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Re:Facebook backtracks after removing Warren ads calling for... by anoncake on Monday March 11, 2019 @08:18PM (#19364212)
Because Facebook has a monopoly.
Re:Facebook backtracks after removing Warren ads calling for... by tracer4201 on Monday March 11, 2019 @08:29PM (#19364278)
What’s their monopoly on? Serious question. Too many people like using fb so we break them up? lolwut.

Is fb actively stifling competition? Is there a market failure?

Re:Facebook backtracks after removing Warren ads calling for... by ktjfi on Monday March 11, 2019 @08:34PM (#19364315)
Having a monopoly is not illegal. Using your monopoly to do things you can't do if you're not a monopoly can be illegal depending on the circumstances.
Re:Facebook backtracks after removing Warren ads calling for... by baddox on Tuesday March 12, 2019 @05:52AM (#19366609)
This is probably the biggest myth about US antitrust law. It seems to be almost universally believed, but is very clearly false. See, for instance, what happened to Alcoa.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Alcoa

Re:Facebook backtracks after removing Warren ads calling for... by int_19h on Monday March 11, 2019 @09:42PM (#19364621)
And Warren's proposal aims to change exactly that.
Re:Facebook backtracks after removing Warren ads calling for... by whyenot on Monday March 11, 2019 @10:22PM (#19364804)
> Is fb actively stifling competition? Is there a market failure?

They bought two of their competitors and copied the features of a third. None of that may meet the definition of "stifling competition," but it's a strategy that did neutralize potential competitors.

With 29% of the world's population logging in to FB at least once a month (2.23 bn "monthly active users" / 7.7 bn), and receiving algorithmically target messages from Facebook and its advertisers, there is tremendous potential for abuse.

Re:Facebook backtracks after removing Warren ads calling for... by killjoywashere on Monday March 11, 2019 @11:05PM (#19365025)
> Is fb actively stifling competition?

If they're suppressing the debate, then yes, they are. When it comes to political speech, the democratic governance process is definitely a competitor.

> Is there a market failure?

As long as Facebook is the go-to platform for political advertising and they use their position as the market to influence market positions, then yes, there is a failure. Imagine if the NYSE chairman picked the stock winners every day, not because he's a prophet, but because he literally decided, in advance, who's going to get to move shares today.

Re:Facebook backtracks after removing Warren ads calling for... by mirimir on Monday March 11, 2019 @08:46PM (#19364379)
> What’s their monopoly on? Serious question. Too many people like using fb so we break them up? lolwut.

Yes, basically. Or at least, they have a partial monopoly on social media.

> Is fb actively stifling competition?

They've been buying competitors. That's classic monopolistic behavior to stifle competition.

> Is there a market failure?

Pretty damn close. Even Google couldn't moose its way in.

Re:Facebook backtracks after removing Warren ads calling for... by wvenable on Monday March 11, 2019 @09:54PM (#19364669)
I'm pretty sure "partial monopoly" is an oxymoron.
Re:Facebook backtracks after removing Warren ads calling for... by mirimir on Monday March 11, 2019 @10:53PM (#19364943)
Re:Facebook backtracks after removing Warren ads calling for... by booleandilemma on Monday March 11, 2019 @09:19PM (#19364536)
Google doesn’t like to actively compete though. It’s always been very quick to discontinue products, shrug its shoulders, and say “nevermind”.

It would be interesting to see Google release some sort of decentralized open source social networking software connected to Google Play. Something like Android, but for social networks. I could see FB being bothered by that.

Re:Facebook backtracks after removing Warren ads calling for... by chillacy on Monday March 11, 2019 @10:27PM (#19364831)
Snapchat? TikTok? Discord? Reddit?

Facebook has a monopoly on Facebook.

Re:Facebook backtracks after removing Warren ads calling for... by mirimir on Monday March 11, 2019 @10:56PM (#19364957)
Sure, they have competitors. But there are no close equivalents with substantial market power.
Re:Facebook backtracks after removing Warren ads calling for... by as300 on Monday March 11, 2019 @09:16PM (#19364526)
Their monopoly is on discourse and dissemination of information.

I'm going to sound a bit paternalistic and anti-capitalist here, because I am. Facebook is no longer just a company, it's an institution that should definitely be regulated. It enables the rapid dissemination of societally-impactful information that may or may not be true. There was plenty of fake information on facebook around the 2016 election that influenced uneducated/uncritical/unintelligent voters' opinions of the candidates. Having content curation guidelines that are informed by non-facebook entities almost certainly is needed, imo.

Re:Facebook backtracks after removing Warren ads calling for... by nopriorarrests on Monday March 11, 2019 @09:42PM (#19364625)
> It enables the rapid dissemination of societally-impactful information that may or may not be true.

This is the exact reason why Russia blocked (or at least tried to) block Telegram, and why Facebook is banned in China.

Re:Facebook backtracks after removing Warren ads calling for... by wvenable on Monday March 11, 2019 @09:55PM (#19364680)
They own the majority means of discourse and dissemination of information? Newpapers? Television networks? Come on. That's not even close to true.
Re:Facebook backtracks after removing Warren ads calling for... by as300 on Tuesday March 12, 2019 @12:44AM (#19365471)
What percentage of the population can write for a newspaper or appear on TV?

When I say dissemination, I'm not just talking about elites. If the average Joe wanted to reach out asany people as they know and tell them something, tell me how they should do it?

Re:Facebook backtracks after removing Warren ads calling for... by as300 on Tuesday March 12, 2019 @12:47AM (#19365484)
And before someone comes and says that I want to police free speech, no. Not at all. I simply want curation which means a set of processes that are followed for certain categories of speech, and the labeling of potential speech as incorrect or untrue. I don't want to lock anybody up for posting fake news (though wouldn't mind if they were banned)
Re:Facebook backtracks after removing Warren ads calling for... by wvenable on Tuesday March 12, 2019 @12:44AM (#19365473)
You're doing a fine job right here. But Twitter seems to be a far better option than Facebook for that kind of scenario.
Re:Facebook backtracks after removing Warren ads calling for... by crottypeter on Tuesday March 12, 2019 @07:50AM (#19367238)
Average Joe has a facebook account with a network of friends. They do not have a twitter account let alone any followers (Facebook DAU: 1.5 billion; Twitter DAU: 126 million)
Re:Facebook backtracks after removing Warren ads calling for... by as300 on Tuesday March 12, 2019 @12:50AM (#19365496)
Fair point, looking at Facebook as a platform and product I think it has far greater impact than Twitter.
Re:Facebook backtracks after removing Warren ads calling for... by moate on Tuesday March 12, 2019 @09:39AM (#19367990)
Newspapers and Television networks have SUBSTANTIAL government regulation and oversight not present in Social Media. If you want to put Facebook on that level that those media types are competition, you need to accept that Facebook now gets greater FCC oversight.
Re:Facebook backtracks after removing Warren ads calling for... by will_brown on Monday March 11, 2019 @10:11PM (#19364757)
Those other things you list...newspapers, television, networks...they all have a Facebook page and distribute their content through FB.

These traditional forms of media are scrambling for likes/comments just as much as the next influencer.

Re:Facebook backtracks after removing Warren ads calling for... by wvenable on Monday March 11, 2019 @10:14PM (#19364768)
No business would fail if it didn't have a Facebook page. It's not necessary.

Now compare that with Google -- most businesses need to be listed on Google or they will lose significant amount of business. Facebook is nothing by comparison.

Being popular doesn't make something a monopoly.

Re:Facebook backtracks after removing Warren ads calling for... by will_brown on Tuesday March 12, 2019 @02:34PM (#19371464)
>Being popular doesn't make something a monopoly.

No and you don’t need to be a monopoly to violate antitrust laws and engage in anti competitive behavior.

Re:Facebook backtracks after removing Warren ads calling for... by anoncake on Monday March 11, 2019 @08:31PM (#19364289)
> Serious question.

I dont believe you. You know exactly what is Facebooks monopoly.

Re:Facebook backtracks after removing Warren ads calling for... by tracer4201 on Monday March 11, 2019 @08:33PM (#19364308)
Your argument is that you’re 100% correct and “you don’t believe” others could have a different opinion.

No offense but why are you on this forum? Do you seriously expect others to conform to your opinions?

Re:Facebook backtracks after removing Warren ads calling for... by anoncake on Monday March 11, 2019 @08:36PM (#19364325)
The arguments why Facebook is a monopoly are well-known. Feel free to disagree with them, but Im not going to waste my time explaining things to you that surely you already know.
Re:Facebook backtracks after removing Warren ads calling for... by headsoup on Monday March 11, 2019 @08:49PM (#19364395)
One example of trolling is when someone posts into a thread a 'truth' while calling others liars, then not providing any evidence of that 'truth' when asked.

So either you are trolling, or you'll be so kind as to actually post the arguments for why Facebook is a monopoly so we can ensure we're discussing under a shared context.

Re:Facebook backtracks after removing Warren ads calling for... by chillacy on Monday March 11, 2019 @10:32PM (#19364859)
That sort of attitude goes against the spirit of discussion imo. Makes for very uninteresting reading :(
Re:Facebook backtracks after removing Warren ads calling for... by Waterluvian on Monday March 11, 2019 @08:32PM (#19364294)
I'm trying to figure out what I can get at Facebook that I can't get anywhere else.
Re:Facebook backtracks after removing Warren ads calling for... by timothyduong on Monday March 11, 2019 @08:36PM (#19364326)
A mass of active 'real' users
Re:Facebook backtracks after removing Warren ads calling for... by markovbot on Monday March 11, 2019 @08:36PM (#19364322)
their users
Re:Facebook backtracks after removing Warren ads calling for... by wvenable on Monday March 11, 2019 @08:25PM (#19364251)
On what exactly?