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Re:The latest on Messages, Allo, Duo and Hangouts by mrkstu on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @10:53PM (#18615254)
This is the brilliance of iMessage where it gets critical mass- fallback to SMS but pushing the iMessage identity tied to an account that follows you to new phones/devices.

I think that iMessage network effect is a big reason for the steady market share growth of iPhone in the US- none of the competitive apps have cross-generational appeal, just iMessage.

Re:The latest on Messages, Allo, Duo and Hangouts by brendanmc6 on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @11:17PM (#18615367)
I agree with you, but a hardware specific messaging app is just stupid.

As you can tell by the length of my last post, thinking about this situation has got me upset.

So upset, that right now I've decided to launch a non-profit, open collective organization called OOMA. Only One Messaging App.

OOMA will be comprised of the millions of people who are annoyed and upset at the result of tech companies competing for our communication. We are taking things into our own hands. We are agreeing to switch to ONE service, for ALL of our messaging needs. All of us, all over the world, all at once.

We are going to do 5 things, in order: 1. Choose a switch date. 2. Define a spec for the "perfect messaging app" (encryption, licensing, finance model, features, tech, etc.) 3. Invite companies to pitch their app, and/or secure funding to develop our own to spec. 4. Spread the word. 5. Make the switch.

I'm going to prepare a marketing web page and (ironically) a discord server right now. At the very worst it's a fun side project and way to express my anger.

EDIT: OOMA server is live. If you think an app is not the solution, come tell us why: https://discord.gg/CmdgUp

Re:The latest on Messages, Allo, Duo and Hangouts by 013a on Thursday December 06, 2018 @12:20AM (#18615644)
> a hardware specific messaging app is just stupid.

What's the old phrase? If it looks stupid but it works, its not stupid. Say hello to the world's most valuable public company and what is commonly regarded as the world's highest quality messaging network.

A truth technologists hate hearing: You cannot, under any circumstances, solve problems created by code by creating more code.

Re:The latest on Messages, Allo, Duo and Hangouts by yaacov on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @11:24PM (#18615394)
XKCD has a comic for just this situation: https://xkcd.com/927/
Re:The latest on Messages, Allo, Duo and Hangouts by brendanmc6 on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @11:31PM (#18615421)
Hahaha I had that in my copy clipboard while typing the post :)

For real though, has any sort of movement or organization tried to alleviate these problems without financial motivation?

Re:The latest on Messages, Allo, Duo and Hangouts by mxuribe on Thursday December 06, 2018 @09:52AM (#18618442)
I encourage you to read about matrix [https://matrix.org] - the protocol. In addition, there are numerous open source clients to use [https://matrix.org/docs/projects/clients-matrix]. Also, as far as organizations, matrix.org has recently become a foundation moving towards somewhat you described [https://matrix.org/blog/2018/10/29/introducing-the-matrix-or...].
Re:The latest on Messages, Allo, Duo and Hangouts by balladeer on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @11:48PM (#18615495)
I would say that would not be done by "an app", nor "a service with an API exposed", but by "a protocol" that other/most/all apps follow. Jabber/XMPP comes to mind, so does Matrix.
Re:The latest on Messages, Allo, Duo and Hangouts by dflock on Thursday December 06, 2018 @04:19AM (#18616497)
Ooooh - the worlds biggest bikeshed ;)
Re:The latest on Messages, Allo, Duo and Hangouts by brendanmc6 on Friday December 07, 2018 @12:01AM (#18625272)
Right, building another messaging app is not the right approach. But choosing one of the many existing solutions, and somehow convincing all of my social circle to move to it-- that's the problem I want to solve! Has anyone done it before?
Re:The latest on Messages, Allo, Duo and Hangouts by paulryanrogers on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @11:12PM (#18615341)
Wouldn't a federated solution be better though? After all email and SMS are decentralized, albeit somewhat archaic.
Re:The latest on Messages, Allo, Duo and Hangouts by sorenjan on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @11:29PM (#18615417)
If email and SMS was invented today, they wouldn't be open and decentralized. Everything is locked and centralized nowadays, since everything is tied to accounts at companies wanting to make money of of you. It's the current state of the Internet, a world wide open network with siloed incompatible services.

I'm actually contemplating ICQ, it's still around and looks no worse than any other service. Matrix might be a better solution though, it's federated and open. https://matrix.org/blog/home/

Re:The latest on Messages, Allo, Duo and Hangouts by secabeen on Thursday December 06, 2018 @01:35AM (#18615918)
Yep. 20 years ago, if you developed something cool, you open sourced it. Now, you turn it into a SAAS startup and monetize it to make your millions.
Re:The latest on Messages, Allo, Duo and Hangouts by beagle3 on Thursday December 06, 2018 @04:13AM (#18616466)
Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.

ICQ, AIM, MSN Messenger, PawWaw, Yahoo Messenger, Odigo, (and 30 more names I can't remeber) - there was a huge instant messaging war, the first stage of which was decidedly won by AOL (with AIM and the purchase of ICQ), but Microsoft later made great headway through sheer monopoly force and persistence - but that eventually became irrelevant with SMS taking over as the main form of instant messaging and then WhatsApp taking the world by storm.

None of this was open source. Not a single one of the successful messengers. In fact, AOL fought alternative clients fiercely all the time, and Microsoft started fighting them as soon as they got non-trivial market share.

What about XMPP (Which started life as Jabber before being standardized?)? Well, that one is open source. But it only survived and flourished because all the commercial outfits were busy fighting each other.

I was tangentially involved with the failed instant messaging standardization process at the turn of the millennium, and Jabber was by far the worst technical proposal at the time -- but the process was political, and when the committee disbanded due to all the political infighting, Jabber, which didn't have the commercial interests, was the remaining option.

Re:The latest on Messages, Allo, Duo and Hangouts by mxuribe on Thursday December 06, 2018 @09:54AM (#18618456)
sorenjan referenced matrix...and honestly, that's the way to go.