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Re:Anker PowerPort PD 1 USB-C Wall Charger Teardown by gumby on Monday January 07, 2019 @01:47PM (#18848528)
Not sure I could call this "well made" which is a disappointment for me with regards to Anker. The HV and LV sides don't appear to be well, or even at all isolated.

I suppose the big yellow-wrapped thing is the voltage transformation stage, but the connector should feed directly into it. Looks like it is actually be a transformer rather than a switching supply, which I suppose could cut costs.

Re:Anker PowerPort PD 1 USB-C Wall Charger Teardown by tomn on Monday January 07, 2019 @02:00PM (#18848699)
It looks like there's plenty of seperation to me. Three things cross the boundary:

The main controller has an isolated primary/secondary side, so it's fine for it to bridge. According to the datasheet it's got >4kV of isolation.

The big yellow thing is a transformer, but it's switched at high frequency; this is quite common in this kind of thing. Note that the secondary wires coming out of the top are properly insulated, so this should be quite well isolated.

The class-Y capacitor is designed for exactly this purpose.

Re:Anker PowerPort PD 1 USB-C Wall Charger Teardown by Dylan16807 on Monday January 07, 2019 @02:00PM (#18848695)
http://cdn2.geekifix.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/21.jpeg If this is the isolation left to right, it seems like plenty bordering on overkill. You can't just feed wall power into the transformer in a switched power supply; the power needs to be rectified and then fed to it at tens to hundreds of kilohertz. The chip bridging the gap is designed for this task, with builtin isolation.
Re:Anker PowerPort PD 1 USB-C Wall Charger Teardown by lykr0n on Monday January 07, 2019 @01:56PM (#18848640)
http://cdn2.geekifix.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/21-1024x...

It looks like power comes in right above the FT15SM. I'm seeing great separation between the left and right side. Sure, there isn't' an air-gap, but it looks like good enough. It's compact and potted which makes it hard for either of us to get a really good idea.

Re:Anker PowerPort PD 1 USB-C Wall Charger Teardown by zaarn on Monday January 07, 2019 @01:57PM (#18848657)
It does seem like the HV and LV are seperated into the daughterboards, which would give them some seperation.

The actual seperation you need isn't that big and if you're careful you don't need to divide the PCB into two strict sections (just look at most Multimeter PCBs).

I also suspect that like 99% of power supplies, this is a transformer with a switching voltage regulator behind it since PD 2.0 requires a range of voltages to be available.

Re:Anker PowerPort PD 1 USB-C Wall Charger Teardown by londons_explore on Monday January 07, 2019 @02:07PM (#18848779)
It's been at least 15 years since a transformer was cheaper than a rectifier and flyback transformer design. Steel costs more than silicon...
Re:Anker PowerPort PD 1 USB-C Wall Charger Teardown by theamk on Monday January 07, 2019 @01:58PM (#18848661)
eh? this is not a 50Hz /60Hz transformer, for two reasons:

(1) Low-frequency transformers rated for 18 watts are way bigger than this

(2) There is a nice big picture of INN3265C ("Flyback Switcher IC")

So there is no way one could connect the connector directly to the transformer.

Re:Anker PowerPort PD 1 USB-C Wall Charger Teardown by Faaak on Monday January 07, 2019 @02:06PM (#18848759)
> I suppose the big yellow-wrapped thing is the voltage transformation stage, but the connector should feed directly into it. Looks like it is actually be a transformer rather than a switching supply, which I suppose could cut costs.

Switching power supplies can use transformers too while remaining efficient.

Re:Anker PowerPort PD 1 USB-C Wall Charger Teardown by amluto on Monday January 07, 2019 @02:00PM (#18848698)
There are no UL or similar markings on the case, and the fuse isn’t marked as a UL recognized component. I bet the US version will be somewhat different.
Re:Anker PowerPort PD 1 USB-C Wall Charger Teardown by chargerlab on Tuesday January 08, 2019 @11:29PM (#18862272)
Hi, this is Ben from ChargerLAB. I am the author of this terrible article. I promise I will do better next time.

Yes. This is Chinese version. It's "Triple C" certified instead of UL certified. The components might be different across different versions but we are not certain. The next time we will try to have a comparison between the same products aimed for differnet regions.

You can checkout the teardown of an US version 60W Anker USB-C charger from this link. http://www.chargerlab.com/archives/539.html

Re:Anker PowerPort PD 1 USB-C Wall Charger Teardown by devy on Monday January 07, 2019 @01:57PM (#18848651)
Keep in mind that what Ben torn down in the article was actually a Chinese version of the charger - the north american version could be different (though I am unsure.)
Re:Anker PowerPort PD 1 USB-C Wall Charger Teardown by gumby on Monday January 07, 2019 @03:33PM (#18849705)
Thanks to the commenters who mostly allayed my concerns.
Re:Anker PowerPort PD 1 USB-C Wall Charger Teardown by inferiorhuman on Monday January 07, 2019 @02:22PM (#18848947)
> Not sure I could call this "well made" which is a disappointment for me with regards to Anker.

Does Anker have a good reputation? I bought an Anker cigarette lighter - USB charger a couple years ago. One of the reviewers pointed out it fit poorly, took it apart, and made suggestions to Anker on how to improve the product (and got feedback from Anker). I figured it was safe to assume the improvements made it into the product. Turns out that a year later no improvement had been made and the damn thing would disconnect every time I hit a bump or looked at it funny.

From my POV Anker is 7-11 quality stuff.

Edit: I'm loving the downvotes from the brand loyalists who've nothing to contribute.

Re:Anker PowerPort PD 1 USB-C Wall Charger Teardown by foxyv on Monday January 07, 2019 @02:36PM (#18849102)
Generally my experience with Anker in the past 5 years has been solid products. Then again I don't buy their cheapest stuff and they are being compared to some truly garbage competitors. I have like 5 of their charging hubs, 3 of their batteries, and one of their car chargers and I've never had a problem with any of them.

Every time I buy non-Anker USB charging stuff I end up regretting it. Although I have had problems with their USB cables, the micro-USB ends always get loose after a year or so. But this is kind of a microUSB thing anyways.

Re:Anker PowerPort PD 1 USB-C Wall Charger Teardown by AdmiralAsshat on Monday January 07, 2019 @04:52PM (#18850553)
From my experience with power banks, Anker makes the most reliable. RAVPower and Aukey will offer similar capacity or form factor for less, but from my years of use, the Anker ones maintain quality over a long period of time much better than the other brands. The cheaper ones tend to charge more slowly or seem to lose capacity as they age. I have one in my commuter bag that's a few years old and only supports QC2, but I see no reason to upgrade it because it's in great shape and charges quickly enough for my needs.

If you're always chasing the latest hotness and need a power bank that does QC4/USB-PD right now, then Aukey and RAVPower will probably work well enough. But I've started pushing my family to get Anker (or buying for them as stocking stuffers) simply so that they all have something they can hold onto without having to worry about having to rotate out every year.

Re:Anker PowerPort PD 1 USB-C Wall Charger Teardown by kup0 on Monday January 07, 2019 @04:13PM (#18850153)
I have owned multiple cables, a 4-port wall charger, a car charger, and a bluetooth speaker, and I have not had a single issue with any of them.

In fact, the Anker car charger I got was specifically to replace a cheapo-brand one that kept disconnecting at the slightest of bumps or being aligned a certain way in the cigarette lighter port. The Anker one works consistently and does not lose connection for me at all.

I guess you could call me a "brand loyalist" but they've given me no reason not to be at this point. That's not to say I disbelieve others' experiences that aren't so great, but compared to much of their competition at their price points, their quality stands out IMHO

Re:Anker PowerPort PD 1 USB-C Wall Charger Teardown by sleepybrett on Monday January 07, 2019 @04:29PM (#18850330)
It seems like the apple ipad charger is the gold standard for usb charging (at least based on the things I've read around the internets). Anker may not reach those heights but it seems to be moderately better than the non-name ones that short and catch fire.
Re:Anker PowerPort PD 1 USB-C Wall Charger Teardown by inferiorhuman on Monday January 07, 2019 @05:54PM (#18851113)
I was looking at a teardown[1] of USB wall chargers. Surprisingly the Touchpad charger was rated quite well. I guess that Touchpad was good for something after all.

1: http://www.righto.com/2012/10/a-dozen-usb-chargers-in-lab-ap...

Re:Anker PowerPort PD 1 USB-C Wall Charger Teardown by kup0 on Tuesday January 08, 2019 @11:45AM (#18856935)
Yeah, even simple no-name usb cables can be dangerous. A friend had purchased a pack of cheap microUSB cables on eBay, and was charging his phone in my car with one of them.

The cable itself started getting uncomfortably warm to the touch. Glad we noticed before things got worse.

Re:Anker PowerPort PD 1 USB-C Wall Charger Teardown by AquaLineSpirit on Monday January 07, 2019 @02:37PM (#18849117)
There are two different sizes of cigarette lighter sockets, maybe that's why it fit badly?
Re:Anker PowerPort PD 1 USB-C Wall Charger Teardown by jefftk on Monday January 07, 2019 @03:11PM (#18849478)
Specifically:

* Size A: inside diameter ~21.0mm (mainly American cars)

* Size B: inside diameter ~21.5mm (mainly European cars)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cigarette_lighter_receptacle

Re:Anker PowerPort PD 1 USB-C Wall Charger Teardown by inferiorhuman on Monday January 07, 2019 @03:05PM (#18849405)
Huh it looks like European cars often use larger sockets (learn something new every day). Meanwhile I found the original review that stuck with me. By design the charger uses a center spring that's too strong and forces it out of the socket a little bit.

There are a variety of other critiques (e.g. came apart in the receptacle and "All of this could have been avoided if Anker would have angled the leading edge of the side electrical connections more.", "The catches on the side of the charger won't release like the traditional spring ones do.", lack of fuse) as well.

Re:Anker PowerPort PD 1 USB-C Wall Charger Teardown by kazen44 on Monday January 07, 2019 @02:31PM (#18849048)
maybe you got "old" stock? it's not uncommon for products like this to sit in a warehouse for over a year.

Anker has been fine in terms of quality in my opinion, never had an issue with any of their products. Although i must say there are better on the market. especially in terms of powerbanks.

Re:Anker PowerPort PD 1 USB-C Wall Charger Teardown by inferiorhuman on Monday January 07, 2019 @02:42PM (#18849178)
> maybe you got "old" stock? it's not uncommon for products like this to sit in a warehouse for over a year.

Potentially, but I'd hope that Anker would exercise a bit more control over their Amazon inventory. From the looks of it there are still plenty of (premature failure, fire) complaints in addition to the no return policy. It screams fly by night to me, but it's interesting to see they've a better reputation with other products.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00VH84L5E

Here's the review (about eighteen months before I bought mine): https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R4F5INKA6PO2I/

Re:Anker PowerPort PD 1 USB-C Wall Charger Teardown by kazen44 on Monday January 07, 2019 @05:03PM (#18850647)
what about a no return policy?

I was able to return anker products just fine. (i might add im not in the US though)

Re:Anker PowerPort PD 1 USB-C Wall Charger Teardown by inferiorhuman on Friday January 11, 2019 @06:36PM (#18888269)
What about it? This may have changed but when I bought the damn thing Anker clearly stated they wouldn't take returns.