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Re:Letter from Tim Cook to Apple Investors by mlindner on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @07:40PM (#18811815)
There isn't a "root issue". People have gone over this ad infinitum. The "root issue" is iPhone batteries like most cell phone batteries do not last more than several hundred recharge cycles and especially when under high load the power will be insufficient to maintain full phone performance without the phone suddenly shutting off. On Android your phone simply shuts off on high load on old batteries. Apple gracefully fails rather than hard crashes. This is a good thing, not a bad thing. Apple gave out free upgrades because people perceived it as if Apple had done something wrong so out of good will they gave free upgrades. Current phones will do the exact same thing given time.
Re:Letter from Tim Cook to Apple Investors by pantalaimon on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @09:24PM (#18812309)
Do you remember when when phones had replaceable batteries? If you noticed your battery would not last as long as it used to, you could just buy a new one and change it yourself, no tools or action by the manufacturer required.
Re:Letter from Tim Cook to Apple Investors by pjmlp on Thursday January 03, 2019 @01:51AM (#18813375)
Plenty of Android phones still do it.
Re:Letter from Tim Cook to Apple Investors by kornholi on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @08:26PM (#18812036)
Yeah, not sure why this is such a hard concept for some people. I just replaced my two year old Pixel's battery as it started crashing at around 35% (as high as 50% with the camera on) and I'm not a heavy user at all.
Re:Letter from Tim Cook to Apple Investors by blackoil on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @09:37PM (#18812365)
Nobody is asking Apple to defy chemistry. Problem is iPhone bidding the fact. When your phone crashed at 35% and started working fine on charging you knew it was a battery problem because that's how all phones and batteries had been behaving since 3310.

Now someone at Apple thought instead of shutting the phone why not slow it down so that user can still make that urgent call. That's brilliant and all phones should emulate it. Apple's bad is the did it silently so user didn't know it was a battery problem, the blamed os updates, hardware, weather but not the battery, because degraded batteries never slowed down any phone including iPhone till now. So instead of getting battery replaced they bought a new phone which as a 'side-effect' was beneficial for Apple.

Now once people figured it out they were outraged, so as a PR measure Apple gave discounted battery replacement and once people did that phone was good enough again so delayed new phone purchase. Now as karma striking, all this news and discounted battery may have nudged users who otherwise chuck their phone every two years to get the battery replaced and the fact new device is costing 1000 fucking usd, some delayed for another year.

Re:Letter from Tim Cook to Apple Investors by shaklee3 on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @07:58PM (#18811904)
You'll need to cite cite evidence for the Android claim.
Re:Letter from Tim Cook to Apple Investors by jlmorton on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @08:01PM (#18811919)
> On Android your phone simply shuts off on high load on old batteries

Except, no, it doesn't.

Re:Letter from Tim Cook to Apple Investors by Spivak on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @11:11PM (#18812764)
Anecdata: Happened to me with my last two phones, Nexus 6P and Pixel XL.

Unethical LPT: Always buy the extended 'protection plan' since this problem happens so reliably around the two year mark. Call complaining that your phone crashes when it's low on battery and get a new phone for like $100. Cheapest way to get 4-5 years out of a single phone purchase.

And since it's been two years since you bought the device they'll almost always give you a better phone as a replacement.

Re:Letter from Tim Cook to Apple Investors by 05 on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @11:45PM (#18812887)
In Apple land all you’re getting is a battery replacement. Definitely no upgrades either. Not worth $100, as aftermarket battery replacements are cheaper, and you’re out of warranty anyway..
Re:Letter from Tim Cook to Apple Investors by detaro on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @08:28PM (#18812041)
Yes, it can happen. Had phones that did that reliably.
Re:Letter from Tim Cook to Apple Investors by culot on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @08:40PM (#18812102)
Usually a sudden reboot rather than a shutdown. It happens.
Re:Letter from Tim Cook to Apple Investors by gibolt on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @08:24PM (#18812030)
I have 10+ old phones from various manufacturers with various battery qualities. None have issues when used as a daily