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Re:Man makes money from cold calls with his own higher-rate ... by xfitm3 on Saturday March 30, 2019 @06:52PM (#19532472)
If you are in the US your paper spam subsidizes the USPS.
Re:Man makes money from cold calls with his own higher-rate ... by Retric on Saturday March 30, 2019 @07:35PM (#19532668)
No, mass mail receives a significant discount. At most add to economies of scale, but with significant costs.

Look at the actual numbers, and it’s not nearly as significant as the bulk would suggest. https://about.usps.com/who-we-are/financials/revenue-pieces-...

Re:Man makes money from cold calls with his own higher-rate ... by brownbat on Saturday March 30, 2019 @07:35PM (#19532670)
That's why they killed Outbox, which could block paper spam. They later started running that service themselves (until they decide the security challenges are not worth it):

https://www.forbes.com/sites/theopriestley/2015/12/08/usps-l...

https://krebsonsecurity.com/2018/11/u-s-secret-service-warns...

Re:Man makes money from cold calls with his own higher-rate ... by slumos on Saturday March 30, 2019 @11:21PM (#19533584)
Emailing a photo of the front of an envelope, as Informed Delivery does, is very different from opening mail addressed to another person. I beleive I’m remembering correctly that when I looked into Outbox in 2014, they required a Power of Attorney!

When I signed up for Informed Delivery, I had to show id at a USPS office. Seems like fairly strong authentication when compared to any other web or mail service.

Re:Man makes money from cold calls with his own higher-rate ... by diogenescynic on Sunday March 31, 2019 @02:12AM (#19534174)
You could sign up for Informed Deliverey online with just an address. There was no verification whatsoever.
Re:Man makes money from cold calls with his own higher-rate ... by bredren on Saturday March 30, 2019 @06:57PM (#19532495)
The usps is in league with paper spammers.
Re:Man makes money from cold calls with his own higher-rate ... by dsl on Sunday March 31, 2019 @12:06AM (#19533770)
The Lumber Cartel
Re:Man makes money from cold calls with his own higher-rate ... by calvertdw on Saturday March 30, 2019 @07:02PM (#19532526)
I would gladly pay the extra tax to opt out.
Re:Man makes money from cold calls with his own higher-rate ... by MiddleEndian on Saturday March 30, 2019 @10:51PM (#19533469)
I went three or four months without checking my mail and eventually they gave up and stopped delivering my mail entirely, which was a welcome surprise. Unfortunately the 0.1% of mail that is useful forced me to rectify the issue.
Re:Man makes money from cold calls with his own higher-rate ... by JamesCoyne on Saturday March 30, 2019 @07:10PM (#19532557)
The USPS is not directly funded by taxes.
Re:Man makes money from cold calls with his own higher-rate ... by chrisseaton on Saturday March 30, 2019 @07:21PM (#19532607)
Forbes says that they're effectively funded by tax payers to the tune of $18 billion a year.

http://fortune.com/2015/03/27/us-postal-service/

Re:Man makes money from cold calls with his own higher-rate ... by spaceflunky on Saturday March 30, 2019 @07:31PM (#19532645)
That’s adding the value of supposeded benefits from congress but not actual dollars. Also congress mandates crazy shit that the usps must do so any benefits are probably wiped out by them.
Re:Man makes money from cold calls with his own higher-rate ... by chrisseaton on Saturday March 30, 2019 @07:36PM (#19532673)
I think giving someone a tax break or low-interest rate is basically the same thing as giving someone the dollars to pay that tax or interest. Calling that a 'supposed' benefit is silly.

Forbes' assessment is the effective value is $18 billion.

Re:Man makes money from cold calls with his own higher-rate ... by baddox on Saturday March 30, 2019 @10:22PM (#19533353)
Is it not the other way around? I would think that the USPS subsidizes paper spam. I find it very hard to believe that paper spamming would be even remotely economically viable at market cost.
Re:Man makes money from cold calls with his own higher-rate ... by depressed on Saturday March 30, 2019 @10:42PM (#19533423)
If you look at the mass mailing options that the USPS markets on their website, they ask you to basically buy a whole delivery route at a time.

There's no routing and sorting they have to do. The carrier just picks up a stack of letters at the start of the shift, and drops one in every mailbox.

The labor cost that the USPS has to put in for a mass mailing is a fraction of what it has to do for normal mailing.

Re:Man makes money from cold calls with his own higher-rate ... by TuringNYC on Sunday March 31, 2019 @06:27AM (#19534801)
There is another cost - the cost to society of paper garbage and dead trees. I live in a 200+ unit apartment building and recently received a mailer for hedge cutting. I promptly went to the mailroom recycling bin and threw it out, discovering about 150 identical copies thrown out by other unit residents. Obviously no one in a building needs hedge cutting — we live in apartments, not houses — but the mailer didn’t care or put much thought into even basic ad targeting. What a waste.
Re:Man makes money from cold calls with his own higher-rate ... by sjwright on Saturday March 30, 2019 @10:29PM (#19533374)
Why would USPS subsidize spam? What’s the upside to them? They have literally no incentive I can think of to do that.
Re:Man makes money from cold calls with his own higher-rate ... by T-hawk on Saturday March 30, 2019 @11:38PM (#19533661)
They subsidize it by charging a rate per piece that is less than a regular stamped mailing, but at a price level that still turns a profit.

It's market segmentation, full price service for those willing to pay it, and a cheaper option for business without enough margins to justify that.

Re:Man makes money from cold calls with his own higher-rate ... by baddox on Sunday March 31, 2019 @01:23AM (#19534046)
Let me clarify my argument. Ostensibly, the goal of the USPS is to connect all of America with flat-rate first-class mail. The USPS charges as much to send a letter across the country as it does to send it to your apartment neighbor. That means that people in cities (or really, people in routes with high density first-class mail usage) subsidize people in lower-density areas. Let’s assume that we agree that this goal is reasonable, and thus that this subsidy of low-density customers by high-density customers is reasonable.

This means that mass-mailers are being subsidized by the USPS’ implementation of this goal of nationwide first-class mail, because presumably they are paying less than the actual cost of mailing their advertisements. I suppose we could go a step further, and say that high-density customers are in fact subsidizing mass-mailers, which I think most people would agree is not a reasonable subsidy.

Re:Man makes money from cold calls with his own higher-rate ... by IshKebab on Sunday March 31, 2019 @06:30AM (#19534811)
Same in the UK with Royal Mail (which is now privatised, but it was true before that too).