australia

Is that true? Norway has a 78% tax on profits from the oil companies.

Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by Tor3 on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @04:53AM (#19612882)
I'm guessing that was about personal income taxes, which may or may not be ~similar - I haven't checked.
Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by marvin on Thursday April 11, 2019 @03:41PM (#19638362)
Okay. Comparisons of personal income tax in Norway usually come out very misleading, since personal income tax only accounts for around half of a person's total tax burden.

(For instance, there's a 14% employment tax, 25% VAT, car taxes that increase vehicle purchase cost by 100% and fuel cost by 200%, toll roads that are impossible to avoid during daily errands, 0.85% annual net worth tax, 31% capital gains tax, property taxes and municipal taxes, and that's without getting into extra taxes for luxury products or how corporate profits are taxed).

Re:Norway Is Walking Away from Billions of Barrels of Oil by cylinder on Monday April 08, 2019 @03:19PM (#19608208)
They are completely different situations, not even remotely comparable.