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Re:Apple finally announces an overhauled Mac mini by 3dfan on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @11:08AM (#18337226)
Is it possible / does it make sense to use this as a Debian machine?
Re:Apple finally announces an overhauled Mac mini by heartbreak on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @11:10AM (#18337251)
If you want a mini-ITX form factor Debian machine, you're probably better off skipping the Apple tax and building one yourself. Pros of this Mac mini appear to include: seamlessly runs macOS and high build quality. The internal components (with the exception of specific Apple chips) are commodity. So if you don't want macOS support, you can just make it yourself.
Re:Apple finally announces an overhauled Mac mini by m_mueller on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @11:22AM (#18337410)
disk en-/decryption on the T2 chip would be interesting feature that you're missing out on - or is that kinda thing also commodity nowadays through accelerator cards?
Re:Apple finally announces an overhauled Mac mini by TazeTSchnitzel on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @11:32AM (#18337562)
Do you really need special hardware support? Apple's older FDE using Intel's AES-NI instructions available on all their CPUs was plenty fast.
Re:Apple finally announces an overhauled Mac mini by mark-r on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @12:15PM (#18338205)
Where would you find the software for the T2 chip without using macOS?
Re:Apple finally announces an overhauled Mac mini by wmf on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @11:47AM (#18337814)
Most SSDs support Opal although good luck finding Linux distro support for it.
Re:Apple finally announces an overhauled Mac mini by mmjaa on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @11:14AM (#18337310)
Wouldn't the T2 security chip mean an end to putting non-MacOS operating systems on Apples hardware? Honest question .. I don't know the answer .. but it seems like this is going to be a hurdle for Linux on Apple hardware going forward.

EDIT: from another thread discussing Apples release today:

>You can install Linux, if you can accept that a lot of functionality does not work. Even on most MacBook Pro 2016 models audio, suspend/hibernate, and WiFi don't work.

https://github.com/Dunedan/mbp-2016-linux

Re:Apple finally announces an overhauled Mac mini by saagarjha on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @11:19AM (#18337362)
You can install Linux. Hardware not working is not a result of the T2 chip, since the 2016 MacBook Pro doesn’t have one.
Re:Apple finally announces an overhauled Mac mini by Dunedan on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @02:44PM (#18340038)
A result of the T2 chip is, that you can't access the SSD under Linux yet, which makes running Linux on it pretty pointless.
Re:Apple finally announces an overhauled Mac mini by saagarjha on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @02:54PM (#18340134)
The fundamental issue, that of Apple allowing you to boot alternative operating systems, is solved. The other problem of figuring out how to talk to the SSD is more of a technical (if important) issue.
Re:Apple finally announces an overhauled Mac mini by Dunedan on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @02:48PM (#18340083)
In theory you should be able to install alternative operating systems by disabling "secure boot", but at least with Linux that isn't working properly yet. Trying to use the NVMe controller results in reboots, caused by the T2 chip. It's not clear so far if that's intended, a bug in the software running on the T2 chip, a bug in the NVMe implementation in Linux or if there is some logic necessary to properly initialize the T2 chip.
Re:Apple finally announces an overhauled Mac mini by teekert on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @11:10AM (#18337256)
Perhaps but why pay the Apple premium just for the case design when you can also opt for something like https://www.pcworld.com/article/3267074/computers/intel-hade...
Re:Apple finally announces an overhauled Mac mini by juergbi on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @11:18AM (#18337350)
There is no NUC with a 6C/12T i7, though. An important question is whether the Mac mini will throttle the i7 much for thermal reasons.
Re:Apple finally announces an overhauled Mac mini by rjsw on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @11:22AM (#18337407)
I recently added a new heatsink to an older AMD CPU, hadn't realized how much it was being throttled previously.

Do any NUCs use the case as a heatsink ?

Re:Apple finally announces an overhauled Mac mini by bitL on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @12:54PM (#18338721)
You can get some aftermarket cases like from e.g. Akasa that are one big heatsink.
Re:Apple finally announces an overhauled Mac mini by snazz on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @11:15AM (#18337323)
I haven't tried running a Linux distro on any Mac with the T2 chip, but that might be a challenge if that chip is used for authenticating the boot process or something like that. Additionally, the fact that the thing is brand-new means that it might be a while before some of it works with Linux.
Re:Apple finally announces an overhauled Mac mini by saagarjha on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @11:17AM (#18337342)
You should be able to install Linux by disabling verified boot.
Re:Apple finally announces an overhauled Mac mini by Dunedan on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @02:43PM (#18340031)
Nope, at least not yet, as the NVMe controller in the T2 chip doesn't work with Linux yet. See https://github.com/Dunedan/mbp-2016-linux/issues/71 for details.
Re:Apple finally announces an overhauled Mac mini by cestith on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @02:46PM (#18340066)
https://system76.com/cart/configure/meer3b is probably a better choice unless you need the 64GB.
Re:Apple finally announces an overhauled Mac mini by kristianp on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @06:21PM (#18341768)
That's only 7th gen processors though.
Re:Apple finally announces an overhauled Mac mini by cestith on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @07:25PM (#18350076)
Fair enough. They have 8th gen in their laptops but they haven't refreshed the Meerkat in a bit.