News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by paultopia on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @11:26AM (#19443118)
I actually bought these. Yes, it's a pile of money, wireless charging for AirPods probably isn't all that useful (though I may grab a new wireless charger for the desk where my AirPods usually sit anyway), etc.

But, reality is: AirPods are by far the most convenient way to casually do anything with apple products and headphones. Stick 'em in a pocket, and if you want to listen to music or be on a conference call, pull them out and pop them in. And my old ones are having the battery wear-out problem. And I'm in the apple ecosystem.

So I'll happily pay a premium to have new AirPods with better battery (and cleaner!). And then I don't need to feel guilty about the old ones to the gym and ruining them further with sweat. (The one thing I'm mad about is that there's nothing about sweat proofing on these.)

Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by jonawesomegreen on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @12:38PM (#19443905)
I own a pair and as well as everything you mentioned, the killer feature for me is not dropping out. Every other pair of bluetooth earbuds I've had were constantly dropping out on me when running through an airport or if I decided to pace around a room on a conference call unless I held my phone just so. I've found the range on AirPods to be fantastic. I work from home and if I want to pace around the house while I'm on a conference call, no problem. I couldn't even walk around in the same room before.
Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by Isamu on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @01:24PM (#19444466)
The range is surprising. I've walked to another part of the house and then wondered, where did I leave my phone? Because the airpods just didn't quit.
Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by macintux on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @01:33PM (#19444594)
Tangential but your comment reminded me: years ago (I hope this is no longer true) the iPhone would, when pinged via "Find my iPhone", play the alert sound to the current output.

So if my iPhone was playing music via AirPlay, the alert sound would go to, you guessed it, the AirPlay speakers. Completely pointless.

Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by Dig1t on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @01:51PM (#19444802)
They fixed it in recent years, this used to bother me as well.
Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by mohaba on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @01:49PM (#19444777)
Still true.
Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by mod on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @09:57PM (#19448685)
In a casino cardroom I once forgot to pick up my phone while I walked to a self-serve coffee station at least 30 yards away (with no walls in-between).

There was no disruption in the audio. In fact it didn't occur to me until I got back and saw my phone on the table that anything had even happened.

Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by baddox on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @03:54PM (#19446176)
I've definitely had great connectivity and range with my AirPods too (although I admittedly haven't tried many other Bluetooth headphones in several years, during which time I suspect they've all improved somewhat). The only time mine cut out is very briefly but consistently when I'm on pedestrian crossings. My theory is that it's induction loop vehicle detectors.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_loop

Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by systemspeed on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @03:06PM (#19445666)
This may have to do with the signal power put out by each AirPod. One site in particular has noted that AirPods transmit at power levels equivalent to an Apple Airport base station. I wish there were more data out there corroborating these claims, though.

https://macintoshhowto.com/hardware/extreme-emf-exposure-fro...

Note: I own AirPods and use them regularly at the gym. That is to say, I'm not afraid of my own AirPods, but acknowledge that they broadcast pretty loudly.

Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by gmac on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @06:07PM (#19447485)
I find it very hard to credit that the AirPods, which transmit a few metres powered by a really tiny battery, would put out so much more power than a phone, which may transmit hundreds of metres powered by a very much bigger battery.

That said, I own AirPods, I am surprised by how great they are, but I rarely wear them because the radiation worries me.

Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by duskwuff on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @05:59PM (#19447421)
The "field strength meter" results quoted in that article are nonsense. No units, no frequency, no notes on usage...
Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by Canada on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @12:32PM (#19443836)
Yeah, I'm wearing ear buds so much I just don't care that I'm paying a stupid amount for them. I'm going to buy the Apple ones because at this point my ears have probably changed their shape to conform to them. And I even keep an extra pairs on hand because heaven forbid I ever go without for even a minute because one broke, was lost, or ran out of battery.
Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by willyyr on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @11:55AM (#19443440)
Since you mentioned: "be on a conference call". There is nothing more annoying then a participant in a conference call (or any call) using AirPods especially when they are at a busy place. My experience is that you hear everything around them and most of the time they are hard to understand because of how the voice is picked up. I always ask them to switch back to the phone so i can understand. Not sure if the new version improves that or if it's just my experience.
Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by eeeeeeeeeeeee on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @12:32PM (#19443837)
Yep, I own AirPods and they are terrible when walking around town. Every person I talk to has commented on it. Which never happened with the regular wired ones.

I still enjoy them for music. But the battery life alone for calls is weak — I only get about 1 hour of talk time.

Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by Jerry2 on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @04:36PM (#19446568)
>walking around town

You don't want to walk around the town with earphones that isolate too much. My coworker was hit by a car as he was jogging while wearing IEMs. He couldn't hear the car horn and he was hit by a driver who couldn't stop his car in time. He didn't suffer any major injuries but he learned his lesson and now only jogs with open earphones.

Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by eeeeeeeeeeeee on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @05:59PM (#19447424)
That’s why I wear AirPods, because they don’t isolate inbound noise.

I’m talking about external background noise that the mic picks up.

Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by mod on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @10:02PM (#19448720)
I find that interesting. I often talk on my airpods while driving, and have done so in both of my cars. One has incredibly loud road noise (like I think there is a problem), and the other has no A/C and I live in the south--so, windows open.

In both cases I have received no complaints, and have even inquired about how the noise is recently. People can't hear my obnoxiously loud road noise at all, it gets canceled out.

Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by paultopia on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @01:12PM (#19444315)
This is definitely true, but it's a terrible idea to be on a conference call in a busy place anyway. It's incredibly obnoxious for everyone around one. My use case is just sitting in my relatively quiet office; without headphones the person in the next office over can hear everything, with any other headphones there are annoying wires and such.
Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by bluedino on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @12:09PM (#19443601)
Not really the Airpods fault there.
Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by zachberger on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @12:14PM (#19443654)
Sure it is, most phones have outstanding ambient noise cancellation, something that AirPods does not seem to have.
Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by sa1 on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @01:36PM (#19444625)
Ambient noise cancellation is not the same thing. Most headphones do it passively by having a closed-back design. It blocks noise from reaching your ears, not the microphone.

Active noise cancellation is not the same thing either. See https://krisp.ai/ for what you really need, and this is not something best done at the physical device level.

Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by ericd on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @02:47PM (#19445459)
Pretty sure they're referring to ambient noise cancellation using the microphones to make it so the background noise doesn't come through your microphone to the other participants while on a call.
Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by jmole on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @12:15PM (#19443666)
Airpods are much worse than Earpods for conference calling, no matter what the situation.
Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by ogre_codes on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @01:17PM (#19444365)
Maybe there are some headphones with better ambient noice cancellation, but AirPods don't seem any worse than the wired headphones I've used until this point. I just stopped doing conference calls at Starbucks or I go outside where noise cancellation works a lot better.

When I got hired for my current job I did both interviews from the parking lot of a local Starbucks for exactly this reason.

Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by allworknoplay on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @12:15PM (#19443665)
I'd argue it is -- my earbuds stick the mic right near my mouth, and I can hold it nearer if needed. Not so with airpods?
Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by eloisant on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @01:02PM (#19444191)
I have Jabra 65T earphones, they just work like you described with my MBP and Android phone. And no battery wear-out issue.

They're not much cheaper than the airpods however.

Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by Aromasin on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @01:18PM (#19444378)
I've found the call quality to be substantially better and, like you've said, have had no noticeable depreciation in battery life. I just wished they looked a bit better aesthetically. I've had a couple of people say that they thought I was wearing some sort of hearing aid...
Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by 1stcity3rdcoast on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @04:04PM (#19446263)
I have the same Jabra headphones with my iPhone X and MBP. Great product. Jabra is a calls-first company, so the talk clarity is incredible, and the Bluetooth pairing is strong enough to walk between rooms.

The very best feature, though, is that they’re much less conspicuous than AirPods. AirPods are a visual distraction.

Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by baddox on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @03:56PM (#19446198)
What would be the reason that one model of wireless earphones would have worse battery wear-out than another? Wouldn't it depend almost entirely on how many recharge cycles the battery gets? If so, then I suppose it would only depend on the battery life of the earphones (if we hold the usage rate constant).
Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by lgvln on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @01:23PM (#19444457)
It’s just a matter of time though. Li-ion batteries are typically rated for 500-1000 recharge cycles.
Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by Will_Parker on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @12:04PM (#19443541)
I accidentally put mine through a wash cycle, the buds not the charging case, and amazingly they survived! The sound was muffled for a while. Would not recommend as a solution to your cleanliness problem them.
Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by pfranz on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @01:08PM (#19444271)
Same here. I immediately threw them in a bag of rice for a day or so and had no problems when using them after.
Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by mdonahoe on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @12:06PM (#19443556)
Mine went through the wash and the case died but not the buds.
Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by sixothree on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @12:58PM (#19444137)
I spend a lot of time on conference calls and AirPods really change everything. Sometimes I will be on a call and only get pulled in once or twice. It's kind of a waste to not be doing other stuff during that time and they definitely make that easier.
Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by jaifraic on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @03:40PM (#19446032)
But isn't this a benefit of all bluetooth/wireless headsets? I don't see how it is a specific AirPod advantage.
Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by sixothree on Friday March 22, 2019 @03:31PM (#19466054)
This is correct. The advantages are solely personal preferences on features. They are shaped exactly the same as (err millimeter ish) the default supplied headset which I find comfortable. They are open to outside sound; meaning I can wear them in silent and have conversations etc. And they pair easily with my devices.
Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by leevlad on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @01:33PM (#19444591)
I've been wearing my AirPods at the gym since I bought them (~1.5 years) and haven't had a single issue. And I sweat a lot during my workouts.
Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by debug-desperado on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @07:03PM (#19447866)
I haven't had any issues after sweaty runs either. Occasionally they won't sit right in the case and won't be charged though, likely due to being upside down in the gym bag.
[dead]
Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by Rebelgecko on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @01:34PM (#19444605)
I have a hard time trusting a product if its marketing photos are just a rendering of the item photoshopped into random stock photos.
Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by JustSomeNobody on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @03:30PM (#19445923)
Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by dmerrick on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @01:47PM (#19444756)
You might be surprised how often this is the case
Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by acomjean on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @01:03PM (#19444208)
Wasn’t air bud a movie about a basketball playing dog... .. checks the webb.... Yup

https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0118570/

Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by sandworm101 on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @01:13PM (#19444335)
A couple movies.. off tpoic: I used to walk my dog at the same beach (west vancouver) as the air bud dogs. They were all over-bred show dogs. They lived short lives. I am not a fan of those movies.
Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by vuln on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @12:42PM (#19443954)
Where can I buy these?
Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by seppin on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @03:10PM (#19445703)
lol nowhere that's the point
Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by vuln on Friday March 22, 2019 @09:08AM (#19462151)
I was able to purchase a pair.
Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by asdff on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @01:50PM (#19444780)
I just can't get over the fact that people are dropping $160 ($199 now) to get the same earbuds they've been shipping with every iPhone (unless Apple took that out of the box too), but without a wire.

Does my wire get snagged and the earbud falls out? Sure it does, but that probably happens to me once every 6 months and that doesn't get me pissed off enough to hand apple $160. Airpods don't come without their costs, too. You loose that super handy control/microphone on the wire, you have one more thing to keep charged, and in 2 years when the battery shits you have to pony up $50 per ear to replace them. I still use the headphones that came with my iPhone 5, seven years later.

Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by achompas on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @02:47PM (#19445455)
"Earbuds without a wire" is a reductive characterization of the AirPods. The audio delivery mechanism leads to a bunch of quality-of-life changes:

- You don't need your device on your person. I leave my iPhone around the house somewhere and use these while cooking, or run with AirPods + Apple Watch (cellular not required, I just download podcasts or audiobooks).

- You are not tethered to a listening device. I don't worry about the cable catching on kitchen drawer handles or gym equipment (this happened to me way more often than every 6 months). I can jump from phone podcasts to a video call with a few clicks or taps, instead of changing headphones or transferring cables.

- Your call quality improves dramatically from wired headphones. Others are complaining about background noise, but wired headphones are far worse, with their microphones on their remotes (IIRC). I hated "speaking up" by holding the little remote to my mouth.

The concerns you mention are also minimal in practice. The case has excellent battery life, requiring a charge only weekly or so. If you're on a streak of calls, you can charge one AirPod at a time to stay connected. I have also used mine for over 18 months almost daily, and the battery has been fine.

Are AirPods a convenience? Yes. But there's always a market for convenience.

Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by seppin on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @03:16PM (#19445769)
> If you're on a streak of calls, you can charge one AirPod at a time to stay connected.

Does this work? Nice tip, thanks

Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by apetresc on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @03:26PM (#19445881)
Yup :)
Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by LynxInLA on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @02:15PM (#19445118)
It is still $160 for the airpods, and $200 if you want wireless charging. Tapping the Airpod, uou still have 2 controls vs. the 5 with an inline mic. You can almost say 3 controls since pulling one out of your ear acts as play/pause.

Mine were a gift, but I'll likely drop $160 on a set in the future if these crap out in a year or two.

About once a week, I used to get my wire snagged and it would sometimes yank my phone out of my pocket. Luckily it was on carpet and I had a case on it so there wasn't any damage.

More importantly, the convenience has been well worth it. Even if I'm just saving 30s a day untangling, that is worth the price to me over a few years. Throw in being able to sleep with one pod in and my phone plugged in across the room and this has might be my favorite and most used gadget of the past few years.

Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by muraiki on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @02:45PM (#19445440)
Note that even at relatively low volumes, sleeping while listening to something can cause hearing damage. There's an interaction between both the volume and the duration of sound exposure. If you're using your device to drown out other sounds, that might be too loud.
Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by LynxInLA on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @03:56PM (#19446193)
Thanks, I just use it on a timer to listen to something for 15 min as I fall asleep.
Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by jiaweihli on Thursday March 21, 2019 @04:18AM (#19450070)
Why does this happen at low volumes?
Re:AirPods with Wireless Charging Case by dzhiurgis on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @02:40PM (#19445385)
I used to replace my Apple headphones every year, these ones going to seem to last forever(except battery).

Still disappointed they haven’t added more feaures, especially as competition getting hotter...