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Re:The U.S. Yield Curve Has Inverted by narrator on Monday December 03, 2018 @08:50PM (#18595178)
We could go China style and just get rid of the fed and have the government print its own money. That would be way too easy though.

Edit: The difference is when China bails out its banks it doesn't loan the money into existence to do it. The U.S government must borrow the money from the fed and the interest rate is paid back by the taxpayers. Yes, the interest paid back to the fed goes back to the government, minus expenses. However, those with very large amounts of money, trillions in aggregate, can piggyback on this system and earn enormous risk free returns where they would otherwise have to carefully invest in non-risk free instruments. These risk free assets are unavailable to chinese investors forcing these large savings into various productive (or non-productive based on their investing skill) investments in the economy. They can't go into T-Bills either because of strict currency controls. In the U.S the risk-free trillions invested are guaranteed by the power of taxation of the rest of the productive economy. This austerity to pay the bondholders and ensuing liquidation is what trashes the rest of the economy on a regular basis in Western economies. This doesn't happen in China because the banks get bailed out with printed money and they keep on lending without putting the government in debt or requiring taxes to be raised or austerity.

That China has not had a Japanese style prolonged credit bust even though it has been predicted by "The Economist" and other supposedly learned publications on a regular basis for the last 30 years is a sublime mystery that defines explanation because there is a stubborn refusal to objectively understand and analyze the Chinese financial system. I'd say it's a new paradigm in human organization that really defies western understanding because our financial system is so enormously politically protected by all that trillions in passive capital that gets risk free returns.

Re:The U.S. Yield Curve Has Inverted by mandelbrotwurst on Monday December 03, 2018 @09:29PM (#18595513)
The Federal Reserve is part of the government.
Re:The U.S. Yield Curve Has Inverted by brokensegue on Monday December 03, 2018 @09:59PM (#18595711)
and the federal reserve doesn't (literally) print the money...
Re:The U.S. Yield Curve Has Inverted by gammateam on Monday December 03, 2018 @10:06PM (#18595747)
At their discretion they can buy an asset and the person they bought from now has money that didnt previously exist

This is what is being referred to as printing, but yes its just an unlimited asset issuance function in the currency class of a program

Re:The U.S. Yield Curve Has Inverted by labster on Monday December 03, 2018 @11:51PM (#18596376)
Yes, but every bank can create money through lending, you don't need a to be a government agency to do that. The Fed just has less limits because it can just add arbitrary amounts of currency to its balance sheets.
Re:The U.S. Yield Curve Has Inverted by taysic on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @02:01AM (#18597000)
Banks in theory have consequences for lending more than is reasonably available to them. The Fed really can create money out of thin air. That's a big difference.
Re:The U.S. Yield Curve Has Inverted by brianpgordon on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @10:00AM (#18599936)
As long as they satisfy their capital requirements, banks can lend as they please. They tend not to make really bad loans because directors are legally beholden to shareholders to ensure management is appropriately managing risk. The Fed doesn't tend to print trillions of dollars for no particular reason because it is legally beholden to its dual mandate. It's not that different. Yes the Fed can create "reserve currency" and banks can only create "commercial currency" but the distinction is a technical one and doesn't have a whole lot of macroeconomic impact.
Re:The U.S. Yield Curve Has Inverted by taysic on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @12:51AM (#18605964)
The Fed has mandate that has nothing to do with the motivation of the banks. That's a huge difference - they create money for entirely different reasons. And yes, the Fed has an enormous macroeconomic impact obviously.
Re:The U.S. Yield Curve Has Inverted by brianpgordon on Saturday December 08, 2018 @04:54AM (#18634630)
I don't think you actually responded to anything that I said, so I'm not sure how to reply. Did you just sort all of the words in my comment and pick some at random to respond to?
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Re:The U.S. Yield Curve Has Inverted by mandelbrotwurst on Monday December 03, 2018 @11:33PM (#18596291)
I know they're considered "independent", that said they're still a central authority created by Congress to control the money supply whose members are presidentially appointed, with a .gov domain name to boot.
Re:The U.S. Yield Curve Has Inverted by rapsey on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @03:24AM (#18597446)
Fed Board of Governors are appointed and a part of the government. The actual Fed banks themselves are owned by commercial banks.
Re:The U.S. Yield Curve Has Inverted by godzilla82 on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @07:52AM (#18598926)
But do they report to the government?
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Re:The U.S. Yield Curve Has Inverted by anticensor on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @03:53AM (#18597615)
For demand control reasons. Money printing can only control supply. The alternative is central bank becoming the basic income supplier, with no abilities to control demand.
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Re:The U.S. Yield Curve Has Inverted by anticensor on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @01:57PM (#18602497)
The states, which have a central bank, a taxing buro and a government-owned lottery together, do have the necessary instruments to distribute UBI with a suitable demand control mechanism, with just a re-legistlation and re-organisation. US lacks the last one, hence lacks the instrument to do the demand control without debt control nand excessive taxing.
Re:The U.S. Yield Curve Has Inverted by shaki-dora on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @06:06AM (#18598298)
Because we understand that this is a ridiculous conspiracy theory, and also (apropos of nothing) "multinational" isn't a dirty word?

Hint: one of OP's sources is Glenn Beck. Also Rant Paul.

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Re:The U.S. Yield Curve Has Inverted by matt4077 on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @06:45AM (#18598536)
You could easily disprove this yourself. Just check https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve#Legal_status_o...

> However, holding stock in a Federal Reserve bank is not like owning stock in a publicly traded company. These stocks cannot be sold or traded, and member banks do not control the Federal Reserve Bank as a result of owning this stock.

> the "ownership" of the Reserve Banks by the commercial banks is symbolic; they do not exercise the proprietary control associated with the concept of ownership nor share, beyond the statutory dividend, in Reserve Bank "profits."

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Re:The U.S. Yield Curve Has Inverted by shaki-dora on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @07:22AM (#18598741)
Buy some Treasury Bonds, and you're also privately profiting from public debt. that's how it works. You need someone to take the other side to have any debt, and there is only one government.

Other than that: you have wilfully ignored the quotes, in what is obviously a bad faith attempt at trolling.

Re:The U.S. Yield Curve Has Inverted by dang on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @04:54AM (#18606934)
Please don't cross into incivility, regardless of how bad you think other comments are.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Re:The U.S. Yield Curve Has Inverted by dang on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @04:55AM (#18606938)
Personal attacks will get you banned here. Please post civilly and substantively, or not at all.

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