News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by chadash on Friday November 02, 2018 @02:40PM (#18365541)
I think their biggest innovation is making devices where everything just works. Look no further than any two year old who has been exposed to an iPad to see that their interfaces are super-intuitive. Plus, unlike most manufactures, they control all the hardware plus the software, so they can make sure that the entire experience is seamless.
Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by hyperbovine on Friday November 02, 2018 @02:51PM (#18365640)
I do agree with this. When I was younger I would happily blow a whole weekend getting my window manager set just so or figuring out how to load load songs onto my Diamond Rio from RedHat. Now I’m middle aged and I’m willing to pay all sorts of $$ to have it just work in a sensible way. And work it does — nothing in android or windows land even comes close. It’s surprising how many comments I see here that are completely oblivious to this and insist on trashing apple for being “not free”. The market has spoken. Almost no one cares.
Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by msla on Friday November 02, 2018 @05:40PM (#18366991)
Interesting: I used to use what you use now, and I gave it up when I realized I was spending too much time re-training, learning the latest UI fads, and not getting any real work done. No consistency, no backwards-compatibility, just the upgrade treadmill. Now that I'm an adult, it isn't worth chasing that anymore, and I'm on Linux now.

Window Maker hasn't changed in a very long time.

Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by rorykoehler on Friday November 02, 2018 @10:32PM (#18368330)
I have both android and ios devices. Android is far superior for file management. Ios is a joke in that regard. Folders weren't broken but somehow ios managed to break them. Now if I want to save a random file on my ipad I have to choose a directory related to some unrelated app!? Why can't I just create a directory like I do on every other device I own?
Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by hellisothers on Saturday November 03, 2018 @05:01PM (#18372464)
why are you trying to “manage files”? More control comes at the expense of ease of use (generally) it seems like, if you can’t give up one you won’t get the other
Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by rorykoehler on Saturday November 03, 2018 @09:07PM (#18373428)
Because I need to reference files quickly on the go and can't risk not being able to access them due to poor/no internet connectivity. I also want to be able to save files that ios doesn't provide a way to save (eg download YouTube) and have now found a third party app that lets me do that. Should be a core part of ios. ITunes is shit.
Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by wlesieutre on Friday November 02, 2018 @03:00PM (#18365729)
100% agreed. People are complaining online about how the new Mac Mini is priced, but they're not just selling a computer. It's a whole ecosystem of things of mostly reliable stuff that works well with each other. They can put a price premium for the quality of their software ecosystem, which keeps getting better.

Being able to use your phone as a camera to take a photo directly into a document in Pages on your computer is a pretty cool trick.

Having your airpods pairing sync between your devices and easily jump to the device you're using is really well done (from what I hear, I don't have them myself).

A phone getting more than two years of software updates may not be flashy, but I'm more interested in that than anything else that phone manufacturers are doing.

Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by scarface74 on Friday November 02, 2018 @03:04PM (#18365764)
100% agreed. People are complaining online about how the new Mac Mini is priced, but they're not just selling a computer. It's a whole ecosystem of things of mostly reliable stuff that works well with each other.

The old Mac Mini started at $499 with a slow processor even when it was new, a slow hard drive and 4GB of RAM. That was a configuration that no one should have bought. The cheapest previous Mac Mini that anyone should have bought was $699.

Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by bsder on Friday November 02, 2018 @07:20PM (#18367524)
A lot of people buy the Mac Mini because it is the cheapest way to do iPhone development.
Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by scarface74 on Friday November 02, 2018 @07:24PM (#18367543)
You really don’t want to run XCode with 4GB of RAM
Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by Apocryphon on Friday November 02, 2018 @03:04PM (#18365757)
All of that stuff is great, and does not explain why the Mac Mini, an entry-level Apple computer, is somehow proportionally worth $300 more than it used to be.
Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by fetus8 on Friday November 02, 2018 @03:12PM (#18365829)
Well, it's going from a laptop based dual core CPU, to a desktop based quadcore CPU. Not a great reason to increase the price dramatically, but it is a big difference in terms of performance.

The other thing I think people are failing to realize, is who is the Mac Mini for? It used to be for Windows switchers who wanted to plug in a small box to their existing mouse/keyboard/monitor situation. It was an introduction to the world of OS X. Nowadays, who uses the Mac Mini? Developers who need to compile in Xcode, and probably some creatives. The device serves a much different purpose nowadays, since most of your casual Apple users can get away with an iPad or a MB/MBA.

Personally, the new Mac Mini really appeals to me, regardless of price. I've been using a 2012 era mac mini machine, and the current bottle neck is the CPU. If I can spend $700 today, and have a capable macOS device for another 6-7 years, with some RAM upgrades, I think that's well worth it.

Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by yesenadam on Friday November 02, 2018 @07:10PM (#18367484)
I use one from 2006 or so. Was planning to get a 'new' 2012 one sometime soon. :-) Now, not sure which to get! I just like them. (You sure picked me - its my first Mac, am a programmer/'creative')
Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by lotsofpulp on Friday November 02, 2018 @03:21PM (#18365904)
It's worth more because people are voluntarily paying more. If it wasn't worth $300 more, then people would by paying less for the alternative, but there isn't one. The amount of hours I've wasted on Windows and lost productivity makes me not even think about price when buying something from Apple.
Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by wlesieutre on Friday November 02, 2018 @03:44PM (#18366096)
Yeah, I've had Windows 10 uninstall my GPU drivers and replace them with 6-month old ones that don't work. I know they're supporting a bizarre variety of different hardware, but regardless of the reasons the software reliability isn't there.

Granted there's some tradeoff with repairs, if your Mac dies you probably can't go on Newegg, get a replacement part, and have it fixed yourself in 2 days. But that tradeoff has worked out well for me so far.

Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by scarface74 on Friday November 02, 2018 @03:07PM (#18365785)
The $499 Mac Mini came with 4GB of RAM, a 5400 rpm hard drive and had a 1.4Ghz CPU.

A usable Mac Mini was at least $699.

Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by colinjoy on Friday November 02, 2018 @05:35PM (#18366963)
Bought a couple of the old base level minis for a DTP shop back then (more RAM / IO bound than CPU). They allowed for installing 16GB of cheap commodity RAM and 2x 2.5” drives which netted you a decent 1.5 TB Fusion Drive. Good days. Today, with improved vendor lock-in for essential components, you’re looking at 2k+ for an equivalent spec. No thanks :)
Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by scarface74 on Friday November 02, 2018 @06:15PM (#18367183)
The RAM is user upgradeable, and an external SSD drive connected to TB3 is not going to exactly be slow.

If you are so inclined you can use an eGPU something you couldn’t do on any previous Mac Mini.

Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by wlesieutre on Friday November 02, 2018 @04:24PM (#18366404)
That was 4 years ago, so that was probably as reasonable an amount of memory as 8 GB is today. And the Macbook Airs start at a 1.6 GHz dual core, so Apple isn't above using slower processors in new products. It'll work fine for some people.

The SSD is non-negotiable today though, I'll give you that one.

Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by 2muchcoffeeman on Friday November 02, 2018 @04:34PM (#18366485)
4Gb is good for a media server and not much else.
Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by wlesieutre on Friday November 02, 2018 @06:50PM (#18367364)
Between memory compression and very fast SSDs, I bet you could do it. Especially if you aren’t running a bunch of Chrome/Electron stuff like developers tend to.

Of course a lot of the target market for Macs like that would be better served by iPads now.

Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by scarface74 on Friday November 02, 2018 @07:22PM (#18367534)
The 4GB Macs in question were using slow 5400 rpm hard drives.

But, until two months ago, I was using a circa 2009 Core 2 Duo 2.66Ghz laptop with 4GB of RAM with an external USB drive running Windows 10 as a Plex Server. It could do one or two streams depending on the bit rate. It could not do a 4K stream.

Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by seba_dos1 on Friday November 02, 2018 @04:55PM (#18366664)
They control all the hardware plus the software, yet the results are way more unimpressive than what I'd expect from that. I have bought an iPhone to port my game engine to iOS and setting it up was an unpleasant experience full of little annoying (although harmless) little glitches. Even LineageOS felt better that that, I honestly expected it the other way around - as I'm a Maemo user that got both Android and iOS phones only for development purposes, I tried them both at approximately the same time and could directly compare.
Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by rifung on Friday November 02, 2018 @03:08PM (#18365797)
This is so true. People keep comparing the specs with competitors but they're missing the point.

Apple's strength, be it when they are doing it well or not, has always been UX.

Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by ogn3rd on Friday November 02, 2018 @04:41PM (#18366554)
Man, I wish I had what you have, because it doesn't "just work". Hook us up with some of that.
Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by nikofeyn on Friday November 02, 2018 @02:54PM (#18365667)
there is very little seamless about the newest apple products, especially their software interfaces. i still have no idea what is happening with icloud or their files application or their gesture language. it is all very confusing. and just works? i actually don't own a single apple product that didn't have a major hardware failure within the first few years.

back when it was mac os x versus windows xp, sure, apple was well ahead of everyone else. that isn't true anymore, but people still claim it.

Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by msla on Friday November 02, 2018 @03:31PM (#18365985)
> I think their biggest innovation is making devices where everything just works.

Unless you're holding it wrong.

Or trying to use it in some way contrary to corporate policy.

Or trying to fix it.

In the last two cases, you realize the rest of that aphorism: It Just Works For Apple.