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Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by mrguyorama on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @12:37PM (#18544502)
The average American has so little buying power that they have become absurdly price conscious. If a big player muscles into my business, they can undercut me and ruin me with no recourse. Why would I get into that?
Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by ravenstine on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @01:02PM (#18544809)
Yet pundits on both the right and the left seem to be shouting "Ya-hoo! The economy is great!"

I don't really understand where that's coming from because it takes a minimal amount of research to figure out that the BLS unemployment statistic tells us virtually nothing(even Adam Ruins Everything covered that). Wages have been stagnant in comparison to productivity since around the 1970's(adjusted for inflation), the labor force participation rate is in decline, I don't know anyone who doesn't think housing and rent is absurd right now, Americans are buried in debt, medical care is expensive and often enters scam territory, etc.

And we're supposed to become entrepreneurs? lol

Things aren't adding up, and we're probably not going to even accept that we're in a decline until we're well into it.

Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by pm90 on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @01:37PM (#18545209)
Pundits go by statistical indicators of the economy's well being. You've provided only anecdotal evidence of grievances/complaints. EDIT: I see in another thread here you do provide factual evidence so I will retract my previous statement. My apologies.
Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by zjaffee on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @03:12PM (#18546223)
Except the American economy is far from being in decline. Healthcare costs may be up, but outcomes are far better than they had been historically. Housing costs are up, but the size of an American home is 3x larger per person than it was a 60 years ago during what people refer to the peak of American success. The third and only other real big thing whose cost has risen faster than wages is education, where it's the only clear thing whose marginal utility has not really gone up over time in the way other industries have.

The problem with much of these things is that we're on a hedonic treadmill that we refuse to get off, even as further expansion of consumerism is destroying our planet. The big problem we have is policy that has promoted a society of which economic growth and even wage gains fails to provide a meaningful improvement in peoples lives.

Policy reforms could allow for the majority of people to live in cities in relatively new buildings serviced by public transit all at a lower cost than what we have now given our current system of inflated land values and high automotive transportation costs (i.e. cost of new construction is still relatively affordable when compared to the cost of land and public transit is far cheaper to build and service than automotive infrastructure). Reforms around healthcare that currently restrict the availability of doctors and enable overcharging of medical components would go a long way as well, and lastly, reducing the overhead around university administration while restricting lending would go a long way.

tl;dr: We aren't in decline, we just need reforms around housing, healthcare and education as their costs make poor economic sense and are only high due to protectionism and loose lending/insurance laws.

Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by mrguyorama on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @03:38PM (#18546440)
You missed what they said. Yes, the economy/google/ford/big company is doing incredible. Profits are off the charts.

That however stopped translating to things being good for the average American in like the 50s

Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by cylinder on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @01:29PM (#18545117)
I had to shutter my business due to nobody having any money. Regular people could not pay my reasonable fees. Even those with seemingly decent jobs. You have to sell to big corporations.
Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by anongraddebt on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @03:23PM (#18546322)
What did you sell? Just curious.
Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by nine_k on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @12:54PM (#18544706)
Did an average American have higher buying power in 1930? In 1900?
Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by ravenstine on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @01:16PM (#18544971)
It depends on how you look at it. I don't have data that goes back that far, but the graph in this article should be of interest to everyone:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/10/03/us-wages...

Essentially, up to the 1970s, wages followed closely with productivity. Quite suddenly, wages stopped growing while productivity has continued to grow with no sign of catching up.

Take a look at this chart from the BLS:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJ9l_q6VYAERRDt.jpg

What we can take from that is while prices for certain things have declined(e.g. technology, new cars, software, toys, clothes), the price of arguably more important things (child care, medical care, college tuition, textbooks, housing, food) has gone up. Sure, we've been bearing those costs, but the maximization of profits from those expenditures will inevitably cause an adjustment when Americans can't pay for those things anymore.

Americans might technically have a higher buying power than 1900, and especially 1930, but not necessarily in every area or even the areas that are important. If we were to say that Americans have more access to food, clothing, computers, education, etc., it doesn't mean that Americans are actually paying for those things; a lot of the wealth we think we have is coming from record amounts of debt that were unseen in the early 20th century. The things that make it seem like we have more spending power than we did a century ago are being made possible by what could be a ticking time bomb.

Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by typetehcodez on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @01:37PM (#18545204)
TV's, Software, and Toys are cheaper, and notably the only categories cheaper on that chart from BLS. Well, it looks like this is good at keeping rioting off the streets; everyone is too distracted consuming tech.
Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by pm90 on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @02:11PM (#18545602)
I would pay good money to test this hypothesis. I don't think its as simple as consuming tech though. I wonder how much effect cannabis legalization, opiod use etc. have on keeping a restive population dormant.
Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by noir_lord on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @04:09PM (#18546783)
Huxley or Orwell.

I think our leaders just said “why not both?”.

It’s going to be an interesting few decades.

Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by nine_k on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @01:20PM (#18545022)
Interestingly, this, and other similar curious pictures, are readily found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bretton_Woods_system

That is, once the dollar dropped the link to gold, and money could be printed, a lot if things went increasingly haywire, down to the circus of bailouts in 2008 and "quantitative easing" afterwards.

Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by pm90 on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @02:13PM (#18545625)
Oh come on. Not this argument again. Let me just say this: short of WW3 or a complete reset of the global economy, we will never, ever, ever go back to tying currency down to a commodity, ever again.
Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by turtlecloud on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @02:15AM (#18549806)
Why do you say that? Back in 2001 I couldn’t have imagined that the USA would still be in Afghanistan in 2018. But it happened. Is the US more or less likely to be in Afghanistan in 100 yrs? Idk.

What’s to say that currency won’t be tied back to commodities? What makes you so confident?

Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by _Tev on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @08:22PM (#18557353)
Because it is _even more_ stupid idea than any of the US wars in the last 20 years.
Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by logfromblammo on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @02:17PM (#18545667)
I think the consensus is that average American buying power peaked somewhere between 1970 and 1980, and it has been declining ever since.

That's plenty of time for an entire generation to be raised with an awareness that any entrepreneurial enterprise they may attempt can be crushed and consumed in short order by a competitor with the backing of the moneyed elites. If you try to manufacture a quality product in the US, and bootstrap your business, the instant you prove there is a market for it, someone will gather up some financing, knock off your product in China, and run you out of your own business. If you build a fun game app, Zynga or King or some other chop-shop with their model will instantly clone it and kill you with their marketing. If you open so much as a lemonade stand, the city will come round asking about inspections and permits.

Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by plantsbeans on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @12:50PM (#18544664)
How do you know that Americans are unusually price conscious?
Re:Farm bankruptcies on the rise according to new Fed report by tracker1 on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @04:00PM (#18546671)
You generally don't have to go much further than a search on Amazon, and the shear number of knockoff products undercutting the more branded products.