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Re:Amazon’s own ‘Machine Learning University’ now available ... by coltonv on Monday November 26, 2018 @01:00PM (#18535363)
That's not true, putting a product I've already ordered on my recommended list instead of something i actually want to buy is costing them money in lost sales.
Re:Amazon’s own ‘Machine Learning University’ now available ... by nerdponx on Monday November 26, 2018 @03:42PM (#18536617)
From Amazon's perspective, it doesn't have to work for you; it has to work on average.
Re:Amazon’s own ‘Machine Learning University’ now available ... by citilife on Monday November 26, 2018 @09:22PM (#18538795)
In that case, it may be better to just put the hot new item in a category they know you purchase in. For instance, if I have a subscription to paper towels, maybe they should send me a subscription recommendation for toilet paper.
Re:Amazon’s own ‘Machine Learning University’ now available ... by dodobirdlord on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @01:06AM (#18539866)
I'm sure someone thought to A/B test the recommendation engine against the whatever-happens-to-be-selling-right-now engine and the recommendation engine won.
Re:Amazon’s own ‘Machine Learning University’ now available ... by bane on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @12:33AM (#18539697)
An AUC of .5 isn't considered good in ML
Re:Amazon’s own ‘Machine Learning University’ now available ... by TheCoelacanth on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @06:05AM (#18541308)
That very much depends on the domain. In this case, I suspect it would be considered phenomenally good since a human would achieve a much lower number. Conversion rates for web ads created by humans are typically not more than a few percent.
Re:Amazon’s own ‘Machine Learning University’ now available ... by dkokelley on Monday November 26, 2018 @02:03PM (#18535878)
Amazon also doesn't know if this is a single use or consumable item. Some things have significant marginal utility beyond 1, and others can be consumed and need to be reordered. (Charging cables, Amazon echo for multiple rooms, paper goods, etc.)
Re:Amazon’s own ‘Machine Learning University’ now available ... by FireBeyond on Monday November 26, 2018 @03:13PM (#18536404)
How often do I buy a HP Color LaserJet printer, versus toner cartridges for it? Or ink for another printer of which it has no evidence that I own)?

Yet I bought a color laser printer and my first two pages of recommendations are for other variations on the same ("Hey, you bought the wired MFP! Perhaps you want the wireless too! And I know it's a HP printer, but maybe I can suggest some Brother toner for you!").

Re:Amazon’s own ‘Machine Learning University’ now available ... by dkokelley on Monday November 26, 2018 @06:21PM (#18537755)
You're correct that Amazon should be smarter about some recommendations. I'd say give them the benefit of the doubt in that they may have found an algorithm that works most of the time (or at least when it comes to their bottom line), but edge-cases stand out to us.

Still though, there could be a method to the madness. You bought a printer - are you setting up a home office? Perhaps you want a second printer for upstairs?

Also, you just bought an HP brand printer. Were you replacing a printer that just ran out of ink? Maybe THAT printer was a Brother printer. Perhaps this Brother ink cartridge can extend the life of the hypothetical printer you may be replacing...

My point is that I can contrive cases where the recommendations might make sense - not to you, specifically, but to a large enough cross-section of consumers.

Re:Amazon’s own ‘Machine Learning University’ now available ... by SOLAR_FIELDS on Monday November 26, 2018 @09:24PM (#18538808)
I don’t doubt there are entire divisions in Amazon that draw statistical correlations and do A/B testing to figure out what annoying emails work. Just like any other marketing agency. So you can be sure that any annoying email you get is the probably the result of years of metrics.
Re:Amazon’s own ‘Machine Learning University’ now available ... by zwily on Monday November 26, 2018 @08:04PM (#18538389)
Bad example, because printers often are consumables. ;)
Re:Amazon’s own ‘Machine Learning University’ now available ... by smsm42 on Monday November 26, 2018 @08:57PM (#18538664)
If you buy the printer that is "consumable" more than once, you deserve it :)
Re:Amazon’s own ‘Machine Learning University’ now available ... by wrUS61 on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @01:45AM (#18540058)
You made my day :)
Re:Amazon’s own ‘Machine Learning University’ now available ... by zwily on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @12:11PM (#18553287)
Agreed.
Re:Amazon’s own ‘Machine Learning University’ now available ... by gweinberg on Monday November 26, 2018 @02:29PM (#18536096)
They should have a pretty good idea which items get reordered a lot and which don't. They've got plenty of data.
Re:Amazon’s own ‘Machine Learning University’ now available ... by swsieber on Monday November 26, 2018 @04:45PM (#18537088)
Amazon should know - can't it munge peoples shopping records to spot patterns.

Like mentioned in a sibling comment, I bet Amazon could very easily deduce that toner is sold a lot more often than actual printers.

Re:Amazon’s own ‘Machine Learning University’ now available ... by NicoJuicy on Monday November 26, 2018 @02:29PM (#18536103)
Yes, they do. Customer patterns on that product
Re:Amazon’s own ‘Machine Learning University’ now available ... by cwyers on Monday November 26, 2018 @11:01PM (#18539232)
They could use some of this vaunted machine learning to figure it out.
Re:Amazon’s own ‘Machine Learning University’ now available ... by afthonos on Monday November 26, 2018 @01:33PM (#18535654)
That’s assuming those are the alternatives. If the alternative is instead to show you something you’ve already ordered or nothing, the odds of you ordering again if you see the thing you’ve ordered already are small, but nonzero.
Re:Amazon’s own ‘Machine Learning University’ now available ... by bduerst on Monday November 26, 2018 @01:55PM (#18535812)
That's a false dichotomy. There's a number of things they can show you, not just reorder or nothing.

In a perfect world for targeting sales, they will predict and show you exactly what it is you want to buy next. Repurchasing is just a very lazy way of predicting what you'll buy next.

Re:Amazon’s own ‘Machine Learning University’ now available ... by ojilles on Monday November 26, 2018 @02:04PM (#18535881)
I'm not afthonos, but I think his/her point is that they may not be able to predict exactly what it is you want to buy.

(I find it super annoying, too; but that doesn't mean folks have figured out purchase reco's at scale)

Re:Amazon’s own ‘Machine Learning University’ now available ... by coltonv on Monday November 26, 2018 @05:24PM (#18537400)
If the chance I'm going to buy something that I've already bought again is close to 0, and it's not smart enough to find anything else for me that it thinks I should buy, then logically it should show me random things. That way I'm training the algorithm for them and maybe I'll find something I want.
Re:Amazon’s own ‘Machine Learning University’ now available ... by afthonos on Saturday December 01, 2018 @12:58AM (#18575477)
Logically, they will show you whatever is most likely to generate revenue (possibly amortized over time). As long as the probability of you reordering is higher than that if you buying a random item out of millions (and those odds are tiny to begin with), the logical thing to do is to show you the item you already ordered.
Re:Amazon’s own ‘Machine Learning University’ now available ... by ryanmarsh on Monday November 26, 2018 @08:45PM (#18538612)
People buy a lot of consumable products on Amazon. People buy a lot of things and realize how much they like and would like another for another room in the house or something. You aren't thinking broadly enough here.