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Re:Robot gripper looks like a wilted flower, but can lift 10... by gus_massa on Sunday March 17, 2019 @12:43AM (#19412282)
It looks somewhat similar to "Balloon filled with ground coffee makes ideal robotic gripper" http://news.cornell.edu/stories/2010/10/researchers-develop-... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86G9DLJEagw
Re:Robot gripper looks like a wilted flower, but can lift 10... by Fricken on Sunday March 17, 2019 @12:51AM (#19412305)
Here's Righthand robotics solution, which combines fingers and a sucker:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5i0dsQfPCY&feature=youtu.be

Re:Robot gripper looks like a wilted flower, but can lift 10... by NicoJuicy on Sunday March 17, 2019 @03:27AM (#19412729)
Here's one with balloons filled with coffee/sand for irregular surfaces: https://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2010-10/coffee-fil...
Re:Robot gripper looks like a wilted flower, but can lift 10... by amelius on Sunday March 17, 2019 @07:59AM (#19413540)
Why does it even need fingers? It seems they don't add much value over just the sucker.
Re:Robot gripper looks like a wilted flower, but can lift 10... by tyingq on Sunday March 17, 2019 @10:35AM (#19414201)
Their sales pitch seems to be roughly that the value is more in the machine learning software than the gripper itself. I assume having both means the software can choose how much of each (fingers/suction) to use for a particular item, after it identifies the item.

So perhaps it's supposed to work best when there's a variety of items versus a few predictable ones.

This article has some background: https://xconomy.com/boston/2017/03/28/righthand-robotics-pic...

Also, they seem to have started with fingers only, so there's probably some bias to keep them.

Re:Robot gripper looks like a wilted flower, but can lift 10... by Shorel on Monday March 18, 2019 @02:52PM (#19423941)
I think the capability of surrounding the item adds a lot of stability to the handling.

However, I also think octopuses arms are the ultimate design, and this robot will eventually evolve towards that design.

Re:Robot gripper looks like a wilted flower, but can lift 10... by nikofeyn on Sunday March 17, 2019 @11:14AM (#19414423)
while certainly cool, i have always found such robots disturbing because instead of being used to sort recycling or some other useful purpose, they are meant to actually increase the disposal of plastic and other such waste by moving product at ever increasing rates.
Re:Robot gripper looks like a wilted flower, but can lift 10... by zaroth on Saturday March 16, 2019 @11:04PM (#19411970)
This is pretty neat! I think we are so predisposed to assume that grasping and lifting things should look a certain way based on our own anatomy.

The big questions that come to mind are resilience or I guess you could call it MTBF, and also hygiene.

A human hand knows when a thing it picks up has gotten it dirty and can change a glove or go wash. This design in particular looks like it would hang on to particles from things it’s picked up (thinking like bits of broccoli, but also on the microscopic level) and be very difficult to clean with all that surface area.

I think for picking groceries you would almost have to dedicate one arm for each SKU placing items into bags that were ferried by, you could not have one arm with a bag moving between SKUs and filling that bag.

I fully expect to see lights out grocery stores in the near future, I’m a bit surprised no one has tried it yet. Maybe the last mile delivery still dominates the cost too much.

Re:Robot gripper looks like a wilted flower, but can lift 10... by IanCal on Sunday March 17, 2019 @05:19AM (#19413077)
> I fully expect to see lights out grocery stores in the near future, I’m a bit surprised no one has tried it yet.

Do you mean fully automated? I think it's the pick/place of irregular objects that's the problem.

In the UK, grocery deliveries are pretty cheap and available widely.

I actually just looked up ocado to show you a video of the human packers and found that mid last year they were running a fully automated warehouse, and then that it burned down about a month ago.

Re:Robot gripper looks like a wilted flower, but can lift 10... by ahartmetz on Sunday March 17, 2019 @06:51AM (#19413353)
> I think we are so predisposed to assume that grasping and lifting things should look a certain way based on our own anatomy.

Yeah, that is very interesting about it. Also interesting is that it is an endoskeleton with a soft outer hull that is more similar to flesh than the hard rubber cover that you sometimes seen on "traditional" robotic grippers.

One could describe this device as replacing eye-muscle and (position, pressure) sensor-muscle feedback with cleverly engineered mechanical compliance. So much for solved problems in motion planning...

Re:Robot gripper looks like a wilted flower, but can lift 10... by code_duck on Sunday March 17, 2019 @12:54AM (#19412319)
I don’t think it would be difficult to clean or change a rubber lining. It looks like it would be smooth when removed. Definitely it would need to be used carefully around difficult to remove allergens.
Re:Robot gripper looks like a wilted flower, but can lift 10... by IanCal on Sunday March 17, 2019 @05:20AM (#19413080)
If it's a balloon + paper, at scale it'd probably be cheap enough to consider regularly disposable.
Re:Robot gripper looks like a wilted flower, but can lift 10... by ndnxhs on Sunday March 17, 2019 @05:56AM (#19413188)
Which would be environmentaly disastrous
Re:Robot gripper looks like a wilted flower, but can lift 10... by pvaldes on Sunday March 17, 2019 @09:15AM (#19413839)
only if non-biodegradable
Re:Robot gripper looks like a wilted flower, but can lift 10... by amelius on Sunday March 17, 2019 @08:09AM (#19413567)
Wouldn't holding it regularly near a strong air-blower/sucker suffice?
Re:Robot gripper looks like a wilted flower, but can lift 10... by code_duck on Sunday March 17, 2019 @03:11PM (#19415801)
Contaminants like gluten would have to be removed with soap, but as another commenter suggested it’s more likely they’d be disposable.
Re:Robot gripper looks like a wilted flower, but can lift 10... by neodypsis on Saturday March 16, 2019 @11:36PM (#19412063)
Interesting point of view. Perhaps using a Teflon + antimicrobial coating for its "skin" and integrating a washing device in the robot for it to clean its gripper every now and then could work?
Re:Robot gripper looks like a wilted flower, but can lift 10... by 7952 on Sunday March 17, 2019 @09:17AM (#19413850)
Maybe make it transparent and have some UV led's inside to kill microbes. Occasionally make it grip an air blower to remove dust. And at the end of the day put it in a dishwasher!
Re:Robot gripper looks like a wilted flower, but can lift 10... by Shorel on Monday March 18, 2019 @02:54PM (#19423964)
If it has Teflon it will have a hard time not dropping stuff.

Teflon is one of the most slippery solid materials we know.

Re:Robot gripper looks like a wilted flower, but can lift 10... by swampthinker on Sunday March 17, 2019 @12:02AM (#19412154)
Takeoff tech is one of the startups working on it.

https://www.takeoff.com/

Re:Robot gripper looks like a wilted flower, but can lift 10... by neodypsis on Sunday March 17, 2019 @12:20AM (#19412217)
Just from looking at their home page video, isn't Takeoff's solution more like Kiva Systems'? Are they using robots for pick-up and packaging as well?
Re:Robot gripper looks like a wilted flower, but can lift 10... by nraynaud on Sunday March 17, 2019 @03:06AM (#19412656)
it's always the same I guess: there's the technology that pays the bills, and the shiny projects that garner press attention.

google sells advertisement for insurance companies and real estate and is in the press for phones or moonshot projects.

Re:Robot gripper looks like a wilted flower, but can lift 10... by egypturnash on Sunday March 17, 2019 @12:18AM (#19412209)
Is it just me or does this look like a real-world version of a Dalek’s plunger?
Re:Robot gripper looks like a wilted flower, but can lift 10... by benj111 on Sunday March 17, 2019 @04:49AM (#19412971)
The title kind of misses the point for me.

A piece of string can lift 100 times its own weight. The interesting thing is that it can lift a reasonable variety of different things delicately, in a reasonably simple way.

Re:Robot gripper looks like a wilted flower, but can lift 10... by userbinator on Sunday March 17, 2019 @12:30AM (#19412249)
Is it just me who thinks there something very viscerally repulsive about how it looks when it "contracts"?
Re:Robot gripper looks like a wilted flower, but can lift 10... by djpilot on Sunday March 17, 2019 @02:21AM (#19412521)
It reminds me of a certain kind of sheath. Don't want too come off as too vulgar, but latin roots reveal all:

https://www.google.com/search?q=sheath+latin

Re:Robot gripper looks like a wilted flower, but can lift 10... by xfs on Sunday March 17, 2019 @05:18AM (#19413070)
lampreys
Re:Robot gripper looks like a wilted flower, but can lift 10... by GistNoesis on Sunday March 17, 2019 @08:16AM (#19413593)
Impressive, but I'm not sure there aren't some class of objects that will give it a hard time. From The videos it seems that it needs to engulf the object and to do so the object must small enough and be well oriented. I'm not sure it will pass the remote or smartphone on the table test.
Re:Robot gripper looks like a wilted flower, but can lift 10... by edoo on Sunday March 17, 2019 @04:01AM (#19412825)
I'm going to crack up if the most effective general robot hand is a flap of rubber. One potential benefit is those handthings won't be able to fire a gun or wield a sharp weapon very well. I half joke but the robot maids are probably going to be quite hackable.
Re:Robot gripper looks like a wilted flower, but can lift 10... by amelius on Sunday March 17, 2019 @08:20AM (#19413611)
Can it grab a pebble that lies on a flat surface?

Or would the gripper get stuck to the surface?

(Not sure if the suction is used only to deform the gripper or also to attach to the object)

Re:Robot gripper looks like a wilted flower, but can lift 10... by tmaly on Monday March 18, 2019 @11:27AM (#19421856)
If I could only get one of these installed in the claw crane, I might finally be able to grab one of those elusive prizes.
Re:Robot gripper looks like a wilted flower, but can lift 10... by macawfish on Sunday March 17, 2019 @03:04AM (#19412646)
Woah! Just imagine like 5 of these all working together to grab something...
Re:Robot gripper looks like a wilted flower, but can lift 10... by rick22 on Sunday March 17, 2019 @02:43AM (#19412581)
Isn't it too costly to produce vacuum for every object pick ?
Re:Robot gripper looks like a wilted flower, but can lift 10... by macawfish on Sunday March 17, 2019 @03:04AM (#19412650)
I imagine this could work hydraulically too?