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Re:The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR by throw0u1t on Sunday January 06, 2019 @07:24PM (#18841719)
But I don't want an iPhone 7 or an 8. And it makes no sense that Apple sell both the 7 and the 8.

Apple should make a phone like the SE which is made for the low-mid market, not just discount its old models.

Re:The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR by lostlogin on Sunday January 06, 2019 @07:27PM (#18841737)
I’d take a high spec small phone. This is apparently an unusual thing to want.
Re:The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR by princeb on Sunday January 06, 2019 @07:42PM (#18841821)
i'd happily pay up to $1200 for a high spec 4" phone.

i'm on an SE. i got this phone fairly late into its life cycle and it was a deliberate choice. my biggest regret is probably not getting a second one before they discontinued it because when my current SE fails i have no idea where to get a replacement.

Re:The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR by jlmorton on Sunday January 06, 2019 @07:59PM (#18841899)
I'm shocked Apple doesn't fill this market. Many of my friends prefer SE-sized phones. I have friends who aren't upgrading from the SE specifically because they can't get a comparably-sized phone.

I bought my wife the XS, not because it has a fancier display, but purely because it was the smallest model available - and it's still too big for her.

Re:The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR by ltc5505 on Sunday January 06, 2019 @07:53PM (#18841867)
Look on eBay; there are a lot of SE's available for a good price. It's a great time to buy one and save it for when you need it. At some point the supply will get low enough that the price for a new one will noticeably increase, but we aren't at that point yet.
Re:The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR by Xcelerate on Sunday January 06, 2019 @11:55PM (#18842871)
Same. Refusing to upgrade my SE because it's the perfect size. I had a coworker ask, "What is that thing?" which is humorous to say the least.
Re:The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR by addicted on Monday January 07, 2019 @04:44AM (#18843973)
I haven’t understood why Apple doesn’t simply do this. They know from the laptop market that people are more than willing to pay different prices for different t sizes.

Instead of differentiating their phones based on features, they should simply differentiate them based on screen size. That would allow them to meet several price points without making their customers feel like they’re cheap.

Re:The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR by raydev on Monday January 07, 2019 @11:25AM (#18846519)
I think it's highly likely we'll see the SE return (or it's spritual successor).

Remember, the SE was released outside of the usual iPhone release cycle in March 2016, so I think intent for a longer cycle was clear.

Lots of people predicted between 2 and 3 years before the SE got an update, so if March 2019 passes without an announcement, then who knows what's next.

Also, I think there's a high probability they're trying to work out the kinks in an SE-sized phone that is all screen. I'd be surprised if they released the SE2 and it has a home button.

Re:The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR by Animats on Monday January 07, 2019 @03:24AM (#18843657)
Phone screens had to get bigger to accommodate ads. With small screens, the content takes up all the space and there's no extra room for ads.
Re:The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR by mrweasel on Monday January 07, 2019 @02:35AM (#18843454)
I would argue that the iPhone 8 should not exist, but neither should the most recent iPhones. Apple seems to be locked in a system of releasing a new phone(s) every year, but they can't actually deliver something that justifies a new model. This isn't a problem exclusive to Apple, it's just very clear with their product line up.

With the solve down in new features and design Apple could have skipped the iPhone 8, XS and XR. Except of cause "the market" and their stockholders expects new phones, regardless of the need.

Re:The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR by systoll on Monday January 07, 2019 @03:00AM (#18843558)
The SE wasn’t made for the low-mid market.

It was a miniaturised iPhone 6s released while the 6s was ‘current’, and got to ‘low-mid market’ pricing by being discounted as it got older.

Re:The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR by woodson on Monday January 07, 2019 @03:17AM (#18843642)
That’s not quite true. When it came out, a 6s was about $649 and an SE was $399.
Re:The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR by paulcole on Sunday January 06, 2019 @07:28PM (#18841742)
I think The Rolling Stones put it best...
Re:The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR by code_duck on Sunday January 06, 2019 @07:31PM (#18841768)
Why? What’s wrong with an iPhone 7 or 8? Why would you prefer an SE-like model?
Re:The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR by untog on Sunday January 06, 2019 @07:56PM (#18841885)
The obvious answer is size. It's not that I can't carry an iPhone 7 in my hands or anything, but I just have no use for the bigger screen, so the extra bulk is literally useless. I still feel like the iPhone SE is the perfect phone form factor, and it's sad that there are basically no options for those of us who want one.
Re:The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR by 2muchcoffeeman on Monday January 07, 2019 @01:38AM (#18843267)
I’d want the XR type screen though (I’ve seen the OLES, didn’t care).

SE size, just go edge to edge.

Re:The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR by oneeyedpigeon on Monday January 07, 2019 @08:18AM (#18844853)
Imagine SE screen size, but edge-to-edge. That thing would be gorgeous — it would almost be as small as the phones we used to have back before smartphones, when anything bigger than about 4" was derided as a 'brick'.
Re:The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR by tazjin on Monday January 07, 2019 @05:00AM (#18844025)
For me, it's the size and headphone jack. Android vs. iOS doesn't matter much, but Apple was the only company still offering a phone that fits my two criteria.

Now I have 3 SEs (one with a broken screen that I'll get fixed, one currently in use, one still in the box) that will hopefully last me a while - maybe the phone market returns to sensible sizes & features in a few years.

Re:The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR by throw0u1t on Sunday January 06, 2019 @07:39PM (#18841799)
I don't want a 7 because it comes in either 32GB or 256GB, no 64GB or 128GB.

I don't want an 8 because I don't want a phone with a glass back.

iPhone SE was perfect. Metal all round, small, affordable, powerful.

Re:The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR by hopler on Sunday January 06, 2019 @07:55PM (#18841883)
That's not a problem with the 7 per se, that's a problem with Apple's exploitative pricing strategy blocking a trivial engineering/marketing option.

The glass back thing is a matter of taste, sure, but caring what material is inside the case is a bit silly.

Re:The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR by josteink on Monday January 07, 2019 @12:57AM (#18843109)
> The glass back thing is a matter of taste, sure, but caring what material is inside the case is a bit silly.

What is this “case” you’re talking about?

Kind regards SE-owner

Re:The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR by throw0u1t on Sunday January 06, 2019 @07:59PM (#18841901)
That may be so, but the fact is that I can't buy a new 64GB iPhone 7.

The trouble with a glass back is that it can still shatter when dropped even if it has a case on it.

Re:The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR by donarb on Sunday January 06, 2019 @11:43PM (#18842809)
Don’t drop it then.

I’m not being funny. I treat every phone I’ve ever owned as the expensive devices they are. I buy a protective case, don’t put it in my back pocket where it can be bent or broken. I don’t use it while standing over the toilet so it can’t be dropped in. When I drink with friends, I don’t lay my phone on the bar where some drunk can spill beer on it.

It’s more than being able to have the use of a fully functioning device, at trade-in time my phone is worth more because I take of it.

Re:The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR by throw0u1t on Monday January 07, 2019 @02:51AM (#18843531)
I treat my phones the same, and I thought "I'll never drop this", until you do.

Both times I've dropped the phone getting in or out of the car. First time it landed face first on the garage floor and shattered the screen and the second time it landed on its side and just scratched the case a little.

Hard to know what will happen when you drop your phone.

Re:The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR by oneeyedpigeon on Monday January 07, 2019 @08:28AM (#18844892)
> Hard to know what will happen when you drop your phone.

I find this is the real problem. I've had phones that I've dropped many, many times, onto hard surfaces, that have come away without a scratch. Then I dropped a Nokia 3 and the screen just flew apart.

Re:The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR by code_duck on Monday January 07, 2019 @09:42AM (#18845442)
Spill all the beer you want - phones these days are mostly waterproof.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207043

Re:The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR by yjftsjthsd-h on Monday January 07, 2019 @09:11AM (#18845187)
It must be nice to never make mistakes or have accidents happen.
Re:The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR by amyjess on Monday January 07, 2019 @11:12AM (#18846351)
I have a motor control disability.

I can't not drop things.

Re:The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR by sueders101 on Sunday January 06, 2019 @07:41PM (#18841814)
The iPhone 6 and beyond are too big for my tastes. I reluctantly upgraded to an iPhone 7 after destroying my SE. Even after owning the 7 for over a year, I find it uncomfortably large at times.
Re:The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR by tjr225 on Monday January 07, 2019 @01:47AM (#18843296)
I really like the size of the SE - however I find the 6/7/8 to be a pretty great size too. I don't know how big the newer ones are in comparison.
Re:The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR by tazjin on Monday January 07, 2019 @05:02AM (#18844032)
Phone Arena has a good page for phone size comparisons: https://www.phonearena.com/phones/size#/phones/size/Apple-iP...
Re:The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR by stochastic_monk on Sunday January 06, 2019 @07:53PM (#18841870)
I’ve had an SE for almost 3 years and would prefer a similarly sized and priced model for my next phone. I don’t want a giant phone or to pay $1000 for it.
Re:The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR by SllX on Sunday January 06, 2019 @07:41PM (#18841810)
Some people like smaller phones. It’s not that hard to understand.
Re:The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR by code_duck on Monday January 07, 2019 @03:07AM (#18843591)
Yes, but first one has to know that that this difference exists. Then, there may be other differences that are considered more important by a specific individual. That’s why I asked.

It is not my first time hearing that some individuals may prefer a smaller phone, and you’re correct. I don’t find that difficult to understand.

Re:The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR by einr on Monday January 07, 2019 @02:03AM (#18843348)
Two words:

Headphone jack

Re:The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR by pxeboot on Sunday January 06, 2019 @07:43PM (#18841824)
What’s wrong with an iPhone 7 or 8?

Unfortunately even last years models do not support LTE band 71, so they are a poor choice for T-Mobile US customers. No dual SIM support is another reason for many.