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Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by nostromo on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @12:26PM (#18544370)
Entrepreneurship is dying in America and it should concern us all.

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/blogs/research-matters/2018/...

While unemployment and asset prices have recovered in the past decade, business starts have remained at historic lows. When these small businesses die they aren't being replaced by upstarts. I wish we knew why.

I'm worried the future will be a small handful of oligopolist mega-corps. You see this consolidation in every industry: banks have consolidated (there are fewer banks now than at any point in modern US history), a few leading tech firms, agriculture, energy, etc.

Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by mdorazio on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @01:13PM (#18544931)
I'm in the process of shutting down my business, so anecdotally:

1) Globalization has made it almost completely impossible to make things in the US unless they are massively overpriced goods (ex. luxury items or niche specialty goods). Customers simply won't pay enough to cover your costs. And there's a good chance that if you are successful, someone will copy your stuff, make it in China, and sell it for half your price within 12 months.

2) In California at least, costs are pretty ridiculous for small businesses. Between state, county, and city taxes, high labor costs, ridiculous healthcare costs, rent, insurance costs, etc. etc. It is far more expensive to start a business today as a percentage of expected revenue than it was a few decades ago.

3) The US IP protection and regulatory systems are out of control. Fending off patent trolls, tiptoeing around trademarks, dealing with licensing systems specifically designed to be too burdensome for small companies to bear, spending time and money to deal with regulatory compliance, etc. puts small businesses at a massive disadvantage.

4) Unpopular opinion, but I think today's workers are less suited to small businesses than they used to be. Many younger workers say they want to work for startups, but what they really want is a venture-backed cushy office with catering and perks completely untied to actual business revenue. These types of businesses account for a tiny percentage of actual small business starts in the US, which are often not places today's workers want to work at, let alone stay loyal to.

Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by Aloha on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @01:52PM (#18545401)
I'll disagree with you on point one.

I can buy all sorts of US made shit, that is profitably sold, at reasonable prices, overalls, jeans, mattresses, washing machines, boots, cars - its that the margin is lower in the states as it costs 2-5% more to make something here.

The issue is, many things here cannot be made here with any ease, because the ecosystem for them no longer exists.

I'm willing to pay 10% more for american made things - I suspect most americans would be too, given the option.

Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by zjaffee on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @02:49PM (#18546025)
Exactly this, for most generic goods, automation has reached the point where the cost of producing goods somewhere not too far from a major American rail route is only marginally more expensive to deliver to the end consumer than had you produced it in China or elsewhere. The problem is that the Chinese manufacturing environment has a much tighter supply chain, where all the precursor products needed are also manufactured nearby with heavily optimized supply chains for getting raw goods where they need to be. This is especially true with high weight added products such as appliances.

The real problem is that we absolutely suck at manufacturing anything other than items that only really make sense to manufacture locally (certain food items, detergents), where in terms of exports we only exceed at certain types of heavy machinery along with certain chemical and polymer products.

Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by Aloha on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @03:28PM (#18546358)
I think its possible to bring the ecosystems back - but you have to start at the top of the chain, and work backwards. Not at the bottom up - make a price competitive business with foreign made bits, and eventually thru protectionist trade policy, bring back lower and lower parts of the supply chain - we may find it makes sense to stop half way down, and not try to bring it all back - we may not.
Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by 0xffff2 on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @03:57PM (#18546607)
Where can I buy US made jeans for 10% more than their typical internationally made counterparts? A pair of Levis or Wranglers runs somewhere between $30 and $50. I've never seen a pair of American made jeans for less than $200. Similar result with boots.

If US made was only 10% more, I would go out of my way to purchase only domestically produced goods, but when it's 100+%, it's really hard to justify.

Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by Aloha on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @11:12PM (#18549239)
https://www.round-house.com/collections/round-house-made-in-...

https://lcking.com/collections/jeans-pants

All US made stuff, decent quality and long lasting too - first link is made in Oklahoma, second on in Tennessee.

Start there - good boots are expensive no matter where you buy them - I have 100 dollar cowboy boots though, that are US made.

Boots of various styles, mostly western though - all US Made: https://www.justinboots.com/footwear/men_collections_shop-ma...

Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by Domenic_S on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @02:09PM (#18545584)
> many things here cannot be made here with any ease

Like what?

Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by Aloha on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @02:47PM (#18546005)
Electronics for one - there is no longer a domestic industry for jellybean components
Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by gamblor956 on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @02:10AM (#18549791)
Going to disagree with you on point 2. Taxes for businesses are taxes on profit not income. If you're not making a profit, like most startups, you don't pay taxes. It's a very simple concept that most people simply don't understand, presumably because taxation of individuals is based on (gross) income. California is expensive--but factoring in the size of the available market, labor pool, logistics, and other resources, it's a far better choice than the Midwest or the South.
Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by mdorazio on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @09:15AM (#18551567)
Sorry, but no. I thought the same thing until I actually started a business. Look up how taxes work in California and then look at how they work with respect to S Corps. Then look at how large companies hide their profits via schemes like the double Irish, which small businesses have no chance to do.

Just to give you an example - in Los Angeles, the county assess a tax on unsecured property that has absolutely no bearing on your revenue. That's a tax on your office equipment, furniture, machines, etc. The city also assess a tax on revenue, not profit, in excess of $100,000. And even if you don't make a dime in profit, Corps and LLCs still pay a minimum state tax. If you own a building for your business you're also going to pay property tax, and if you don't you're going to pay it in the form of higher rent as well.

To your last point, you need to add an "if" to make it accurate. California is a far better choice than the Midwest or South if you can start a small business with high enough margins to cover the much higher costs of basically everything.

Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by gamblor956 on Thursday November 29, 2018 @02:47PM (#18563289)
Sorry, but no. I do this for a living, and you're deliberating misrepresenting how taxes work, including how business property taxes work. To note: a company with millions of dollars of business property might have a $10,000 business property tax bill. If you can't afford that, you have no right to call yourself a functional business.

The minimum LLC franchise fee is $800. A real business can afford that, a pretend business cannot.

Double-Irish structures don't work to shield US income. They never have, so US companies can't use them to reduce their US taxation either, regardless of size.

And finally, you chose a pass-through form of taxation, meaning you chose to be taxed as an individual instead of as a separate entity. That's on you--not on California. That same choice would screw you over pretty much everywhere there's a state income tax--meaning all the states where people actually want to live.

Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by jorblumesea on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @01:52PM (#18545392)
#1 and #3 seem to be in direct competition. You're worried about others copying your IP, but then also cite overbearing IP issues as a problem. If IP laws were weakened, would that not make the theft of ideas even worse?

#4 somewhat relates to #2, where costs as often put on the employees to keep small businesses afloat. Large companies have the sizes to keep costs down. I would love to work for a small business, but it would mean x5 increase in healthcare and insurance costs.

Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by leetcrew on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @04:46PM (#18547138)
#1 and #3 are not contradictory. #1 is about being undercut by firms overseas that don't respect US IP law. #3 is about US IP law being overbearing where enforced. they're basically orthogonal points.
Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by nikanj on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @05:04PM (#18547271)
5) The housing crisis affects the business finances too: You need to pay your workers enough to live in the area of your business. In California, this is a major burden.
Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by cylinder on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @01:25PM (#18545063)
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Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by dragonwriter on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @01:32PM (#18545151)
> It's sad that you were able to make all of these very valid points without even needing to mention the "health insurance costs for self employed people and their employees"

That was mentioned along with a litany of other things in point 2.

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Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by jondubois on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @01:42PM (#18545259)
I think that we're at a point economically that it doesn't even make sense to point out mistakes that entrepreneurs may or may not have made... Even without any mistakes, the odds of failure for a small business are still ridiculously high. As a rule of thumb, all the capital goes straight to corporations. You can't build a business out of the current environment. You can hack, lie or cheat your way but you can't do it fair and square anymore.
Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by pm90 on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @02:09PM (#18545582)
Agree completely. Which is why... blaming the current generation of workers seems unhelpful. I hope the OP will realize that.
Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by jondubois on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @02:33PM (#18545866)
True. There's definitely a vicious cycle.

These days you have to work like a maniac to get a 10% chance of success. It's not very motivating. It's better to save yourself the mental trauma, take a cushy job and get a 90% chance of being able to retire.

Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by rubicon33 on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @01:53PM (#18545402)
I think his first 3 points are valid, but the 4th should have been left out. All generations, young and old, have their fair share of entitled + lazy people. It's never been easy to find hard working, loyal people. Never. Blaming it on the current culture, or the "youth" is understandable, but ultimately misguided.

One of the undervalued skills in entrepreneurship is the ability to not only find, but successfully hire and retain, excellent employees. It's never been easy.

Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by snarf21 on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @01:40PM (#18545240)
Let's say you are right. How would you do better? What actual practical advice do you have to offer this person who at least tried?

I agree on the point that you can't just say "kids these days..." as every generation blames the one before and kids are always "lazy".

Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by plurgid on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @12:47PM (#18544621)
completely anecdotal, but the reason from my perspective is that the system has been overwhelmingly rigged against being able to take economic risk.

I would have started my own business by now ... heck I'd probably have started and failed several by now if not for one thing. Well three:

1) you cannot afford prescription drugs in America unless you have good health insurance. At least in my state (Alabama), the federal health marketplace offers exactly one option from exactly one provider. It has a ridiculously high deductible and is (no shit) not accepted at nearly all doctor's offices in my town.

2) I cannot afford to lose my access to prescription medication and healthcare, because my wife has diabetes and I survived cancer a few years ago. We're in fine health now, but we DO have medical expenses ... things that should NOT be that expensive (yearly CT scans and insulin are hardly breaking technology), but have been SO inflated in price by a bogus, rigged third-party-payer system that we literally can't afford those things without "insurance".

3) I had kids early in life, and since my adult working career began, it has been an absolute baseline requirement that I be able to get them medical care and otherwise provide for them.

ok ... having kids early was my decision, and I'll accept that this decision limited my universe of personal options. Getting sick. Having a wife who got sick. These were not personal decisions. They are just things that happen to people.

Our system in America is designed to keep me at my desk, working for someone else, doing mostly meaningless work. Why? Because it'd be a complete nightmare for those at the top, if every last one of me out there in the workplace could afford to take a risk that might not work out.

There'd be a helluva lot more competition out there.

America is dying because of this. Not just our economy. But our society. The world would genuinely be a better place with the companies I would have started in it. And that is true for every other stymied inventor/would-be-entrepreneur in america.

There is always a downside to risk, and there is always a risk involved in starting a new Enterprise. But what we have right now is so far out of whack that taking even a minor risk, can straight up kill you or your kids for lack of access to proper medical care.

Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by nine_k on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @12:59PM (#18544768)
Can relate.

My wife could afford to start a few small businesses over the years only because I have health insurance from my employment, and can get her, and our kids, to the family plan.

If Obamacare did something good to people not on lowest-paid jobs, it is giving at least some options of health care to entrepreneurs who are not yet raking in millions (that is, most of them).

Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by hippich on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @01:18PM (#18544994)
That explains why you, in particular, can't take a risk at starting a business. It does not explain why healthy/young/single/childless people do not try it.

Since we are talking about anecdotes - whenever I mention some success in my business, most friends get bored. Yet if they get to another create-a-crud-form job - this is being celebrated like some kind of achievement. I still hear talks about how small business is celebrated in the USA (i am immigrant), but I do not experience it in practice.

Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by dragonwriter on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @01:44PM (#18545283)
> That explains why you, in particular, can't take a risk at starting a business. It does not explain why healthy/young/single/childless people do not try it.

Historically, lots of small businesses are started not by healthy, young, single childless people, but by midcareer people that have savings to invest and professional networks and experience-based insights to build a business around.

So, when those type of people lose opportunity to start businesses, then total business starts drop.

Also, young people starting non-VC backed businesses have often relied on older midcareer relatives supplying financing, networks, and supporting experience, so many of the same things that hurt older people starting businesses (including healthcare costs, which—with common insurance schemes—not only tie you to wage labor but also still require you to maintain capital reserves for co-insurance, which reduces the attractiveness of using savings for speculative, long-payoff, high-risk business investment) also have a similar, if somewhat lesser, negative effect on younger people doing so.

Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by tstrimple on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @01:45PM (#18545300)
Because our social safety nets are garbage. People don't feel comfortable taking the risks. It's why most entrepreneurs come from families with money. It's why countries with strong social safety nets are beating us in entrepreneurship rates. Give people easy access to free education, and universal health care and you'll see a rise in entrepreneurship in this country.
Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by ghthor on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @08:55AM (#18551425)
It really is this simple, give the poor safety nets so they don't die if they take risks.
Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by hokumguru on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @03:16PM (#18546257)
Same situation here in Nebraska really, there's a single healthcare provider that offers exactly 1 plan that would cost me, a young, healthy, 23 y/o hundreds of dollars per month with a ridiculously high deductible. If I were to start on my own I would be bankrupt in months from health insurance alone.
Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by pm90 on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @01:34PM (#18545175)
Healthcare seems to be so important to your financial future and yet your state consistently votes for politicians who are opposed to providing better healthcare (although, Doug Jones' win was certainly a bright spot).
Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by mrguyorama on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @12:37PM (#18544502)
The average American has so little buying power that they have become absurdly price conscious. If a big player muscles into my business, they can undercut me and ruin me with no recourse. Why would I get into that?
Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by ravenstine on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @01:02PM (#18544809)
Yet pundits on both the right and the left seem to be shouting "Ya-hoo! The economy is great!"

I don't really understand where that's coming from because it takes a minimal amount of research to figure out that the BLS unemployment statistic tells us virtually nothing(even Adam Ruins Everything covered that). Wages have been stagnant in comparison to productivity since around the 1970's(adjusted for inflation), the labor force participation rate is in decline, I don't know anyone who doesn't think housing and rent is absurd right now, Americans are buried in debt, medical care is expensive and often enters scam territory, etc.

And we're supposed to become entrepreneurs? lol

Things aren't adding up, and we're probably not going to even accept that we're in a decline until we're well into it.

Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by pm90 on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @01:37PM (#18545209)
Pundits go by statistical indicators of the economy's well being. You've provided only anecdotal evidence of grievances/complaints. EDIT: I see in another thread here you do provide factual evidence so I will retract my previous statement. My apologies.
Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by zjaffee on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @03:12PM (#18546223)
Except the American economy is far from being in decline. Healthcare costs may be up, but outcomes are far better than they had been historically. Housing costs are up, but the size of an American home is 3x larger per person than it was a 60 years ago during what people refer to the peak of American success. The third and only other real big thing whose cost has risen faster than wages is education, where it's the only clear thing whose marginal utility has not really gone up over time in the way other industries have.

The problem with much of these things is that we're on a hedonic treadmill that we refuse to get off, even as further expansion of consumerism is destroying our planet. The big problem we have is policy that has promoted a society of which economic growth and even wage gains fails to provide a meaningful improvement in peoples lives.

Policy reforms could allow for the majority of people to live in cities in relatively new buildings serviced by public transit all at a lower cost than what we have now given our current system of inflated land values and high automotive transportation costs (i.e. cost of new construction is still relatively affordable when compared to the cost of land and public transit is far cheaper to build and service than automotive infrastructure). Reforms around healthcare that currently restrict the availability of doctors and enable overcharging of medical components would go a long way as well, and lastly, reducing the overhead around university administration while restricting lending would go a long way.

tl;dr: We aren't in decline, we just need reforms around housing, healthcare and education as their costs make poor economic sense and are only high due to protectionism and loose lending/insurance laws.

Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by mrguyorama on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @03:38PM (#18546440)
You missed what they said. Yes, the economy/google/ford/big company is doing incredible. Profits are off the charts.

That however stopped translating to things being good for the average American in like the 50s

Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by cylinder on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @01:29PM (#18545117)
I had to shutter my business due to nobody having any money. Regular people could not pay my reasonable fees. Even those with seemingly decent jobs. You have to sell to big corporations.
Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by anongraddebt on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @03:23PM (#18546322)
What did you sell? Just curious.
Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by nine_k on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @12:54PM (#18544706)
Did an average American have higher buying power in 1930? In 1900?
Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by ravenstine on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @01:16PM (#18544971)
It depends on how you look at it. I don't have data that goes back that far, but the graph in this article should be of interest to everyone:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/10/03/us-wages...

Essentially, up to the 1970s, wages followed closely with productivity. Quite suddenly, wages stopped growing while productivity has continued to grow with no sign of catching up.

Take a look at this chart from the BLS:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJ9l_q6VYAERRDt.jpg

What we can take from that is while prices for certain things have declined(e.g. technology, new cars, software, toys, clothes), the price of arguably more important things (child care, medical care, college tuition, textbooks, housing, food) has gone up. Sure, we've been bearing those costs, but the maximization of profits from those expenditures will inevitably cause an adjustment when Americans can't pay for those things anymore.

Americans might technically have a higher buying power than 1900, and especially 1930, but not necessarily in every area or even the areas that are important. If we were to say that Americans have more access to food, clothing, computers, education, etc., it doesn't mean that Americans are actually paying for those things; a lot of the wealth we think we have is coming from record amounts of debt that were unseen in the early 20th century. The things that make it seem like we have more spending power than we did a century ago are being made possible by what could be a ticking time bomb.

Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by typetehcodez on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @01:37PM (#18545204)
TV's, Software, and Toys are cheaper, and notably the only categories cheaper on that chart from BLS. Well, it looks like this is good at keeping rioting off the streets; everyone is too distracted consuming tech.
Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by pm90 on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @02:11PM (#18545602)
I would pay good money to test this hypothesis. I don't think its as simple as consuming tech though. I wonder how much effect cannabis legalization, opiod use etc. have on keeping a restive population dormant.
Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by noir_lord on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @04:09PM (#18546783)
Huxley or Orwell.

I think our leaders just said “why not both?”.

It’s going to be an interesting few decades.

Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by nine_k on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @01:20PM (#18545022)
Interestingly, this, and other similar curious pictures, are readily found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bretton_Woods_system

That is, once the dollar dropped the link to gold, and money could be printed, a lot if things went increasingly haywire, down to the circus of bailouts in 2008 and "quantitative easing" afterwards.

Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by pm90 on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @02:13PM (#18545625)
Oh come on. Not this argument again. Let me just say this: short of WW3 or a complete reset of the global economy, we will never, ever, ever go back to tying currency down to a commodity, ever again.
Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by turtlecloud on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @02:15AM (#18549806)
Why do you say that? Back in 2001 I couldn’t have imagined that the USA would still be in Afghanistan in 2018. But it happened. Is the US more or less likely to be in Afghanistan in 100 yrs? Idk.

What’s to say that currency won’t be tied back to commodities? What makes you so confident?

Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by _Tev on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @08:22PM (#18557353)
Because it is _even more_ stupid idea than any of the US wars in the last 20 years.
Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by logfromblammo on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @02:17PM (#18545667)
I think the consensus is that average American buying power peaked somewhere between 1970 and 1980, and it has been declining ever since.

That's plenty of time for an entire generation to be raised with an awareness that any entrepreneurial enterprise they may attempt can be crushed and consumed in short order by a competitor with the backing of the moneyed elites. If you try to manufacture a quality product in the US, and bootstrap your business, the instant you prove there is a market for it, someone will gather up some financing, knock off your product in China, and run you out of your own business. If you build a fun game app, Zynga or King or some other chop-shop with their model will instantly clone it and kill you with their marketing. If you open so much as a lemonade stand, the city will come round asking about inspections and permits.

Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by plantsbeans on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @12:50PM (#18544664)
How do you know that Americans are unusually price conscious?
Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by tracker1 on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @04:00PM (#18546671)
You generally don't have to go much further than a search on Amazon, and the shear number of knockoff products undercutting the more branded products.
Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by nopinsight on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @12:46PM (#18544612)
Large businesses have long been more efficient than small ones on average but they often could not customize their products and services to cater to each locality or niche very well.

Advancing technology has enabled a greater economy of scale as well as mass customization beyond what was possible, thus increasing the competitiveness of large businesses.

Examples include customized shoes from big brands, e-commerce recommendation algorithms taking the roles of local shopkeepers, IT systems reducing the costs and increasing the effectiveness for managing far-flung enterprises.

Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by lsc on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @12:58PM (#18544758)
So, I have a theory:

"the sharing economy"

no, seriously. I have family that ran busineses. I have run businesses. Most successful small business don't pay much better than driving for uber, and driving for uber is a lot less risk, a lot less effort. (there's also a lot less upside, but let's be honest here... making a small business that pays better than working for google that isn't just contracting, even when you have the same skills, is extremely difficult.) - if you drive for uber, at least the capital you blew is on something that is still useful after you quit the business. I know a lot of people with a bunch of branded cups and other junk from their previous failed ventures.

I mean, I had some pretty marketable skills when I started my own business, so I did better than the uber driver, but I worked hard and made like 1/4th of what I get working for other people.

The other thing is that unless you are in the business of getting funding, it's way easier to start a business when the economy is shit. In '09, nobody tried to undercut me. Now? I would not want to be in that market anymore, just 'cause there is so much competition that is willing to lose money to buy marketshare.

In '09, I was able to pick up good people who were temporarily unemployed as employees; now? if you wanna hire someone good, you are competing with people willing to pay netflix level money.

(I mean, all this, I think, is actually pretty great. But it is not so good for facilitating a small self-funded company)

Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by beckler on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @01:46PM (#18545314)
I worked with a guy who freelanced for a while, and he had an interesting observation.

When the economy is shit, most large companies outsource a lot of work because they can't afford or don't have the workers for the amount of work they have. So if your a freelancer, business can be pretty good.

When the economy is great, those same businesses try to bring all those efforts in-house, so all those contracts dry up.

Not sure how it relates with entrepreneurship, but this guy had to quit freelancing and get a full-time gig (which is how I met him) because no one was handing out the contracts he wanted anymore.

Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by westbywest on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @02:07PM (#18545557)
Vaguely similar observation from a previous employer in engineering: job health is effectively a derivative of the general economy. That is, if your job entails design/construction of something new, you job would be stable in an economy under flux, where clients have desire to hire your services. Not strictly just a growing economy, because effects like transition to new technology can also ensure stable job prospects. A stagnating or impeded economy, while possibly still ensuring stable jobs for other fields, would mean job reduction in design and engineering.
Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by pochamago on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @12:36PM (#18544478)
A few reasons I would guess at:

Business startup by necessity has gone down. It's much easier to get hired by an international company in a niche field and work from home now, so people no longer are required to start a business to work in the field of their choice

It's more difficult to start something really innovative, related to the slowdown of Moore's Law

It's more difficult to start a business in an established field, as licensing laws have come to cover so much more of the landscape. You can no longer just decide to become a barber and hang out your shingle.

Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by batty_alex on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @12:49PM (#18544637)
> It's more difficult to start a business in an established field, as licensing laws have come to cover so much more of the landscape.

In my experience, it's been a problem with banks and small business loans being hard to obtain these days. Banks want a LOT of leverage, you have to already be doing pretty well.

Folks that are already pretty well-off aren't going to take the types of risks that create small businesses.

Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by heavenlyhash on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @12:56PM (#18544737)
If either of the first two propositions was true, then we should be able to look at other first world countries around the world that should be experiencing the same pressure, and we would see a similar slump in small business creation, right?
Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by nomagicbullet on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @12:39PM (#18544526)
This is the first I hear about the "slowdown of Moore's Law." Do you have any data to share? Thx.
Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by teraflop on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @12:51PM (#18544677)
Moore's law originally stated that the number of transistors per IC would double every 18 months. For a long time this was a remarkably accurate empirical law, but it has slowed down dramatically in the last decade or so.

As an individual example: in 1998, Intel's top-of-the-line CPU was the Pentium II with about 8 million transistors. In 2008, they released the Core 2 Extreme QX9770, with about 820 million transistors; this is a 100-fold increase in 10 years, which is almost exactly what Moore's law predicts.

Fast-forward another decade to 2018, and Intel's highest-end Xeon chips have something like 7 billion transistors, which is less than a 10-fold improvement in the same timeframe.

EDIT: that said, I think it's a real stretch to go from "the slowdown of Moore's law" to a sweeping claim about innovation in general being more difficult. There are a ridiculous number of different fields in which someone could start a business; relatively few of them are dependent on enormous, ever-increasing amounts of computational power.

Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by tracker1 on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @04:05PM (#18546745)
I'd go even further to say, that we're at a point where not EVERYTHING needs to be smaller... our mobile devices are so small and difficult to hold, we're putting things on the back to make them easier to hold. They're so thin and fragile, we're putting thick cases on to protect them...

I'd love to see a production cell phone that is already thick with a relatively huge battery, more rugged case, and a slightly better protected display. I'm willing to bet there's a market for this, just based on otterbox sales, and the sales of backpack battery covers.

Similarly a home media player like the roku, shield tv or fire stick are plenty small. That has nothing to do with being able to innovate and create newer or better experiences.

Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by modeless on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @12:58PM (#18544746)
From 1987 until 2011, Intel created a new manufacturing process every 2 years like clockwork. In 2013, their 14nm process was delayed one year to 2014. The next process, 10nm, is delayed 3 years, assuming it is not delayed again before the currently planned late 2019 release.

https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/intel/process

Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by madengr on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @12:40PM (#18544536)
Health insurance costs and education savings. I'd like to hang out my shingle, but steady employment with health insurance is needed for my family of 4, along with savings for kids college and my retirement. It's all a risk mitigation.
Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by eldavido on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @05:16PM (#18547370)
My theory is returns to scale are much, much higher.

All this whiz-bang shit startups do like AI, machine learning, really even any kind of custom software or process innovation, just isn't possible when you're small. There's no scope for it.

The reason it's a bigger problem now is because we have bigger markets globally and better tools, both of which create winner-take-all effects.

20-30 years ago you might start an auto parts distribution or manufacturing business, or a niche software business, or something else. It's a lot different when you have to compete with the best of the best globally from day 1 without any of the advantages the incumbents (e.g. data, existing channels to market, established brand) can bring to bear.

Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by onetimemanytime on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @12:42PM (#18544558)
>>* Entrepreneurship is dying in America and it should concern us all.*

One angle: A lot of stuff is moving online. Good luck with Google, Facebook, Amazon having their own interest$ etc being gateways to your site. Most people will not make it, so why even try? Risk vs reward.

Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by snarf21 on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @01:44PM (#18545284)
The reward simply isn't worth the risk. Why compete against mega corp when you can invest that same money in their stock and get 10% gains? Plus, you can work normal hours, have healthcare and lower stress instead.
Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by bduerst on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @12:55PM (#18544722)
It's possible that capital isn't as readily available as it was before the great recession, as banks have tightened lending guidelines. Are there any correlations between business formations and capital availability?
Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by cityzen on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @12:49PM (#18544645)
Because America doesn't care about small businesses. John Oliver had a whole segment about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00wQYmvfhn4
Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by sjg007 on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @01:28PM (#18545105)
Student loans, high housing costs, risk aversion.
Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by siruncledrew on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @03:00PM (#18546111)
I think what's endemic among business and societal trends is an erosion of middle ground. The smaller players stall small while the bigger players swallow the medium ones. It's not rocket science to figure out this will have various implications on society, as economics play a huge role in daily life.

Using banks as an example, look at the market share of total assets over the last 20 years: https://www.peakprosperity.com/sites/default/files/users/u31...

The largest banks (JPMorgan, Citi, BoA, etc.) have decimated regional and mid-size banks while credit unions have essentially maintained the same role at the bottom. The big banks have more resources to invest in new technology and financial initiatives, thus having the ability to be market leaders and capture more money. In my opinion, digital also makes a huge difference. For example, JPMorgan is able to spend $10B on technology a year, which is more than the total assets of many small banks and credit unions. The banks that are midsize are in the hardest position because they don't have the capacity to outpace a big bank in R&D or IT, and are stuck in a position of being a lagging trend follower since they also can't spare a lot of risk tolerance. Further, it's hard to even leverage branch access and customer service as more individuals rely on digital banking to handle their finances, which actually pushes the big banks ahead in consumer satisfaction: https://assets.sourcemedia.com/dims4/default/0e422a4/2147483...

From a business side, it looks like we are headed down the path of oligopolist megacorps unless there's major changes. Money is the name of the game, and even in the startup world, the end-goal for investors is to pull off a lucrative exit (which usually means selling to a monopolistic megacorp) or IPO. Ask a megacorp CEO how much is "enough" for their business, and the goal will be to have as much as they possibly can.

I don't know if entrepreneurship is actually dying, but my speculation is it's getting tougher to build a reliable business to employ others and depend on for one's livelihood within the remaining territory left. So much has been taken over by huge companies, it's difficult to find a niche or market opportunity to feasibly "disrupt". It feels like the megacorps have already cleared the fields and claimed the land and the rest of us entrepreneurs have a choice of: i) work for the megacorp that owns everything, or, ii) try to find solace in the few options left.

Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by JohnWilcox on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @01:36PM (#18545202)
Not just entrepreneurship, but even competition itself, in a world that has seen nothing but consolidation and centralization of power and wealth over the last 20+ years as ever fewer organizations have been gobbling up and devouring and squashing any notion of competition and entrepreneurship in its infancy. It is arguably the sole model of the technology sector, the pump and dump, setting a "startup" up to appear as appealing to one of the monopolistic behemoths or titans. It's even somewhat of a model in the smaller tech company sector as free money paid for by tax dollars is sloshing around and companies are consolidating and creating ever larger conglomerates that take ever more air our of the entrepreneurial landscape.

It's not healthy, and no matter what the consequences will be, I cannot envision an outcome where any of this leads to positive things. But maybe it's just my own "bias" that I have positive associations with not being a subject to a hive mind of centralized power and control.

Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by prolikewh0a on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @12:38PM (#18544506)
>I'm worried the future will be a small handful of oligopolist mega-corps.

I think we're already here, or closer than a lot of people realize.