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Re:Why Doctors Reject Tools That Make Their Jobs Easier by EB66 on Monday October 15, 2018 @09:03PM (#18225560)
I agree. This article is off the mark. On the contrary, doctors want tools that will assist them in providing better patient care outcomes. In all my career, I've never met an anesthesiologist, trauma surgeon nor a hospitalist who has ever expressed a concern that technology will make them obsolete. On the contrary, almost universally these individuals are overworked and are thrilled to hear about anything that might save them a little time or make their job easier.

That being said, doctors do not want tools that are clunky, tools that force them to change their existing workflows, tools that run slow, can't pull in relevant data in real-time, rely on fragile HL7 interfaces, etc. Doctors want tools that work for them. Doctors do not want to be fighting or struggling with tools that are supposed to help them. While that may seem obvious, it's a very difficult bar for most software makers to meet -- particularly in the inpatient and ED space.

I can understand the author's perspective -- she's a new resident at Yale New Haven Hospital and previously ran a medical software start-up that closed up shop relatively quickly. It would be convenient to rationalize the failure of her start-up due to fears of new tech. While it may have been a fear of new tech that prevented her start-up from succeeding, it was not a fear of being made obsolete -- it was a fear that her product wouldn't do the job well.

Re:Why Doctors Reject Tools That Make Their Jobs Easier by Zelphyr on Monday October 15, 2018 @09:09PM (#18225597)
> doctors do not want tools that are clunky

And yet every EMR system I've ever seen is comically bad. Why the medical providers haven't revolted over being forced to use those things is beyond me.

Re:Why Doctors Reject Tools That Make Their Jobs Easier by EB66 on Monday October 15, 2018 @09:21PM (#18225650)
They really are comically bad (Cerner, Epic, Meditech, all of them), but they are effective data silos which is a step up from having that data silo'ed in filing cabinets.

People outside healthcare really don't understand the sheer amount of time your physician spends trawling through the medical record in the regular course of doing his or her job. You can think of the patient chart as a shared "My Documents" folder on your computer. In modern multi-disciplinary care, you have many different parties taking care of the same patient and working in shifts. In order to get up to speed with what's happening for a particular patient, you need to open up each of the recent files in "My Documents" for that patient and review it. Lab results, progress notes, schedules, etc. Then repeat a couple dozen times for all the other patients you're caring for that day. Endless clicking. Constantly flipping between windows. Burn out.

That's not too much of an exaggeration of what the real EMR experience is like today.

Re:Why Doctors Reject Tools That Make Their Jobs Easier by rpcastagna on Monday October 15, 2018 @10:38PM (#18225961)
These experiences also exacerbate the perception that I referred to before that can basically be summarized as "every previous attempt at making this better ended up being completely terrible". A whole slew of people want to improve things, but a lot of the time they don't take that responsibility seriously enough -- or know, fully, what that entails -- and when they bail that leaves the next would-be "disruptor" at a disadvantage.
Re:Why Doctors Reject Tools That Make Their Jobs Easier by Ntrails on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @08:21AM (#18228732)
Right, and it turns out that the devil you know is infinitely more attractive than the next helf finished buggy piece of shit that someone assures you will revolutionise your workflow.
Re:Why Doctors Reject Tools That Make Their Jobs Easier by sizzle on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @04:29AM (#18227671)
My doctor's office just switched to the latest MyChart system and the app on Android has a pretty modern UX, decent usability and shows all my upcoming appointments, lab results, bill statements, etc. No complaints on my end, having access to my records right after my physician enters it into their computer is nice compared to requesting packets of physical paper then having to securely store them from prying eyes...
Re:Why Doctors Reject Tools That Make Their Jobs Easier by paulie_a on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @04:02PM (#18232732)
Mychart is really slick in my opinion. Very usable Android interface and everything you mentioned. I was definitely impreased for the patient experience. Sometimes with blood tests it can be a bit of information overload. But that is why you have a doctor explain what matters. It's also nice to see and compare previous tests to see things improve in a simple format.
Re:Why Doctors Reject Tools That Make Their Jobs Easier by projectileboy on Monday October 15, 2018 @10:28PM (#18225916)
Because it’s the same situation as with any enterprise software - the buyers are not the users, and they are evaluated at how well they did or not do their job based on a whole host of criteria that have absolutely nothing to do with satisfied users.
Re:Why Doctors Reject Tools That Make Their Jobs Easier by brownbat on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @12:40AM (#18226565)
Buyers? I want the makers trained as users.

Everything I've optimized really well was after a week or so using the old bad solution.

Programs made for me, to automate some part of my job? Invariably break some part of my workflow that promptly gets labeled an edge case.

Re:Why Doctors Reject Tools That Make Their Jobs Easier by TeMPOraL on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @01:48AM (#18226902)
Same problem. Makers are not paid to think like users. Makers are paid to satisfy whoever's actually paying.
Re:Why Doctors Reject Tools That Make Their Jobs Easier by paulie_a on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @04:07PM (#18232781)
If makers dont have a fundamental understanding of how the users will utilize it, the makers are making a bad product. Every developer should do customer service and a sales call on a regular basis.
Re:Why Doctors Reject Tools That Make Their Jobs Easier by TeMPOraL on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @03:02AM (#18236781)
> If makers dont have a fundamental understanding of how the users will utilize it, the makers are making a bad product.

Well, exactly. That's half of the reason why enterprise, medical, restaurant and other similar software generally sucks.

> Every developer should do customer service and a sales call on a regular basis.

In B2C, sure. In B2B for the examples I mentioned above, a "sales call" is where the problem starts. On such a call, you'll get the opinions of people paying for software, not of those using it.

Re:Why Doctors Reject Tools That Make Their Jobs Easier by paulie_a on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @01:32PM (#18241364)
In either case the developer the should get a first hand experience about the pain points. Developers tend to be isolated and build things that really doesn't fit the need that is required. Ask the potential customer and they will come. (Maybe, but at least the developer has a better idea of things to build)
Re:Why Doctors Reject Tools That Make Their Jobs Easier by jayd16 on Monday October 15, 2018 @11:05PM (#18226070)
Its really strange how much punishment doctors seem to receive and how much they're willing to take. The hours alone would be laughable in any other industry.
Re:Why Doctors Reject Tools That Make Their Jobs Easier by kwhitefoot on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:01AM (#18227825)
The hours are, to some extent, imposed by the various medical governing bodies either directly or by artificially restricting the supply of doctors. These bodies are composed largely of doctors so the problem is to some extent self imposed. In the UK doctors are not governed by the working time directive because the UK negotiated an opt out so hospital doctors work ridiculous hours. As far as I can tell this problem does not exist to the same degree elsewhere in Europe.
Re:Why Doctors Reject Tools That Make Their Jobs Easier by HeadsUpHigh on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @11:36AM (#18230203)
>In the UK doctors are not governed by the working time directive because the UK negotiated an opt out so hospital doctors work ridiculous hours.

In UK doctors are treated much worse than they are in the USA.

Re:Why Doctors Reject Tools That Make Their Jobs Easier by qnsi on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @09:32AM (#18229181)
In Poland it is also very common for doctors to work crazy hours.
Re:Why Doctors Reject Tools That Make Their Jobs Easier by WalterBright on Monday October 15, 2018 @09:23PM (#18225659)
Most consumer software is tragically bad. For example, the automatic cat feeder I have has probably the second worst user interface I've ever seen.

The worst was a thermostat.

Heaven help you if you ever lose the manual.

Re:Why Doctors Reject Tools That Make Their Jobs Easier by arkh on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @03:26AM (#18227352)
Because 2 main things.

First: you're dealing with humans so you have to let a lot of things possible. Which is how you easily get shitty UI.

Second: everything is a legal horror. Certification, certification, certification.

PS: and third. Most medical software is not chosen by its users but by management.

Re:Why Doctors Reject Tools That Make Their Jobs Easier by conanbatt on Monday October 15, 2018 @11:01PM (#18226054)
Its my believe that its impossible to build the killer EMR, or at least, nobody has approached that.

There are many reasons for it, just as making software to manage restaurants has been an impossible one. The use cases are operationally extremely different in all cases.

Re:Why Doctors Reject Tools That Make Their Jobs Easier by maybecorrect on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @02:48AM (#18227199)
I think the common thing between restaurant POS systems and EMR is that they aren't optimized for the user, they're optimized for management.