It is still illegal at the federal level. There is nothing that stops the federal US government from throwing someone in jail for growing / transporting / using / processing payment for marijuana.

I cannot think of anything else that is illegal at the federal but legal at the state level, and has weird hand wavy aspects in front of it.

I always wondered about that. Has there been any chatter about someone trying to get a federal court to nullify the law? I have no idea how that can work.

The US has signed up to a treaty that requires us to treat marijuana as an illegal controlled substance. That requires an explicit act of Congress to abrogate, and no court is going to find otherwise.

It probably should, but you may be wrong about the weight of legal opinion: https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/donald-trump-can-unila...

In any case, the relevant treaty is not self-executing, and there is no mechanism to force Congress to criminalize drugs if it chooses not to even without explicitly abrogating (or even the President unilaterally disavowing) the treaty. Foreign countries could try to bring a case against the US before the ICJ, but even if successful, that wouldn't actually force changes to domestic law.

This was the first result for both “drugs treaty” and “Narcotics treaty”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacy_Clause

Problem is, ever since Wickard v. Filburn decision, all that the federal government needs to do is to add "... in interstate commerce" in the text of the law, and it is magically constitutional. The words themselves have practically no meaning - in Wickard, the Supreme Court ruled that a person growing food for personal consumption is still "participating in interstate commerce", on the basis that they'd have to buy that food otherwise, and therefore affect market prices on it.

But the commenter is right about it being illegal at the federal level... and as a Schedule I drug on par with Heroine no less but more dangerous than Hydromorphone (HA!).

The Federal government can technically roll up and enforce the laws federally at any location they please but they don't have the budget or manpower for it. Unfunded mandates can't be enforced upon the lower levels of enforcement and they depend upon them for cooperation. They could technically have thrown the bulk of their enforcement budget into an early adopter but that would be playing whack-a-mole as others could crop up and openly defy them while they are busy there - all while 49 other states are complaining about there being way better uses of their resources than replacing every vice squad in California.

The federal government caused the problem in the first place in their adamant refusal to acknowledge reality with Schedule 1 classification - not just in assigning it to marijuana which trivially has medical uses but in that the very category is a tautology. We don't know if something has medicinal use until we try it in every application. For all we know even something horrific like krododil may be very good chemotherapy for treating specific kinds of tumors. Weaning off of heroin may well be the best approach to beating addiction - it is already accepted for nicotine in general practice! The specifics don't matter so much as the general point that Schedule 1's very existence is an outright tautology and illogical dogma.

They could have avoided the massive backlash and much of legalization movement's momentum being a serious thing by making Marijuana schedule 2. This isn't even something radical, not even decades ago - you have been able to find cocaine in ENT applications throughout the country perfectly legally given that there really is no better substance despite the known downsides.

The whole thing is fundamentally a failure state on the law. It is technically a solution in that it prevents enforcement of bad laws but it really highlights the systemic dysfunction and creates greater inconsistency. It is a matter of debate if being able to have this is a good thing or not.

I can think of one similar issue as well however that is even lower. The Sanctuary City "issue" (an emergent solution that some don't like) is a similar disconnect of high-level dogma colliding with and failing to respond to low-level reality - any significant urban police force knows they would have to be extremely stupid to have a zero-tolerance deportation policy when they depend upon the population for witnesses and crime reporting. It is beyond a matter of even demagogic politics locally while many above consider its state unacceptable.

TL;DR version - the law refused to bend so it broke instead.

Schedule 1 substance research has long had far more 'propaganda machine' orientation than science orientation however with the agenda transparently reflected in studies.

All of the giving spiders drugs studies to look at their webs while it may have some slight neurological value ignored the bleeding obvious with some examples like the 'caffeine' webs.

http://www.learning-mind.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/spid...

Of course those webs looked sparse, caffeine is a known neurotoxin to insects! That is why plants produce it in the first place and spiders wouldn't even have much reason to develop a resistance given most species have a carnivorous diet, their prey would have more of a reason to and prey that is dying of neurotoxin would be far less likely to survive to land in their web. Perhaps caffeine's inclusion among the study was a snide point on someone's part about the applicability of spider models to vertebrates.

Meanwhile they knew about MDMA use therapeutically yet it took to the 10's to start using it for PTSD again in clinical trials. Sorry lost generations of veterans - there was another war for you to be a casualty of.

It is still having politicians try to practice science - and I'm not sure how applicable those two are when they were dragged from them kicking and screaming essentially. It is still a political process instead of a scientific one.

Personally I think we as a society have demonstrated a considerable capacity for adaptation, so there's little to worry about, but my extended family certainly disagrees. There are a lot of other linked issues that operate similarly and it's a bit of a tragedy.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

It's ironic that for so many Americans the idea that people should be allowed to make their own choices would be such a tough sell...

Marijuana is illegal in the United States. There may not be state-level prohibition in some states, but that doesn't make it legal in those states, any more than the fact that individual states may not prohibit fraud against the US government makes such fraud legal in those states.

The federal policy against enforcing the existing federal criminal prohibition of marijuana against medical use that complies with state law is an unusual complication, but the criminal prohibition still applies even in those cases (particularly, should that policy be lifted by Congress tomorrow, all the crimes that occurred while it was in place could be prosecuted—and criminal and/or civil forfeiture associated with them pursued—because neither the crime nor it's punishments were removed, so no ex post facto issues would exist.) And it's not clear what the boundaries of that policy are, and, more importantly, it's not clear that anyone but Congress itself would have standing or an available remedy should the executive branch act in a manner that is arguably outside of the bounds of the policy.

https://www.straight.com/cannabis/1180771/evergreen-obtains-...

I thought you couldn't even be fined if carrying only enough for personal use.

What kind of people do you suppose loiter at these shops? From my experiences here in CO, no one loiters at these shops. The stores often have pretty tight security and attentive guards. You go in, do your business, and leave with product in hand. I would be willing to bet that the kind of people who visit these establishments is far more varied than you are able to comprehend.

I openly smoke marijuana in public places. Why?

It's a LOT LESS HARMFUL THAN SECOND HAND TOBACCO.

I see uninformed parents scowling at me for blowing marijuana smoke away from them while they are smoking cigarettes infront of their kids.

Anyways, if you see a guy smoking weed around Robson square, that's me.

I know I'm well into the minority on this one, but I think it's antisocial behavior to smoke anything where the general public will catch so much as a whiff of it and the people who knowingly do it are jerks, but for some reason this is very normalized behavior. I'm not anti-drug though; smoke whatever you want cloistered away from the public.

Then you can stay at home.

let them. I really don't give a shit if people think smoking weed in public is antisocial behavior lol

you aint seen nothing yet

Do you have a source to confirm that? I'd think it would be roughly similar: smoke of burning leaves.

Firefighters have above-average rates of cancer, including lung cancer. This suggests that inhaling lots of smoke from ANYTHING on the regular isn't good for you. Example: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/cancer/cancer-biggest-killer-...

However, it is not debatable that they are the primary causative agents in tobacco-derived cancers. [0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco-specific_nitrosamines

Burning known and non debatable evidence of toxic chemicals in tobacco leaves harvest curing.

Marijuana comes out ahead.

So much misinformation about drugs. Heroin is safer than alcohol if moderately consumed. Addiction wise, not so great. but Tobacco is said to be harder to quit than heroin.

I can attest to that.

You can't even get high from second hand marijuana smoke outside.

Hotboxing your car however, will get you high. Certainly better than being in a car with a tobacco enthusiast.