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Re:Apple iPhone SE Available on Apple Store Again by o10449366 on Sunday March 24, 2019 @09:57PM (#19479816)
The one thing that Apple does well is prolonged support for their phones. I switched away from Android phones because I got sick of buying the latest flagships only to have them lose software, hardware, and security support 12-24 months after release.

The new iPhones don't appeal to me, but I'm satisfied knowing I can get a few more years out of my SE. I got my battery replaced 4 months ago after owning it for two years and its been running like new since on the latest version of iOS.

Re:Apple iPhone SE Available on Apple Store Again by taurath on Sunday March 24, 2019 @11:31PM (#19480131)
I’m not so sure anymore - I have a 3.5 year old iPhone 6s, and replaced the battery with a brand new on from the Apple store not 6 months ago - already, the new battery is worse than the old one a year into the phones life. Random shut offs at 10% and not getting through a day are regular occurances, something that didn’t happen at all the first 2 years
Re:Apple iPhone SE Available on Apple Store Again by iliketosleep on Monday March 25, 2019 @12:45AM (#19480344)
I'd say that you have a faulty battery. The iPhone 6s doesn't have the best battery life, but you should get at least one year of heavy usage before any noticeable degradation and 2 years of normal usage.
Re:Apple iPhone SE Available on Apple Store Again by switz on Monday March 25, 2019 @12:19AM (#19480278)
I'm having the same exact experience. I'm considering heading to the Apple store and asking for a fresh battery replacement.

I don't want to give up my headphone jack.

Re:Apple iPhone SE Available on Apple Store Again by thirdsun on Monday March 25, 2019 @03:09AM (#19480768)
You may be eligable for a free battery replacement - there is a known issue with some 6S batteries: https://www.apple.com/support/iphone6s-unexpectedshutdown/
Re:Apple iPhone SE Available on Apple Store Again by beamatronic on Monday March 25, 2019 @01:23AM (#19480463)
iPhone 6s Plus here - I don’t want to give up the button, Touch ID, force touch, or the headphone jack.

Edit: added force touch

Re:Apple iPhone SE Available on Apple Store Again by kakaorka on Monday March 25, 2019 @06:03AM (#19481302)
Force touch works on the latest iPhones, except for the XR
Re:Apple iPhone SE Available on Apple Store Again by o10449366 on Sunday March 24, 2019 @11:37PM (#19480158)
If that's true Apple should replace it for you. Check the battery percentage. I've anecdotally heard if it's draining unusually fast they'll replace it free of charge.
Re:Apple iPhone SE Available on Apple Store Again by chipotle_coyote on Sunday March 24, 2019 @11:54PM (#19480209)
I will add another anecdotal hearing to this, because they did in fact replace an iPhone free of charge for me a few years ago when the battery was draining too fast. (And also a MacBook Pro battery, back in the dim forgotten era when such things were user-replaceable.)
Re:Apple iPhone SE Available on Apple Store Again by taurath on Monday March 25, 2019 @01:13AM (#19480430)
They didn’t for me when the first one was having trouble - I had to use the $29 replacement offer after a lawsuit to get this one. Am not thinking a replacement will actually improve it.
Re:Apple iPhone SE Available on Apple Store Again by sigjuice on Monday March 25, 2019 @01:37AM (#19480510)
I got a free iPhone 6s battery replacement. Check your serial number here https://www.apple.com/support/iphone6s-unexpectedshutdown/
Re:Apple iPhone SE Available on Apple Store Again by abc03 on Monday March 25, 2019 @12:59AM (#19480395)
I had the same problem. The iPhone later even randomly shut off a few weeks afterwards because the battery started to curve. I went to the Apple store and got a brand new one for the cost of the reduced battery replacement. It‘s apparently a known problem for the S6 to Apple
Re:Apple iPhone SE Available on Apple Store Again by ysleepy on Sunday March 24, 2019 @11:37PM (#19480155)
Do you have the "performance management" feature disabled? (aka cpu throttling for battery issues)

A few years ago this was always-on, If you disabled it now, this would be a difference to your first battery experience.

(just a guess though, I don't have an iPhone)

Re:Apple iPhone SE Available on Apple Store Again by taurath on Monday March 25, 2019 @01:11AM (#19480424)
It turned itself on because the battery “couldn’t deliver peak power” and shut off at 12%
Re:Apple iPhone SE Available on Apple Store Again by Bud on Sunday March 24, 2019 @11:38PM (#19480162)
That sounds more like there's another hardware issue with your phone than it sounds like a systemic issue with Apple.
Re:Apple iPhone SE Available on Apple Store Again by 1123581321 on Sunday March 24, 2019 @11:34PM (#19480144)
What is the battery health percentage?
Re:Apple iPhone SE Available on Apple Store Again by taurath on Monday March 25, 2019 @01:11AM (#19480425)
91% now.
Re:Apple iPhone SE Available on Apple Store Again by se0 on Sunday March 24, 2019 @10:22PM (#19479908)
I have a Samsung S7 from march 2016 and just received the march 2019 security update. Not bad ;)
Re:Apple iPhone SE Available on Apple Store Again by kyriakos on Sunday March 24, 2019 @11:34PM (#19480146)
Oneplus 3 here from Jun 2016. Official Android 9 pie is currently in beta. For a cheaper than most big name brands they got good support.
Re:Apple iPhone SE Available on Apple Store Again by metildaa on Sunday March 24, 2019 @10:35PM (#19479951)
The Nokia 6 was released back in January 2017 and is still seeing major OS upgrades (most recently to Android 9 Pie).

I would expect a larger, much higher volume vendor like Samsung to do more than security patches for older phones considering that a smaller player like Nokia can keep up. It isn't a herculean task!

Pretty sure my next device will be a Nokia or iPhone due to the long term software support.

Re:Apple iPhone SE Available on Apple Store Again by VvR-Ox on Monday March 25, 2019 @03:01AM (#19480747)
BTW they don't refuse to bring updates to old phones because it seems like a "herculean task" but to get people to buy new phones. Welcome to our economy.

The nice thing about Apple (though I hate the fanboyism and many other things the company does) is that they managed to do what nobody else did: keeping that 5s running until today (!)

I've never seen an Android that would get updates for more than 2 years (can anyone beat this with 3?) so just using an iPhone as long as it lasts is better for environment.

Some statistics about supported software on iPhones: https://www.statista.com/chart/5824/ios-iphone-compatibility...

Guide to Greener Electronics (Greenpeace): https://secured-static.greenpeace.org/austria/Global/austria...

Re:Apple iPhone SE Available on Apple Store Again by r3bl on Monday March 25, 2019 @06:00AM (#19481289)
> I've never seen an Android that would get updates for more than 2 years (can anyone beat this with 3?)

That depends: Are you looking for updates to the new version or security updates?

Android One program gives you two years of regular updates, plus an additional year of security updates. My Nexus 5X received two major updates (from 6.0 to 8.0), but I kept using it until the security updates stopped. That's essentially three years of support.

Re:Apple iPhone SE Available on Apple Store Again by VvR-Ox on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @09:31AM (#19491592)
Ok that's a good start for the Android world... But it still won't convince me to buy another phone that is based on this OS.

My crappy old iPhone 5s is _still_ supported today - not just security patches but the OS as well. While providers like fairphone do a good job with their supply chain I'm afraid the longevity of this phone is still better for the environment.

Re:Apple iPhone SE Available on Apple Store Again by 43920 on Sunday March 24, 2019 @11:15PM (#19480085)
It's a lot easier for Nokia to do that because they use a version of Android that's basically stock. Samsung re-skins the UI and adds a bunch of features, so every time they upgrade to a new version of Android, they have to re-apply all those patches. (of course, whether they should do that is another question...)
Re:Apple iPhone SE Available on Apple Store Again by toper-centage on Sunday March 24, 2019 @11:35PM (#19480150)
That's part of the problem and why I rather not buy highly custumized versions of Android.
Re:Apple iPhone SE Available on Apple Store Again by llampx on Monday March 25, 2019 @11:54AM (#19483637)
Given how android has been developing I'm happy to have done features from OEMs that google hasn't added yet.
Re:Apple iPhone SE Available on Apple Store Again by joecool1029 on Monday March 25, 2019 @01:13AM (#19480433)
>Pretty sure my next device will be a Nokia or iPhone due to the long term software support.

Wouldn't rule out Motorola (Lenovo) as well. They are the only manufacturer selling parts for their phones directly, have models in the android one line, and offer bootloader unlock (so you could move to a custom rom once they discontinue)

Re:Apple iPhone SE Available on Apple Store Again by zurn on Monday March 25, 2019 @07:10AM (#19481531)
Motorola's software updates for their phones are quite bad, they lag when the phone is new and they stop completely way too soon.

For Android hobbyists the unlocked bootloader may be fun, but there is no low-maintainance (timely and reliable OTAs without wiping/reinstallnig, etc) OS option if you go that route.

Re:Apple iPhone SE Available on Apple Store Again by joecool1029 on Monday March 25, 2019 @12:13PM (#19483822)
Understand, I said Android One phones from them. I have a moto x4, it gets monthly security updates just like the Nokia. No skin aside from a few useful gestures.
Re:Apple iPhone SE Available on Apple Store Again by metildaa on Monday March 25, 2019 @11:29PM (#19489070)
I want more than monthly security updates, if the OEM won't stand by their product for at least a few Android version bumps, its not worth buying.

Also, watching my SO try and repair their Motorola was a nightmare. It ultimately got further damaged in the process, to the point that the phone no longer had a working screen :c

Re:Apple iPhone SE Available on Apple Store Again by opencl on Monday March 25, 2019 @04:17AM (#19480980)
I appreciate the parts availability but their long term software support is atrocious. The G5 plus for example got Oreo over a year after Oreo came out, and that is the only version update it will ever get.
Re:Apple iPhone SE Available on Apple Store Again by joecool1029 on Monday March 25, 2019 @12:14PM (#19483832)
That's why I said to buy an Android One phone from them. The X4 doesn't have this problem as it gets software updaates monthly from Google.
Re:Apple iPhone SE Available on Apple Store Again by robocat on Monday March 25, 2019 @03:31AM (#19480825)
I loved the Moto G series and bought multiple for friends and family, but now moved to the Nokia since they hardly customise it and the upgrades have been timely.
Re:Apple iPhone SE Available on Apple Store Again by votepaunchy on Sunday March 24, 2019 @10:32PM (#19479946)
This is Android P that was released 7 months ago?
Re:Apple iPhone SE Available on Apple Store Again by metildaa on Sunday March 24, 2019 @10:38PM (#19479964)
Nope, OP is talking about basic security patches, not Android version bumps. The S7 is stuck at Android 8 Oreo, and it would be a surprise if Samsung upgraded that to 8.1 or 9 (Pie).

Samsung is one of the worst vendors when it comes to Android updates, only flagship phones will see any major updates, generally for less than 2 years.

Re:Apple iPhone SE Available on Apple Store Again by nickflood on Monday March 25, 2019 @06:26AM (#19481376)
I don't intend to dispute this claim. In fact, it's still correct. And I'm biased, I've got a Samsung phone.

Still, opinion improved a bit when my S8+ got a march 2019 update which upgraded it to Android 9.0 (phone shipped with Android 7 in May 2017) and basically the same features/skin as what's just been released on the S10 lineup. Makes me hopeful that maybe they are improving their update game going forward.

Re:Apple iPhone SE Available on Apple Store Again by shard972 on Monday March 25, 2019 @05:59AM (#19481282)
I have a note 3 that pretty much doesn't work anymore as i'm stuck on android 4.
Re:Apple iPhone SE Available on Apple Store Again by skinnymuch on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @12:34PM (#19493380)
Note 3 can’t get to Android 5? I have one too. But the battery expanded and I haven’t used it in a while. But even back then it was getting pretty bad being on Android 4.
Re:Apple iPhone SE Available on Apple Store Again by captn3m0 on Monday March 25, 2019 @01:47AM (#19480545)
Same reason I switched from Android to iPhone SE last year. Regular security updates, perfect form factor and I don't have to mess with MicroG to avoid Google anymore.

Planning to buy a second one when apple decides to sunset the device.

Re:Apple iPhone SE Available on Apple Store Again by trazire on Sunday March 24, 2019 @10:03PM (#19479848)
Yea, that's one thing that I envy Apple for. I legitimately still use the iPhone 4S as my daily driver. It had software updates for around 5 years and has iOS 9. Still works as an alarm clock, a music player, and for everything else I use it for.

But it's also important to consider that lack of Android upgrades are also slightly disregardable, as API and app level updates will exist for years, and the majority of older phones support custom ROMs. I understand how that's not the ideal use case for people, just providing my own take on things.

Re:Apple iPhone SE Available on Apple Store Again by o10449366 on Sunday March 24, 2019 @10:26PM (#19479916)
I think I just have less patience for tinkering as I've gotten older (which is unfortunate in of itself, but I digress). I used to use custom ROMs on old Android phones that were no longer officially supported, but I got tired of the random and unpreventable soft bricks that would occur every few months. I overslept an important appointment because my old Nexus 5X soft bricked overnight and the alarm never went off. That phone ended up dying due to a widespread motherboard issue, one month after the hardware warranty expired.

I used to roll my eyes at my dad's frustration with his crappy old Windows desktops when I was a kid, but now I understand how he felt. I just want something that works and that I can depend on and use for basic tasks.

Re:Apple iPhone SE Available on Apple Store Again by komali2 on Monday March 25, 2019 @12:03AM (#19480237)
I was the same way and then stopped fucking with the roms when a car accident happened in front of me and I discovered dialing 911 crashed the rom I had. Testing later showed 100% crash rate on 911 calls. It was the most popular rom at the time for my version of the s5 as well...
Re:Apple iPhone SE Available on Apple Store Again by squeaky-clean on Monday March 25, 2019 @12:24AM (#19480292)
That's terrifying! I stopped tinkering with ROMs because the one I was on would crash a call 5-10 minutes in. Calls are usually short, so it didn't bug me until it crashed twice during a long call with my parents. I realized my phone had become really bad at being a phone.

I switched to iOS shortly after because when using stock all my Google apps would constantly throw warnings that I had denied location services. Even apps like Gmail would prompt me with every new send.

Re:Apple iPhone SE Available on Apple Store Again by EvangelicalPig on Monday March 25, 2019 @01:04AM (#19480405)
Re:Apple iPhone SE Available on Apple Store Again by fouc on Monday March 25, 2019 @12:50AM (#19480361)
Wow, that's a serious bug! Shame the car accident
Re:Apple iPhone SE Available on Apple Store Again by skinnymuch on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @12:43PM (#19493488)
Yeah tinkering just doesn’t feel worth it. I’d love for there to be a simple way to get custom more up to date ROMs onto older Androids. But right now it seems cumbersome still. I just want things to work too.

The issues you mentioned like the soft bricking sucks.

Re:Apple iPhone SE Available on Apple Store Again by skinnymuch on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @12:39PM (#19493438)
First off, having to do all the research and cumbersome work for the ROMs and such. I don’t like doing it. And I don’t want to spend time doing it. Especially with all the issues that can arise.

On to iPhones. I have an iPhone 4S on iOS 9 too. It’s jailbroken because the sleep button doesn’t work so I needed a work around. It’s too slow for me though. Great if you don’t want to be able to use your phone much. Otherwise the wait to load apps and the limited or weird acting ram is annoying. Nonetheless when I want to try reducing my digital “addiction” I can get by using it. My friends find it too slow to even use for more than 2 min.

On the other hand, I also had a chance to use an iPhone 5 or 5S in the summer. It was perfectly usable. Fast enough and not that old of an OS (I think iOS 10) to be useless for downloading new apps.

Re:Apple iPhone SE Available on Apple Store Again by Bud on Sunday March 24, 2019 @11:39PM (#19480165)
That leaves users wide open to the quintillions of security issues with older Android which will never be patched, though.
Re:Apple iPhone SE Available on Apple Store Again by imandride on Monday March 25, 2019 @12:20AM (#19480282)
Recently updated my nephews One Plus 3 from 2016. The software updates are even tested on the old hardware. You can also send any of their previous phones in for repair, the repair costs are listed online and actually reasonable.
Re:Apple iPhone SE Available on Apple Store Again by ryacko on Monday March 25, 2019 @02:40AM (#19480697)
Even after the security updates stop, the phone is fairly hardened. I’ll probably keep the phone and disable JavaScript on Safari.
Re:Apple iPhone SE Available on Apple Store Again by make3 on Monday March 25, 2019 @12:08PM (#19483773)
that's a funny thing to say when coming right out of a scandal where they admitted to slowing down older phones. I know they have their reasons; not having told people is still unacceptable