SEC. 534 from https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/4/te... just seeks to classify E-cigs in the same class as traditional cigarettes. There's no prohibition on carrying them onboard, only usage.
There's over a hundred people sharing that space, and we need to be courteous to everyone else for the small amount of time we're crammed together.
The question is: if I am not allowed to bring (potentially expensive and/or hard-to-find) e-cigs on board, what do I do when I land? Can I put them in checked luggage? Do I have to throw them out if I forget they're on me? Too bad?
I don't have any answers but I personally use an e-cig to keep me from going back to the real thing (real cigarettes that is).
How do you think this actually change impacts people _while_ on the plane since vapes have already been banned from carry-ons? Your comment doesn't seem to be relevant to this change.
That's not true. They are allowed on carry-on, but not checked bags. The change only bans their use on planes, not their presence.
https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/whatcanibring/...
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/302/...
SEC. 409
Adds e-cigarettes to Section 41706 of title 49 of the US Code and bans their use on planes (equivalent to the ban on the use of cigarettes).
Patches. Like many people I know used to use before vaping became A Thing.
It's similar to the Samsung Note ban not too long ago, even though no Samsung Notes ever exploded in-flight, they had known problems with the battery. Air travel is crazy about not taking chances, and many e-cigs have shady bargain-bin lithium batteries.
I think they could easily be checked in baggage with the same precautions as a firearm. Battery out, fluid reservoir empty, and in a flight-approved, locked container.
That said, I was on a cave tour once and some jackass was vaping inside the cave. The guide reminded him "no smoking" and he kept on puffing, explaining, "I'm not smoking. It's a vape." It was already too late to remove him from the tour.
People didn't ban cigarette smoking specifically because of the cigarettes. It was because it was the most common means for people to blithely pollute the local air. Vape fluid might be less overtly toxic and more pleasant-smelling than cigarette smoke, but that doesn't mean I want your candy-flavored solvent precipitating out of the air onto my clothes. When you're in an enclosed space without openable ventilation windows, like a cave or airliner cabin or elevator, don't smoke, don't intentionally fart, don't take your shoes off to air out your stinky socks, and don't vape.
(No conflict of interest here; I'm not, and never was a smoker.)
For instance, 'just think, there was a time when you could smoke proper analog cigarettes on Concorde with the flight attendants able to sell you more, by the box of 200, duty free. They even had books of matches spare to help you light them.'
Also, I was making a more general point. I see e-cig bans everywhere I go, both in my country and abroad.
I don't think nicotine is good for you, but vaporized nicotine seems much less dangerous than smoking a cigarette.
https://tobacco.ucsf.edu/cdc-publishes-more-evidence-nicotin...
Seems harmful enough to me.
I also assumed it a total ban, and I wondered if the tobacco lobby had something to do with it: legend has it that the govt wanted to ban bringing lighters into the cabin after 9/11, but the tobacco lobby intervened. And guess what, nope they were not on the banned items list.
Seriously, doing that is often extremely difficult. For many in tech, and people oriented / facing work, there is a cycle of stress and or anxiety relief that amplifies when quitting.
Ability to create and interact with people in difficult or higher pressure scenarios are all, can be, very significantly impacted.
For many, really quiting takes a significant life event, or a substantial period of time away from the triggers as well as the cigarettes.
Of course people vary. Some can do it cold, others patch, others can use drugs like Chantix.
In my own scenario, Chantix was very bad news. Did not work, and I had those side effects. Big. Was scary and all escalated over a matter of a couple weeks.
I had started in the military, and quitting was a serious struggle. Vapor pens got me off tobacco, and the benefits were more or less immediate! Overall well being shot up fast, and continues on a slow ramp up.
As harm reduction, I have little question in my mind. The two are almost not comparable. Night and day type stuff
I have been diluting the percentages down and it has reached the point where I am going longer times without thinking about it much. All that with marginal inpact on create and people handling / interaction too.
Life has been tough on a number of fronts, basically denying me the time / space needed to deal hard core.
Vaping ranges from a fairly tepid thing to obnoxious big clouds where the room ends up a sticky mist!
Mutual consideration points to some regulation, and so far I see nothing unreasonable.
People judging others harshly on various vices has never been a thing I find productive. (Not implying you are, just making a germane point here) Minimizing harm, making sure people have options, treatment when they get into trouble are all much more productive and sane policy.
In basic terms, vaping is not even in the same class as smoking is. The big cloud people do approach that, and a few of them going to town can make a mess on par with smokers generally, but doing that is an edge case.
The vast majority will do it in the same way people use wine, as an example. Real addiction will creep up on people. Happens, and the very last thing they need is a toxic culture adding difficulty to what will already be difficult enough. Just embracing harm reduction would have a hard to miss, positive impact.
What would actually help more folks would be better research to quitting. Better drugs and other methods to help folks quit (I couldn't tolerate Chantrix either). Making these things available to people for free. Not just "free for 4-6 weeks once" but free for as long as it takes people to quit, for as many attempts as they need to quit. If you are poor, some of the fear is that a patch might not work, and then suddenly you have no money for cigs.
That worked.
I am currently tapering down by diluting the juice. Yhat is working nicely.
Unlike tobacco, I am not in a hurry. Ending the health hazard was a source of constant angst. Today, it is about reducing cost and moving toward a more pleasure centered experience. Just getting rid of triggers.
The SMOK brand refillable vapor pens are great, not a lot of money.
Strength is there, at half the cost to start.
Good luck. Don't let people tell you it isn't rough. It is. I have kicked supposedly harder things before. Sucked, but doable.
Tobacco is no joke.
I will have a look at the SMOK stuff - thanks.
There is a shift in how you deal with things. It is like an off brand smoke, or the difference between a menthol and regular.
It passes. Takes a day, maybe two. Once it has passed, you will find going to a real tobacco feels bad. It always was, but you became inured to it over time.
The other thing you will find is your craving isn't necessarily for nicotine. It's the extras, and of course, those are bad too. All an ugly cycle.
Scrape $50 together. That's enough for a unit, couple refillable chambers, and some good juice. Again, nicotine salt is where it's at. Get the highest strength, and use the device in moderation. You will self-select everything else quickly after that initial shift.
Then, no matter what, stay with it for a time. It will only take a few successful times for the psychological impact to fade and confidence grow.
From there, you've got a much healthier cost management problem. It's a nice problem to have.
Me? I'm tapering off just to end this shit. :D
I don't need any help personally. For me, I'm in a good place, few worries.
Others may need help, and they may even make that known too. Posing that question isn't really how to get at the matter of help. For that to actually happen and be germane, understanding needs to come first.
I put what I did here to that end. Same with this comment.
Put up with it or don't fly. The nicotine addicted don't have a right to nicotine.
You already can't bring vapes in checked luggage, so what are the nicotine addicted supposed to do? Switch to cigarettes at their destination, since they can't take their vapes along with them? This might be trivial to some folks, but I know people for whom this will be an absolute nightmare.
Anyway, this is easy for the non-addicted to see as a non-issue or a minor change, but for those who have nicotine habits, this makes airplanes that much more of a hellish experience than they already are. Worse, it actively punishes the folks trying to get away from smoking analog cigarettes, because it makes it nigh impossible for them to take their substitute when they travel..