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Re:Snowboarding for Geeks by ultrasounder on Friday December 14, 2018 @09:51AM (#18681154)
+1. Always wanted to learn to Ski not having been exposed to snow early on but was told that Snowboarding is easier than Skiing for absolute beginners. Perhaps this time i can actually get some proper lessons. Timing couldn't be perfect!. Thanks.
Re:Snowboarding for Geeks by jasode on Friday December 14, 2018 @10:05AM (#18681248)
>but was told that Snowboarding is easier than Skiing for absolute beginners.

I think the "easier" depends on the target skill level.

Skiiing is easier to achieve a beginner skill level. Absolute beginners can point their toes inward and ski "pizza wedges" down easy hills rated as "green" within a few hours. Indeed, many skiiers including adults never leave this stage. But upgrading the skills to intermediate level requires changing the technique to shift the body weight to the edges of the skis. This shift can take weeks.

Snowboarding learning curve is the opposite. It's harder to get going as a beginner because you must balance on alternating edges of the board to even make the simplest basic turns. But the payoff is that you can graduate to intermediate and advanced slopes (the blues and black rated trails) much faster.

Re:Snowboarding for Geeks by soylentcola on Friday December 14, 2018 @10:25AM (#18681414)
Yeah, I never spent enough time skiing/boarding to progress past the beginner or early intermediate stage. The first time I went skiing I was already having fun because I was at a place with a long, meandering set of green trails.

They had a good combination of steeper bits to build speed and then leveled off to allow me to "regroup" and recover if I was pushing myself a bit. I understand how funny it is to think of "pushing yourself" on a green trail but this was the first time I'd gone skiing. The length of the trails helped a lot since even without being a major challenge, I could enjoy gliding through the woods for a good while before having to get back in line for the lift.

I didn't even bother with the short "bunny slopes" after a preliminary run or two since they were not long enough to get a feel for it before you had to just stop and start over.

I went a few more times over that winter and the next one and got to the point where I was feeling good on some of the easier "blues". I understood how edges worked and it mostly felt natural.

Snowboarding was very different for me. I have never taken the time to get any good at it because starting off is just so uncomfortable, awkward, and un-fun for me. I guess with skiing, it feels like the very basics feel like normal standing posture with some modification. I liked my legs being separate and not both strapped together in one direction.

What you're saying makes complete sense to me. I don't go often enough to ever get particularly good but I can still have fun and get some exercise as a noob skier. I've never had fun as a noob snowboarder and it makes it harder to put in the effort knowing that I don't have the money and time to devote to getting past that stage and to the fun parts.

Re:Snowboarding for Geeks by ovi256 on Friday December 14, 2018 @10:19AM (#18681365)
>changing the technique to shift the body weight to the edges of the skis. This shift can take weeks.

There are some ski schools that skip the "pizza wedge" technique and teach beginners directly the weight on edge parallel skis turns. They're very, very progressive independent schools usually. In the French Alps, you can ask about the ESF, which have schools everywhere, and in some (very rare) places teach like this.

That being said, in a normal 6 day ESF beginners class you would start learning parallel ski turns by day 3 if everything goes OK, after doing the usual pizza wedge the first days.

Re:Snowboarding for Geeks by gerdesj on Friday December 14, 2018 @07:16PM (#18686103)
I've always known this as "snow plough" rather than pizza wedge. Mind you, my first boots were made of leather and lace up. To be fair they were pretty old when they were chucked over to me aged seven in 1977. They needed to be smeared in dubbin for water proofing and I had bloody cold feet. Luckily they were binned after my first season.

Alpine skis were nearly straight sided when I were a lad and "carvers" only started to appear in the 80's. Transitioning from snow plough, sometimes through stem christies (turn downhill ski and lift and bring uphill ski into it) to proper parallel turns was a rite of passage. Modern skis lend themselves to point and turn much earlier.

When I teach I try to do both snow plough and parallel together because they are both useful techniques. Snow plough for control of speed and stability and parallel for general usage.

One technique I rarely see these days (apart from me) is the "kick turn" which is where you turn yourself 180 degrees in place, regardless of slope. It looks a lot cooler than back sliding and then wacking in a quick slow speed turn.

Re:Snowboarding for Geeks by NickNameNick on Friday December 14, 2018 @06:51PM (#18685991)
Early stage hiccups aside, my observations have usually been that skiers continue to progress in skill relatively smoothly, but that snow-boarders usually progress rapidly to boarding a lot of terrain, but doing it 'ugly', and very few boarders progress to the point of carving.
Re:Snowboarding for Geeks by PascLeRasc on Friday December 14, 2018 @10:15AM (#18681329)
Would you say knowing how to skateboard makes snowboarding easier? I'm planning on trying one of these this winter for the first time and I'm hoping some biking/skateboarding balance transfers over.
Re:Snowboarding for Geeks by leejo on Friday December 14, 2018 @10:53AM (#18681652)
Yes for some things, no for others. General board control, stance, balance, body movement for some tricks, etc: skateboarding definitely helps. There are some things that will feel unnatural at first though if you have skateboarded for a long time:

1) You want your weight biased towards your front foot on a snowboard, when you get competent at riding you will be doing a lot of control with the front foot. This is the opposite to skateboarding, where leaning on the front leg will cause you to fall over very quickly.

2) Toeside turns on a snowboard are utterly counterintuitive because there's no real mapping to anything on a skateboard (unlike heelside which could be considered like a fs powerslide on a skateboard) - you have to push your shins into your boots. Maybe it's a bit like carving on a longboard, but not so much.

The whole turning thing is the main difference - on a snowboard you use your front foot and your edges, on a skateboard you just pivot on the trucks.

(Source: 20 years as a skateboarder, now spend about 30 days a year on the slopes instead).

Re:Snowboarding for Geeks by pbhjpbhj on Friday December 14, 2018 @11:19AM (#18681911)
When I learnt I could already ski, was terrible at skateboarding, never got good enough to even ollie.

Did one day of 2x2 hour lesson, then could board well enough to do intermediate runs and manage on t-bar and chair lifts.

Most abiding memory, very cold arse. We broke for lunch after the first 2 hours and I had difficulty using the loo because I couldn't feel my arse at all.

Great fun, but for the last couple of days of the trip I went back to skis. There's something about the rhythmb that matched mountain-biking for me.

Day after the snowboarding lessons I couldn't sit up in bed, had to roll over, my tummy was so sore. I'd recommend lots of sit-ups and squats to get your abs ready!

I think it's easier to learn to board.

Re:Snowboarding for Geeks by aplc0r on Friday December 14, 2018 @10:33AM (#18681487)
When I first tried snowboarding after skateboarding for many years, the hardest part to get used to was being strapped into the board. I instinctively wanted to adjust the position of my feet and run out of falls.
Re:Snowboarding for Geeks by jasode on Friday December 14, 2018 @10:43AM (#18681568)
In my unscientific opinion, I think there is some skills overlap with skateboarding, surfing, and snowboarding. They all put your body at a 90 degree angle to the direction you're heading and you have to adjust your center of gravity over the board to turn. So it's very possible your skateboarding skills will help you learn faster than people who don't surf and skateboard.
Re:Snowboarding for Geeks by samesamesame on Friday December 14, 2018 @05:16PM (#18685370)
If you can get a hold of a caster board (rip stick), I found the motion to translate perfectly [1]. My very first time snowboarding, within 10 feet down the slope I had flipped over myself hard probably 3 times. And when I managed to stand up for more than a few seconds, it felt like the board was just sliding and I had no control.

But then for some reason I thought to ride it like a rip stick. And it completely clicked. I made it all the way down that very first run from there. Some of my group members had snowboarded multiples times before that day, but I was pretty much instantly better than most of them. As a side note, I also used to skateboard and didn't feel like it helped at all.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caster_board

Re:Snowboarding for Geeks by leetrout on Friday December 14, 2018 @10:20AM (#18681368)
The way you lean to carve and drive with your feet and let your body follow is very much like long boarding IMO.

I never skated on a regular board but I'd say yes you will have it easier.

Re:Snowboarding for Geeks by pjmlp on Friday December 14, 2018 @10:45AM (#18681591)
Only partially, because on snowboard you are bound to the board, so there is no jumping aside if things go bad, and the way to manage your balance is slightly different.

If you do it just like on the skateboard, you will fall a lot.

Re:Snowboarding for Geeks by odessacubbage on Friday December 14, 2018 @10:57AM (#18681687)
the basics of turning, carving, moguls, maintaining your speed etc wont necessarily feel analogous to skateboarding but the more advanced concepts especially when it comes to things like pipe & rails will feel pretty natural. the most fundamental difference imo is that skating pretty much all happens in your feet while you really have to throw your whole body to do anything on a snowboard.
Re:Snowboarding for Geeks by lui8906 on Friday December 14, 2018 @10:18AM (#18681348)
A general rule of thumb I've heard many times is:

'Skiing is easy to learn but hard to master, Snowboarding is hard to learn but easier to master'.

You're likely to fall over more learning to snowboard but will become competent and able to carve down the mountain faster.

Other elements to consider, Skiers are usually able to go faster than snowboarders down the hill. Snowboarders will have to unstrap and strap into their back binding when entering and exiting the chairlifts. Snowboarders have many more easy trick options available. I know hardly any skiers that can do any tricks, most of my competent snowboarding friends are able to at least do small jumps of sidehits (mounds of snow on the sides of the slope).

I'm a passionate snowboarder and cannot recommend the sport highly enough, there is just no feeling like riding down fresh powder snow on a cool winters morning!

Re:Snowboarding for Geeks by volkl48 on Friday December 14, 2018 @12:31PM (#18682633)
I'll note that skiers seem have a much easier time learning to handle difficult terrain/higher typical skill cap in that area.

I don't see many boarders who can handle mogul fields without looking miserable. Likewise, when you've got some vertical ice skating going on a double diamond, the skiers usually have a much easier time maintaining control (two edges and all that).

I'll also note that a flat traverse is way more miserable for a boarder, skiers can "skate" along.

All depends on what you want to do any your interests.

Either way, it's a great hobby.

Re:Snowboarding for Geeks by beezle on Friday December 14, 2018 @11:28PM (#18687030)
Most of the boarders complaining about flats do so because they never wax their boards. If you regularly wax with the right stuff you'll be able to fly by skiers on all but the stickiest of spring crud.

And when I say waxing, I mean doing it yourself. Too many shops do really inferior work. If you must use a shop, keep a small structure brush with you. A credit card can be used in a pinch as a scraper. The bane of speed is wax left on the board.

Re:Snowboarding for Geeks by altec3 on Friday December 14, 2018 @02:45PM (#18683951)
I think the reason moguls suck for snowboarders is because they're traditionally made from skiers carving.
Re:Snowboarding for Geeks by beezle on Friday December 14, 2018 @11:24PM (#18687019)
more specifically, from bad skiers not carving.
Re:Snowboarding for Geeks by stephen_g on Friday December 14, 2018 @10:04AM (#18681236)
I don’t think it actually is easier, from my experience based on learning years ago on a school trip, where a lot of people skied and about a dozen of us boarded. It seemed that the beginner skiers were able to navigate more of the resort faster than us boarders over the first two or so days. But after about three days with a lesson in the morning and riding on our own all afternoon, the difference had pretty much disappeared, and the more adventurous of us of either type were doing intermediate difficulty runs pretty easily.

So apart from the first couple of days, I don’t think it really makes that much difference.

The biggest difference to me, I have to admit, is that once you get the hang of it, snowboarding feels cooler and more fun than skiing looks (to me), but I’m sure skiing is a lot of fun too (especially if you want to go very fast, which is a lot easier on skis)! But for the first day or two of boarding, you spend a lot of time on your butt and falling over!

Re:Snowboarding for Geeks by jasonkester on Friday December 14, 2018 @10:59AM (#18681703)
Snowboarding is faster to pick up because the approach you take to the sport is different than for skiing.

Skiing is all about not falling. Falling on skis is no fun and results in having to walk up the slope to find your skis. After your first season, you'll often go entire years with only a fall or two. And those hurt, so you avoid them.

Snowboarding is a sport where you fall all the time, even as an expert. There are no consequences to doing so, apart from maybe picking your hat up, so the best plan is to simply go for it and see what happens. If you bite it, you bounce back up before you even come to a complete stop and keep going.

Naturally, it hurts a lot the first season. But you get good fast. I skied for like 10 years before picking up snowboarding. And I was better at snowboarding within the first season.

Re:Snowboarding for Geeks by robnagler on Friday December 14, 2018 @02:58PM (#18684082)
I disagree there are no consequences. Broken ribs have been known to occur.[0]

[0] https://www.viarob.com/my/page/Snowtorturing

Re:Snowboarding for Geeks by yodsanklai on Friday December 14, 2018 @10:07AM (#18681261)
I used to be a snowboarding instructor (I don't ski though). I'd say you can quickly be able to go on all kind of slopes. Beginner/intermediate skiers tend to have a harder time in powder or steep slopes. However, snowboarding beginners tend to fall much more often, the first days can be very tiring. I'd recommend avoiding learning on hard snow. If you can, make sure you you go in the mountain when the snow is fresh. And much much better to have an instructor.
Re:Snowboarding for Geeks by superhuzza on Friday December 14, 2018 @10:06AM (#18681258)
Just a warning, snowboarding is traditionally considered more difficult for beginners than skiing. This is mostly because your legs are in fixed positions, so you have fewer independent points of contact with the ground (so balance is worse).
Re:Snowboarding for Geeks by DBYCZ on Friday December 14, 2018 @10:46AM (#18681597)
It's way easier for a beginner to crash on a snowboard than on skis. The difference is that it's way easier to crash really hard on skis than it is on a board.

Once you catch an edge or slide out on a board, you're on the ground. I've seen skiers fall back on to their skis and rocket down the hill uncontrolled.

Re:Snowboarding for Geeks by hnal943 on Friday December 14, 2018 @10:14AM (#18681324)
I skied for 15 years before I learned to snowboard. I have never fallen so hard as when I was first learning to snowboard!

The other downside is not being able to traverse flat terrain, which is more or less important depending on the resort you are at.

Re:Snowboarding for Geeks by clmckinley on Friday December 14, 2018 @09:59AM (#18681215)
My experience has been the opposite. Skiing is easier at slow speeds and has a shorter learning curve, but takes a lot longer to get good. Snow boarding has a higher learning curve and is harder at slow speeds, but once it clicks you can do most anything on the mountain in a couple of days.

Skiing was intuitive and my body wanted to do enough of the right thing to get me down most of the beginner slope with little "learning". Snowboarding felt unnatural so i had to fight my bodies natural instincts. The trick with snowboarding is to go faster than feels comfortable at first because it is much easier when you have momentum.

Re:Snowboarding for Geeks by dominotw on Friday December 14, 2018 @10:02AM (#18681227)
> way you have to lean with snowboarding felt unnatural so i had to fight my bodies natural instincts.

I had the same feeling with skiing.

1. Lean forward to stop and get control when ur instinct is to lean back to stop the glide.

2. lean on the opposite side of where you want to go, you want to lean in the same direction.

etc

Re:Snowboarding for Geeks by arethuza on Friday December 14, 2018 @10:13AM (#18681310)
You might want to consider where you'll be learning - if the area has a lot of drag lifts then they can be miserable for snowboarders.
Re:Snowboarding for Geeks by drblast on Friday December 14, 2018 @06:11PM (#18685773)
Snowboarding is the best, but whoever told you that is steering you wrong. Skiing is much easier to learn.

Lessons will definitely help shorten the learning time but be prepared for your first 3-5 days to be a painful experience if you're snowboarding. If you only go 3-5 days a season you're probably going to have a much better time on skiis.

Re:Snowboarding for Geeks by mattnewport on Friday December 14, 2018 @11:30AM (#18682009)
This may be true if you're in pretty good shape and have pretty good balance. If you're not fitter than an average 20 something I think skiing is probably easier as a beginner.
Re:Snowboarding for Geeks by mylons on Friday December 14, 2018 @10:25AM (#18681425)
on skis, it's very possible to go down a blue confidently on day 1. on a snowboard, that's very unlikely.
Re:Snowboarding for Geeks by jessaustin on Friday December 14, 2018 @05:55PM (#18685663)
I know people who have skied for years and aren't confident enough to do that.
Re:Snowboarding for Geeks by mylons on Friday December 21, 2018 @11:51AM (#18734542)
ok. it doesn't mean it's not very possible