Re:Nobody knows how to cite 4chan mathematicians who solved ...
by RowBoat6123 on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @10:13AM
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Bill Thurston cited personal communication with himself, which is a pretty unusual source.
Re:Nobody knows how to cite 4chan mathematicians who solved ...
by anticensor on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @10:33AM
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I will reject a paper if it references a private communication with author oneself. Just tell the truth, undisclosed prior work.
Re:Nobody knows how to cite 4chan mathematicians who solved ...
by RowBoat6123 on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @11:25AM
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I believe it was his thesis and I assume it was tongue in cheek.
Re:Nobody knows how to cite 4chan mathematicians who solved ...
by mietek on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @10:23AM
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Inevitably, Iām going to have to ask for a reference.
Re:Nobody knows how to cite 4chan mathematicians who solved ...
by chrislipa on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @10:39AM
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He used to sit on the floor of his office with the lights off under a giant moving box and brainstorm math.
Reference: personal communication
Re:Nobody knows how to cite 4chan mathematicians who solved ...
by RowBoat6123 on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @11:28AM
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Amusingly enough, it's personal communication with one of his students.
Re:Nobody knows how to cite 4chan mathematicians who solved ...
by z_open on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @09:38AM
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Ethically do you even have to cite something properly when the person who solved it was intentionally anonymous? If the concern is that people will think the person writing solved it, they can just write a sentence where it came from.
Re:Nobody knows how to cite 4chan mathematicians who solved ...
by dzdt on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @09:49AM
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Academia has no problem with pseudonymous publication. See "Student" of "Student's T distribution" fame. [1]
Re:Nobody knows how to cite 4chan mathematicians who solved ...
by avinassh on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @11:31AM
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> Academia has no problem with pseudonymous publication
another great example is Bitcoin paper.
Re:Nobody knows how to cite 4chan mathematicians who solved ...
by ceejayoz on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @09:41AM
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> Ethically do you even have to cite something properly when the person who solved it was intentionally anonymous?
Yes. Not because they need/want the credit, but because it's important to note that it's not your idea.
> If the concern is that people will think the person writing solved it, they can just write a sentence where it came from.
That is, basically, what a citation is.
Re:Nobody knows how to cite 4chan mathematicians who solved ...
by GiuseppaAcciaio on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @09:49AM
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Not to mention that a citation is there not only to show the world whose content you are referencing, but also because in case the reader doesn't believe you and wants to go check, they can do so by following the citation
Re:Nobody knows how to cite 4chan mathematicians who solved ...
by k__ on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @09:47AM
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Who can proof that it isn't your idea?
Re:Nobody knows how to cite 4chan mathematicians who solved ...
by ceejayoz on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @09:50AM
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Intentional academic dishonesty is an entirely separate issue. If you're going to plagiarize, it doesn't really matter if there's a formal way of citing the material you don't plan to cite.
Re:Nobody knows how to cite 4chan mathematicians who solved ...
by sandov on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @10:24AM
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4chan
Re:Nobody knows how to cite 4chan mathematicians who solved ...
by fs111 on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @09:57AM
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citing "anonymous", if it is unclear who the author is, is nothing new. I did that a long time ago when I a cited something from the nmap man page in a paper for university . Back then it was unclear - at least to me - who the author is. This is a very common practice. I do not see, where the novelty is.
Re:Nobody knows how to cite 4chan mathematicians who solved ...
by kotajacob on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @11:39AM
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Nowadays you could simply check with git blame right?
Re:Nobody knows how to cite 4chan mathematicians who solved ...
by fs111 on Thursday October 25, 2018 @08:10AM
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if it was just a pseudonym, one may still cite it as anonymous.
Re:Nobody knows how to cite 4chan mathematicians who solved ...
by hkmurakami on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @09:41AM
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I guess we cite the poster's hash and timestamp?
Re:Nobody knows how to cite 4chan mathematicians who solved ...
by huntie on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @10:43AM
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What do you mean by hash? 4chan posts use an incrementing id per board, so if you put >>>/sci/3751197 you have a unique identifier for the post (sci being the board and 3751197 being the post number). For convenience you could link to an archive site as well, but they're known to die every few years.
Re:Nobody knows how to cite 4chan mathematicians who solved ...
by gfosco on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @10:56AM
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Some boards like /pol/ have a user hash, unique per user-session, stable across posts.
Re:Nobody knows how to cite 4chan mathematicians who solved ...
by claudiawerner on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @03:44PM
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The hashes assigned to your IP on the boards that have them are per-thread to my knowledge. All your posts in one thread will have a particular hash, but your post in another thread will have a different one.
Re:Nobody knows how to cite 4chan mathematicians who solved ...
by huntie on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @11:15AM
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Ah I forgot about that. It would certainly be a good idea to include it if available. Do you know if it is necessary for a unique id? I've never browsed any of the boards with user hashes.
Re:Nobody knows how to cite 4chan mathematicians who solved ...
by gfosco on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @11:43AM
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Not sure what you mean by necessary. Post id would still be unique.
Re:Nobody knows how to cite 4chan mathematicians who solved ...
by rtkwe on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @09:49AM
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You'd need a link for people to see the original content too so you'd want to include a link to one of the archive sites I guess (as a second best source for an ephemeral post). It's odd but there are citation patterns for websites, wonder if they include a standard for including archives of sources not available at time of writing.
I'd probably just do it for the novelty (who else can say they have a more unusual source??)