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Re:Wikileaks' Assange says Ecuador seeking to end his asylum by cstejerean on Monday October 29, 2018 @03:17PM (#18330384)
So he’s suing the government of Ecuador because of “new rules, which require him to pay for medical bills, phone calls and clean up after his pet cat”. I don’t know, those rules sound pretty reasonable to me. Why wasn’t he cleaning up after his pet cat in the first place?

And that’s the evidence that they are trying to kick him out? Suing to challenge these rules certainly won’t help with the government’s good will.

Re:Wikileaks' Assange says Ecuador seeking to end his asylum by icebraining on Monday October 29, 2018 @03:24PM (#18330450)
Did you read the actual memo? Point 24, just as an example, prevents him from doing any activities that might be considered political.

To me, reading the various restrictions, it seems pretty obvious that they're designed to give them as excuse to kick him out, and the lawsuit is just a way to buy some time.

Re:Wikileaks' Assange says Ecuador seeking to end his asylum by dragonwriter on Monday October 29, 2018 @03:45PM (#18330650)
> Point 24, just as an example, prevents him from doing any activities that might be considered political.

No, he can participate in Ecuadorian politics all he wants, it merely prohibits him from interfering in other State’s politics; such interference violates international law when conducted from a diplomatic outpost, and Ecuador is obliged by international law to prevent it.

Re:Wikileaks' Assange says Ecuador seeking to end his asylum by boomboomsubban on Monday October 29, 2018 @04:31PM (#18331091)
Stopping him from voicing his opinion is also a violation of international law, refugees are guranteed the right to free expression.

I'm also unclear as to what law you say they're violating. At most, I can see them put in a situation where Britain doesn't respect Assange's diplomatic immunity, and we are well past that point.

Re:Wikileaks' Assange says Ecuador seeking to end his asylum by dragonwriter on Monday October 29, 2018 @04:48PM (#18331270)
> I'm also unclear as to what law you say they're violating.

Article 41, Sec. 3 of the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations (and, depending on the degree of responsibility diplomatic staff have in contributing to Assange’s actions, possibly also Sec. 1 of the same article.)

> I can see them put in a situation where Britain doesn't respect Assange's diplomatic immunity,

Assange has never had diplomatic immunity; the issue is Ecuador allowing it's embassy to be used in a manner inconsistent with its diplomatic purpose, which, yes, is well past the point of an individual proposed diplomat being rejected by the receiving state.

Re:Wikileaks' Assange says Ecuador seeking to end his asylum by boomboomsubban on Monday October 29, 2018 @08:28PM (#18332965)
As you say, Assange has never received the privileges and immunities, so I don't see how he can be expected to stay out of politics.

From my perspective, it seems an embassy's right to hold a refugee was shown in the Noriega affair. If they are allowed to shelter a refugee without losing their diplomatic rights, I don't see how they can apply diplomatic law to him.

Re:Wikileaks' Assange says Ecuador seeking to end his asylum by icebraining on Monday October 29, 2018 @07:04PM (#18332452)
In what way is hosting Assange and allowing him to blog "incompatible with the functions of the mission as laid down in the present Convention or by other rules of general international law or by any special agreements in force between [Equador and the UK]" ?
Re:Wikileaks' Assange says Ecuador seeking to end his asylum by dragonwriter on Monday October 29, 2018 @07:14PM (#18332522)
Hosting him is (probably) not, in and of itself.

Allowing him to blog per se also not.

Allowing him to blog (and, even moreso materially supporting him in so doing) in a manner directed at influencing the internal politics of the UK, however, is, because such interference (aside from any participation in it being expressly prohibited to protected diplomatic personnel by Sec. 1 of Art. 41) is universally understood in international law to be incompatible with the function of a diplomatic outpost.

Re:Wikileaks' Assange says Ecuador seeking to end his asylum by vntok on Monday October 29, 2018 @03:56PM (#18330759)
Sounds pretty reasonable.
Re:Wikileaks' Assange says Ecuador seeking to end his asylum by stale2002 on Monday October 29, 2018 @04:15PM (#18330934)
Umm, excuse me, but your post here sounds political.

By doing so, you are interfering in other State's politics.

Perhaps you should be arrested for this political post.

Re:Wikileaks' Assange says Ecuador seeking to end his asylum by ascorbic on Monday October 29, 2018 @04:20PM (#18330986)
That makes total sense, assuming dragonwriter is posting it from a diplomatic post. If not, then I'm not sure what your point is.
Re:Wikileaks' Assange says Ecuador seeking to end his asylum by stale2002 on Monday October 29, 2018 @05:11PM (#18331514)
Your argument is seriously that it should not be ok for people who are in an embassy to engage in speech?

Is that seriously what you believe? Do you not see how absolutely ridiculous it is to criminalize political speech?

This is political speech that we are talking about here. I cannot think of a single thing that is more important to protect than political speech. It is quite literally the most important human right in existence, because if you don't have that right, you lose the rest of them.

Re:Wikileaks' Assange says Ecuador seeking to end his asylum by dragonwriter on Monday October 29, 2018 @05:17PM (#18331589)
> Your argument is seriously that it should not be ok for people who are in an embassy to engage in speech?

Speech directed at interfering in the politics of th receiving country (or, to a lesser extent, third countries), yes.

And it's not just my or ascorbic’s idea, it's fundamental to the entire premise of permitting the special privileges associated with embassies, and incorporated into the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations.

(Non-diplomatic personnel residing in an embassy for an extended period of time is itself something of a hack not really envisioned by the Convention.)

> Do you not see how absolutely ridiculous it is to criminalize political speech?

Not being allowed to remain in embassy is not a criminal sanction.

Re:Wikileaks' Assange says Ecuador seeking to end his asylum by stale2002 on Monday October 29, 2018 @05:24PM (#18331655)
Imagine if the US started deporting Saudi Arabian persecuted journalists back to Saudia Arabia, if those journalists criticized Canada. (And then Saudia proceeded to murder those asylum deportees. )

This is basically the same exact situation. Just because the US didnt murder the deported asylum seekers, it is still an extreme attack on free speech to deport them, to be murdered by another country, because they criticizing Canada.

Re:Wikileaks' Assange says Ecuador seeking to end his asylum by AnimalMuppet on Monday October 29, 2018 @04:19PM (#18330974)
Only if dragonwriter posted it from within another country's embassy. I'm going to make a guess that dragonwriter didn't do that.

More: Assange isn't going to be arrested (by Ecuador). He's going to be kicked out of the embassy if he keeps being politically active. Now it's Assange's choice: Leave the embassy in order to keep being politically active, or stay there and shut up.

Re:Wikileaks' Assange says Ecuador seeking to end his asylum by dragonwriter on Monday October 29, 2018 @04:30PM (#18331082)
Well, I probably wouldn't make it—at least without clearing it with my hosts—as a guest of an embassy.
Re:Wikileaks' Assange says Ecuador seeking to end his asylum by starik36 on Monday October 29, 2018 @04:17PM (#18330950)
Publishing the truth only constitutes interference in the eyes of those who don't want to see it. If he was publishing fake news, I could understand Ecuador. But he doesn't.
Re:Wikileaks' Assange says Ecuador seeking to end his asylum by dragonwriter on Monday October 29, 2018 @04:26PM (#18331048)
> Publishing the truth only constitutes interference in the eyes of those who don't want to see it.

That something is factually accurate does not mean it is not published with the purpose of manipulating political outcomes.

Not that everything Assange has done is non-editorialized relay of fact.

> If he was publishing fake news, I could understand Ecuador.

Ecuador is merely fulfilling it's obligation under international law; the primary offended party is the UK, here, who is the party that has objected that Ecuador permitting Assange’s political activities directed at the UK and other states violates Ecuador's obligations under international law.

Having diplomatic facilities on the territory of another country is not a right, it is a privileged extended under terms (many of which are standardized in international law.)

Re:Wikileaks' Assange says Ecuador seeking to end his asylum by starik36 on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @08:13PM (#18342354)
But it's factual, as you said. He has a track record of publishing the truth whether you like it or not.

>> the primary offended party is the UK

Sorry, I disagree. Primary offended party here is Assange - a victim of powers that be trying to contain him. UK is the primary bully here.

Re:Wikileaks' Assange says Ecuador seeking to end his asylum by ben_w on Monday October 29, 2018 @04:41PM (#18331194)
If I had a database of all Wakandan military assets and their locations, and I published it, that would be both truthful and definitely interfering with a (albeit fictional) foreign nation.

There are legitimate reasons for countries to keep secrets, just as there are legitimate reasons for individuals to keep secrets.

And that’s without one-sided reporting (“Her emails!” “If that’s important, what about his phone?”) or outright falsehoods (I am glad to say I don’t think Assange has done that outside of misrepresenting himself).

Re:Wikileaks' Assange says Ecuador seeking to end his asylum by tyingq on Monday October 29, 2018 @03:36PM (#18330579)
Google translate gives me this:

"24. Mr. Julian Assange is reminded that, while the Republic of Ecuador recognized as an asylee, shall, when exercising his right of communication and of freedom of expression from the Embassy of Ecuador in London, abide by scrupulously the conventional and customary norms of asylum diplomatic, among others, especially, the prohibition to carry out activities that could be considered as policies and interference in internal affairs from other States, or that may cause harm to the good relations of Ecuador with any other State, whatever form is used to execute said activities"

Original text, in Spanish: https://archive.org/stream/AssangeEmbassyProtocols/Assange%2...

Re:Wikileaks' Assange says Ecuador seeking to end his asylum by SEJeff on Monday October 29, 2018 @03:32PM (#18330540)
Love him or hate him, they're not required to keep him in their embassy forever, or pay his bills and clean up after him. Regardless of what he did, in the civilian world, he'd be similar to a squatter.
Re:Wikileaks' Assange says Ecuador seeking to end his asylum by dragonwriter on Monday October 29, 2018 @05:24PM (#18331653)
> Regardless of what he did, in the civilian world, he'd be similar to a squatter.

No, he's more like a couchsurfer that wants the legal tenant on whose couch he is staying to provide cleaning services, indefinite rent-free residency, and to allow him to do things that violate the tenant's lease.

But not a squatter, because he has permission, for now.

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Re:Wikileaks' Assange says Ecuador seeking to end his asylum by butterfi on Monday October 29, 2018 @03:47PM (#18330679)
Poor analogy.
Re:Wikileaks' Assange says Ecuador seeking to end his asylum by vntok on Monday October 29, 2018 @04:06PM (#18330849)
> Anne Frank would be a squatter.

That's absolute bullshit. Anne Frank was hidden inside an annex of her father's company, BY her father Otto Heinrich Frank, a former German officer decorated during the 1st World War. HE told her how he planned to hide her.

Nothing to do with squatting, and frankly (no pun intended) you should be ashamed of yourself for suggesting otherwise.

Re:Wikileaks' Assange says Ecuador seeking to end his asylum by gufle on Monday October 29, 2018 @04:33PM (#18331120)
Anne Frank and her family lived in a building where her father worked. Not one he owned. They were hidden there by her father's colleagues. It's as much squatting as Assange's case. Not that it matters, I was simply pointing out the absurdity of trying to make such ridiculous analogies and characterizing people based on that. Also, I don't play shame tag bud.
Re:Wikileaks' Assange says Ecuador seeking to end his asylum by gufle on Monday October 29, 2018 @04:24PM (#18331027)
Nah. (Its no worse than the Assange one.)
Re:Wikileaks' Assange says Ecuador seeking to end his asylum by sandworm101 on Monday October 29, 2018 @04:01PM (#18330802)
>> in the civilian world, he'd be similar to a squatter.

No and no. This is the civilian world. An embassy is an outpost of a civilian government. Despite all the spycraft associated with them, they are not military outposts and government cannot conduct military operations from them. They are armed only enough to defend themselves.

He is also definitely not a squatter. He was invited in. Squatters by definition enter without permission.

Re:Wikileaks' Assange says Ecuador seeking to end his asylum by ilikehurdles on Monday October 29, 2018 @04:14PM (#18330925)
Squatters often enter with permission, but don't leave.
Re:Wikileaks' Assange says Ecuador seeking to end his asylum by sandworm101 on Monday October 29, 2018 @04:22PM (#18331001)
There is a legal distinction that really matters on a daily basis. A renter who fails to pay rent isn't a squatter. A delinquent renter cannot be instantly arrested for trespass. Someone who enters without permission can be instantly arrested without much in the way of process (trespasser, robbers, drunk people etc). Someone who had previous permission can only be evicted after a lengthy process.

Where "adverse possession" aka squatter's rights exists, one much stay without the permission of the owner. A potential adverse possession can be avoided by the landowner giving permission. That stops any running clocks as the possession is no longer "adverse" to the rights of the owner.

Re:Wikileaks' Assange says Ecuador seeking to end his asylum by daveFNbuck on Monday October 29, 2018 @03:34PM (#18330560)
The memo isn't linked in the article.
Re:Wikileaks' Assange says Ecuador seeking to end his asylum by bogomipz on Monday October 29, 2018 @03:50PM (#18330699)
>"Did you read the actual memo?"

There is no link to the "memo" in the Reuters article. Maybe it was removed? Might you have the link?

Re:Wikileaks' Assange says Ecuador seeking to end his asylum by icebraining on Monday October 29, 2018 @06:37PM (#18332248)
No, I used a search engine. It's not hard to find: http://www.codigovidrio.com/code/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/...