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Re:How Did Our Medical Notes Become So Useless? by sxg on Friday January 04, 2019 @04:14PM (#18827687)
It absolutely 100% is at least the doctor’s job to know this. If you come back with depression again, the doctor needs to know what medications were used last time to treat you this time. They need to know if you had allergic reactions, no response, or other details regarding your medication history. The doctor may also be able to use a history of depression as a supporting factor for a new diagnosis. Your history of depression may be the thing that tips your doctor toward getting an MRI of the brain to rule out a brain tumor, for example.
Re:How Did Our Medical Notes Become So Useless? by mikecsh on Friday January 04, 2019 @04:41PM (#18827915)
I agree with this completely; not being able to understand a patient's medical history often makes it much harder to treat them effectively. Especially in an emergency setting.

That said concerns about the sensitivity of information are absolutely valid and should be at the forefront of EMR systems.

In my experience (UK) access to records is reasonably well restricted to relevant staff. Access is audited in efforts to identify unauthorised access and this is taken extremely seriously; for example opening records for patients not under your direct care with no valid reason.

Further, for particularly sensitive information such as some psychiatric histories, or medical photography of sensitive areas, this is kept behind a secure area within the EMR systems, not generally accessible. Opening it requires signing a declaration that you have either discussed it with the patient and gained consent, or that you do not have consent and you are opening it in the patients best interests in an emergent situation as they are unable to consent (e.g. history of depression with paracetamol (acetaminophen) overdose brought in unconscious by ambulance.

Re:How Did Our Medical Notes Become So Useless? by limeblack on Friday January 04, 2019 @04:57PM (#18828058)
I have friends disqualified from legitimate jobs after taking Psych drugs from decades ago. Somehow I think there needs to be a line. Doctors have known the way around the system for quite a while.[0]

EDIT: left original link tried to clarify.

[0]: "I drive 300 miles to seek care and always pay in cash." http://www.idealmedicalcare.org/75-med-students-antidepressa...

Re:How Did Our Medical Notes Become So Useless? by biotech on Friday January 04, 2019 @05:05PM (#18828125)
This is a serious issue: doctors have a huge disincentive to receive psychiatric care in the US.

It is also completely off-topic.

Re:How Did Our Medical Notes Become So Useless? by dublin on Saturday January 05, 2019 @01:01AM (#18830221)
Anyone who would ever consent to psychiatric care or treatment of any kind (especially pharma) should have their head examined! ;-) Seriously, the risks of seeking such care far outweigh the potential benefits in virtually every circumstance. NEVER forget that your EMR is forever - it will outlive you, and could well become a curse upon all your progeny.
Re:How Did Our Medical Notes Become So Useless? by katbyte on Friday January 04, 2019 @04:32PM (#18827829)
I dissagree. If I have some sensitive medical history and I go in for stitches or some other minor thing with an random doctor I might not want to share all my medical history. It’s my history and I should have the right to control who sees it.
Re:How Did Our Medical Notes Become So Useless? by ambicapter on Friday January 04, 2019 @04:42PM (#18827919)
You are not a medical professional and the list of medical procedures or remedies that interact poorly with each other is long and full of unexpected things.
Re:How Did Our Medical Notes Become So Useless? by fao_ on Friday January 04, 2019 @11:23PM (#18829902)
While this is true, knowledge of other treatments can in a number of cases actually harm the patient as well through malpractice.

See: https://journals.tdl.org/jrwg/index.php/jrwg/article/view/97

https://www.dailydot.com/irl/trans-broken-arm-syndrome-healt...

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/07/09/feature-the-dangers-of...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-lgbt-health/briti...

Sure this is a minority, but it still harms people.

Re:How Did Our Medical Notes Become So Useless? by drb91 on Friday January 04, 2019 @04:47PM (#18827959)
Your profession should not dictate your rights to your data.
Re:How Did Our Medical Notes Become So Useless? by ambicapter on Friday January 04, 2019 @05:03PM (#18828106)
No one is stopping you from accessing your data. The question is to whether you should be able to stop your doctor (or your emergency doctor) from accessing your medical data. Sounds like a bad idea.
Re:How Did Our Medical Notes Become So Useless? by int_19h on Friday January 04, 2019 @09:07PM (#18829441)
It might well be, but shouldn't it be up to you to decide that? It's your private data.
Re:How Did Our Medical Notes Become So Useless? by freedomben on Friday January 04, 2019 @09:43PM (#18829567)
Agreed. It's your private data and it's also your body! If you end up getting worse treatment due to not sharing data, it's on you. As an adult and the owner of my body, that's my right to decide for myself.
Re:How Did Our Medical Notes Become So Useless? by yomly on Friday January 04, 2019 @10:42PM (#18829763)
Quite surprised to see such strong opinions on this issue - I can obviously sympathise with a desire to privacy but personally hold faith in doctor confidentiality.

More pressingly - how can a doctor provide the best care in the absence of records?

Imagine trying to ship a bugfix for a complex system where you don't have the source code and the business owner is refusing to give you the documentation but will sue you and ruin your career if you make a mistake.

I'd probably refuse to see the patient given how much pressure doctors are under to not make a mistake.

What happens if you got a nasty gash and wanted the wound treated and the doctor wanted to issue antibiotics as a precaution but you had a penicillin allergy (which you either forgot to disclose or simply didn't know about but were tested for at some stage in your childhood)

Re:How Did Our Medical Notes Become So Useless? by int_19h on Saturday January 05, 2019 @01:33AM (#18830337)
Whether you should or shouldn't share that information with your doctor is a different question, and is the one where trust etc is relevant. The point here is that the choice to share or not share should be the patient's, regardless. If doctors want to turn down patients that wouldn't share something, that's up to them, of course.
Re:How Did Our Medical Notes Become So Useless? by leetcrew on Saturday January 05, 2019 @07:47PM (#18835513)
> Quite surprised to see such strong opinions on this issue

you shouldn't be. to a certain group of people, it is particularly loathsome to be prohibited from doing things that can only hurt the person doing them. this is basically how we treat children.

a patient should be allowed to limit access to their medical records for pretty much any reason. an individual doctor should also be allowed to refuse to treat a patient who is unwilling to disclose part or all of their medical records; they may have valid liability concerns. but revealing your records should not be a precondition to accessing the entire field of medicine. what part of this do you have a problem with? you still get to deal with your doctors however you want.

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Re:How Did Our Medical Notes Become So Useless? by dang on Saturday January 05, 2019 @04:51AM (#18830804)
Please don't post in the flamewar style to Hacker News. We're trying for something better than that here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:How Did Our Medical Notes Become So Useless? by Spooky23 on Friday January 04, 2019 @11:46PM (#18829954)
The real question that matters most in the ER is “What is your date of birth?”
Re:How Did Our Medical Notes Become So Useless? by leetcrew on Saturday January 05, 2019 @07:39PM (#18835469)
just because something is a bad idea doesn't mean you shouldn't be allowed to do it.
Re:How Did Our Medical Notes Become So Useless? by davidw on Friday January 04, 2019 @04:40PM (#18827909)
I'd rather opt out of a few sensitive things than not have an ER doctor in another state not have easy access to critical information about me.
Re:How Did Our Medical Notes Become So Useless? by xfitm3 on Friday January 04, 2019 @09:06PM (#18829431)
I'm ok with my doctor knowing my complete history, but I do not want my insurance company or any third party to have access to these records.
Re:How Did Our Medical Notes Become So Useless? by Gibbon1 on Friday January 04, 2019 @06:10PM (#18828633)
A huge problem for people with a mental health dx in their history is doctors reflexivity dismiss complaints as a 'mental issue'.
Re:How Did Our Medical Notes Become So Useless? by bobowzki on Friday January 04, 2019 @06:05PM (#18828587)
As an MD, thank you for this comment.
Re:How Did Our Medical Notes Become So Useless? by Gibbon1 on Friday January 04, 2019 @06:14PM (#18828657)
Beware, people with mental illness also suffer from ordinary ailments.
Re:How Did Our Medical Notes Become So Useless? by bobowzki on Saturday January 05, 2019 @04:26AM (#18830731)
Obviously. I'm not a psychiatrist :-)