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Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by izzydata on Friday November 02, 2018 @02:26PM (#18365417)
All those terrible things would be fine if people stopped buying them. You vote for what you want with money and if people are willing to buy terrible things then they will continue making it.
Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by lotsofpulp on Friday November 02, 2018 @02:28PM (#18365441)
People aren't buying terrible things, they're buying the best thing available to them.

Edit: Samsung/Microsoft/Google are free to come up with their own ecosystem and quality hardware devices that don't have the drawbacks that Apple's do. But for some reason they don't.

Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by izzydata on Friday November 02, 2018 @02:50PM (#18365627)
The idea that people think there is no better / equivalent alternative is an issue. Why people are willing to begrudgingly spend thousands on something without doing research doesn't make a lot of sense.
Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by bepotts on Friday November 02, 2018 @03:04PM (#18365759)
Because people want it? I don't understand why tech people can't understand the most obvious of actions. Apple is popular because people love their products.

Apple may not always have the specs or work best with non-Apple services, but Apple products are consistently high quality, integrate nicely into Apple's ecosystem, and are brand that shows its owners are a certain type of class. Signifying you're of a certain type of class or are "hip" seems to be what so many tech people get hung up upon yet its basic consumerism.

Certain types of people wear Nike clothes or wear Ralph Lauren, or drive a Tesla. Showing you're a HENRY (High Earner; Not Rich Yet) is apart of Apple's appeal.

So no, people know there are Apple alternatives but they don't care because Apple has an appeal that other tech companies have trouble emulating on top of constantly being high quality products. There's almost no Apple product that is "bottom of the barrel" in terms of quality.

Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by notmyaccount on Friday November 02, 2018 @08:04PM (#18367743)
Apple processors always blow away the competitors by miles and it takes them the competitors up to a year to catch up. They have amazing cameras, music quality, build, looks, display, security, etc. If they aren't the best, they are in the top 3. And that is all in 1 phone.

I do not personally prefer Apple cause it is not my cup of tea (and I need headphone jack) but they have been coming up with amazing phones year after year, and you can easily skip a year without it affecting your usage.

They cannot reinvent the wheel every time.

Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by dingaling on Saturday November 03, 2018 @03:31AM (#18369153)
> They have amazing cameras

Apple don't make camera sensors, yet.

Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by ichicoro on Saturday November 03, 2018 @08:44AM (#18369929)
A camera isn't just a sensor, it's the complete package, and software plays a very big role in making any sensor take great photos.
Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by matwood on Friday November 02, 2018 @03:03PM (#18365744)
I do research and my couple forays into Android, while less expensive, were not good experiences. Admittedly my last Android phone was a Nexus 5, so maybe I should look again?

The problem is after other poor experiences I will only get a Google phone. The Pixel 3 XL with 128gb is $999. A new iPhone Xs is 1249 for the 256gb. Is taking yet another chance on Android worth $250? How well will that Pixel 3 XL even be supported?

It just isn't as simple as no one does any research.

Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by rkho on Friday November 02, 2018 @05:48PM (#18367039)
Exactly this.

I've made four attempts to consider an Android ecosystem and have owned the following:

Nexus 4, Nexus 5, Note 5, and Pixel 2XL.

The Nexus/Pixel phone hardware were fine, but I found that the software ecosystem was heavily lacking. I got the impression that to the majority of Android devs, UX was the last thing they cared about.

The Note 5 on the other hand was one of the most disrespectful, anti-consumer experiences I had ever encountered since ditching a dumbphone years ago. The carrier I used (Verizon) felt it was appropriate to plaster its own logo on the back of the phone and in a loading splash screen when powering on the phone, plus preload the phone with a bunch of useless apps that could not be uninstalled.

Every single time that I've purchased an Android device hoping that it was finally good enough, I've ended up carrying my iPhone as a secondary device within a week and either returning or throwing the Android device in the drawer within a month.

Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by izzydata on Friday November 02, 2018 @03:27PM (#18365959)
The negatives were mainly concerning their desktop / laptop designs and business model of said desktop / laptops.
Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by nradov on Friday November 02, 2018 @02:57PM (#18365705)
Often there really is no better / equivalent alternative. If you have a specific need for a particular feature then there may be only a few devices with offer it at all. So as a consumer you have a choice between buying crap or nothing at all. There's no economic way to signal that you'd be willing to pay for something better.
Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by Scown on Friday November 02, 2018 @03:06PM (#18365781)
What if people know they're not getting the fastest/biggest/best but pay a premium anyway? It might be a trope but "it just works" is a heck of a value proposition for most people.
Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by gaius on Friday November 02, 2018 @02:40PM (#18365546)
But for some reason they don't.

Microsoft are adding headphones to the Surface range very soon, early reviews are very positive.

Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by sanketskasar on Friday November 02, 2018 @03:22PM (#18365918)
And then my laptop/tablet crashes with every update. Not to mention, they are priced similarly, yet they somehow sell less reliable devices. Contrary to that, I've been using my 2012 MacBook Pro non-retina and iPhone SE with public beta for over two years now, and they haven't crashed even once.
Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by bepotts on Friday November 02, 2018 @03:08PM (#18365795)
Windows just isn't cool, no matter how hard Microsoft tries to rebrand it. It'll never be cool until Microsoft does something to not make it ubiquitous.

Windows is what you use when you're a kid at a public school or have parents that don't have the money to buy a Mac. Macs and iPhones are trendy because not everyone owns them, they're really nice, and they're pricey.

Windows is like Wal-mart while Apple is Whole Foods.

Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by lotsofpulp on Friday November 02, 2018 @03:11PM (#18365824)
Windows isn't cool because of BSODs, constant restarts and waiting for it to update, and Candy Crush advertisements in the start menu. And the hibernate/sleep function worked terribly (at least for the longest time, don't know if it's fixed now), compared to Apple's fold down the screen when you want to go and open it back up to what you were doing and it works all the time.
Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by bepotts on Friday November 02, 2018 @03:14PM (#18365847)
That too.

Microsoft allows venders with terrible design teams to sell their product and customers associate Windows with these product lines. Microsoft cannot control their brand.

Apple controls the entire stack so they're able to constantly deliver a quality experience.

If all Windows machines were like the Surface Book then this conversation would be different.

Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by Wowfunhappy on Friday November 02, 2018 @03:32PM (#18365994)
But Microsoft themselves is now the one putting candy crush ads on the start menu, and forcing everyone into a two-major-upgrades-per-year cycle that's causing so many headaches.
Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by sleepybrett on Friday November 02, 2018 @04:26PM (#18366423)
Lets also not forget the shell is so shit that they finally started shipping the linux subsystem.

Honestly I would have gone to primarily linux instead of mac years ago if osx hadn't been what it is (bsd/*nix).

Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by scarface74 on Friday November 02, 2018 @03:16PM (#18365861)
40%+ of smart phones sold in the US are iPhones There is no exclusivity in owning an iPhone.
Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by rwc on Friday November 02, 2018 @04:27PM (#18366435)
Tell that to people who deride their “green bubble friends”
Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by Green_man on Friday November 02, 2018 @02:34PM (#18365496)
edit: Apple isn't the best choice. (previously: I think it's increasingly obvious that for everyone except osx stans, it's not the best choice available)

and it hasn't been for a long time. Apple was at their peak imo with the MacBook pro a generation or two back. They took out the disk drive (everyone said that was radical, but hadn't used it in years) and worked with the single piece of aluminum. Nowadays, that's not just familiar, it's pedestrian. There's plenty of options in the PC world that have that. What has apple done since? Removed magsafe and usb a??? Made the worst laptop keyboard to be on a flagship in memory?

It used to be that Apple was the only place you could get great design, a phenomenal screen, and good battery life in the same package. But other manufacturers (especially Dell, Lenovo, and Microsoft) have seriously stepped up.

Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by d35007 on Friday November 02, 2018 @02:55PM (#18365677)
> I think it's increasingly obvious that for everyone except osx stans, it's not the best choice available, and it hasn't been for a long time

The problem with arguments like this is that they're self-reinforcing. If I try to refute it, you'll just peg me as an "osxistan" (is that a country?) and say I've proven you right.

Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by Green_man on Friday November 02, 2018 @03:49PM (#18366142)
thats a fair criticism, i'll consider rewording (stan is a reference to a superfan of eminems, from his song stan). alternatively, you could of course explain why you think apple laptops are the best choice still in 2018(if that's how you feel), its not as if i didn't have some reasoning in my comment that you are free to clash with.
Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by vogon_laureate on Friday November 02, 2018 @04:37PM (#18366512)
I have a Macbook Pro with touch bar and a Dell XPS. Windows seems to have endless updates and little control over them. Drivers are a pain, bios updates seem to be really important. Blue screens. Unreliable Bluetooth. I've had dell support need to replace almost everything in that machine. And this is supposed to be one of the best Windows laptops.

After six months of struggle with the Dell, I got a MBP. I actually love the keyboard. The speakers are amazing. The trackpad is the industry best. Bluetooth works perfectly. The screen is gorgeous, the build quality is unmatched, and Mac OS is intuitive, clutter free, and stable.

Night and day difference between them.

Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by Green_man on Friday November 02, 2018 @05:37PM (#18366976)
I think windows updates are the worst part of windows, with apple, it seems to be fanfare to new features, with occasional bugs, but with windows, its not communicated to the user what's being fixed, or how long it will take until it begins. the experiance with the dell bluescreen on a new machine is unacceptable, full stop. at the same time, i'd be terrified of the possibility of the macbook pro keyboard bricking at any time. do you miss USB A?
Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by d35007 on Friday November 02, 2018 @06:10PM (#18367160)
> its not as if i didn't have some reasoning in my comment that you are free to clash with

I could have, but I didn't see much reason to because you didn't seem open to a discussion. You preemptively dismissed any argument by implying that anyone who disagrees with you is a "osx stan".

> alternatively, you could of course explain why you think apple laptops are the best choice still in 2018(if that's how you feel)

I do feel that Apple laptops are the best choice _for me_. I don't much care what laptop you use. I think everyone should pick the tools that work best for them. We don't have to be on the same platform to collaborate.

My main reason for choosing Apple laptops is macOS, but I also think the hardware is very good. Expensive, but very good.

Re:Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It’s Mainly a Landlord by sbuk on Friday November 02, 2018 @04:44PM (#18366571)
It’s a pointless discussion. We’d be better off playing tic-tac-toe to decide who is “right”. What is “the best” isn’t a factual thing, it’s a preference.