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Re:SpaceX Crew Dragon Splashes Down After Historic Test Flight by jwr on Friday March 08, 2019 @08:21PM (#19343853)
I wonder at which point we will start worrying about the carbon footprint of these launches, though. I didn't do the math, but it seems it might become a global factor once you get to multiple launches per week.
Re:SpaceX Crew Dragon Splashes Down After Historic Test Flight by Robotbeat on Friday March 08, 2019 @08:30PM (#19343891)
Not even close. A Falcon 9 has no more fuel than a 777. A few 777s per week is inconsequential in a world where there are 100,000 flights per day. Aviation is responsible for only about 3.5% of anthropogenic emissions per year. So even multiple flights per week are just a rounding error on a rounding error.
Re:SpaceX Crew Dragon Splashes Down After Historic Test Flight by ceejayoz on Friday March 08, 2019 @08:27PM (#19343881)
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/spacex-environ... says:

> if the SpaceX’s plan for a rocket launch every two weeks comes to fruition, this amount of carbon (approximately 4,000 tonnes per year) will rapidly become a bigger problem

So, that gives us a number... and it's also very weird for the Smithsonian to describe that as a "problem". 4,000 tonnes per year is about a thousand cars worth per the EPA's numbers (https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/greenhouse-gas-emissions-t...) - pretty much a drop in the bucket.

Re:SpaceX Crew Dragon Splashes Down After Historic Test Flight by XorNot on Friday March 08, 2019 @08:37PM (#19343925)
Rockets and the rocket fuel are also in the "easy to substitute" category. They'll never not be hydrocarbons, but significant work has been done on producing rocket-compatible fuels from biological sources, and the marginal increase in cost if you scaled up to industrial production is possibly going to be entirely unnoticeable considering the general purity and refining requirements of anything you load into a spacecraft.

This, similarly, is also the answer when it comes to aviation by and large. The real problems on Earth are ground transportation and electricity.

Re:SpaceX Crew Dragon Splashes Down After Historic Test Flight by bumby on Friday March 08, 2019 @09:16PM (#19344044)
How do the biological propellants compare in terms of stability? Maybe not an issue for launches, but I'm curious about their viability in satellite thrusters that hang out for years/decades (although this is a digression from the GRG emission concern)
Re:SpaceX Crew Dragon Splashes Down After Historic Test Flight by simonh on Friday March 08, 2019 @10:30PM (#19344265)
Satellite thrusters generally use stable hypergolics, to avoid the need for an ignition system, or electric systems such as ion or Hall thrusters.
Re:SpaceX Crew Dragon Splashes Down After Historic Test Flight by avmich on Friday March 08, 2019 @11:17PM (#19344424)
Hydrogen as the only fuel was in the X-33 project, which technically had a lot of success (before finally closing).
Re:SpaceX Crew Dragon Splashes Down After Historic Test Flight by geuis on Friday March 08, 2019 @09:23PM (#19344068)
Here’s some numbers I looked up:

Average co2 from a car per year: 4.6 metric tons (https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/greenhouse-gas-emissions-t...)

co2 output from a Falcon 9 launch: 440,000kg or 440 metric tons (https://space.stackexchange.com/questions/13082/calculate-fa...)

So a single launch is about 95 cars worth of exhaust a year, give or take.

There were 21 SpaceX launches last year (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Falcon_9_and_Falcon_...)

The number of launches is expect to increase to 30-40 a year (previous source).

Let’s go with 35 launches per year. And remember we’re disregarding all other rockets launches in the world.

35 x 95 = 3325 cars worth of emissions per year.

It’s definitely not great. However it’s such a tiny drop in the bucket overall that it’s not even a rounding error. I think cows produce more methane per year. I’m on mobile at the moment so not gonna look up those numbers.

Rockets get terrible gas mileage.

Re:SpaceX Crew Dragon Splashes Down After Historic Test Flight by lutorm on Friday March 08, 2019 @08:32PM (#19343906)
World CO2 emissions last year was ~ 37Gigatons of carbon. A F9 launch uses of order 100 tons of RP1, so global emissions correspond to about 370 million launches...
Re:SpaceX Crew Dragon Splashes Down After Historic Test Flight by p1mrx on Friday March 08, 2019 @10:29PM (#19344262)
Note that 1 ton of fuel yields more than 1 ton of CO₂: https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/contentIncludes/co2_inc.htm

(Though it's still comparable in "order of magnitude" terms.)