Re:Trump Just Signed a Law That Changes Life Aboard Airlines
by jplayer01 on Friday October 12, 2018 @04:13PM
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... what makes you think e-cigarettes are harmless?
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Re:Trump Just Signed a Law That Changes Life Aboard Airlines
by TeMPOraL on Friday October 12, 2018 @04:21PM
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They don't contain any of the substances that are harmful in analog cigarettes. They're essentially nicotine + stage smoke.
Re:Trump Just Signed a Law That Changes Life Aboard Airlines
by notacoward on Friday October 12, 2018 @06:02PM
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They don't have the same harmful chemicals as "analog" cigarettes, but the combustion by-products are still not something a rational person would want in their lungs.
Re:Trump Just Signed a Law That Changes Life Aboard Airlines
by elipsey on Friday October 12, 2018 @06:37PM
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I wouldn't argue that they're harmless but my understanding is that combustion is not involved, and that is exactly why they are presumed to be _less_ harmful than smoking.
Re:Trump Just Signed a Law That Changes Life Aboard Airlines
by dmm on Friday October 12, 2018 @07:00PM
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Cigarettes kill 50% of long term users. Being safer than that is not a big accomplishment.
Re:Trump Just Signed a Law That Changes Life Aboard Airlines
by elipsey on Friday October 12, 2018 @07:01PM
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I agree completely. I don't mean to suggests that vaping is a good idea, only that it apparently doesn't have PICs in it.
Re:Trump Just Signed a Law That Changes Life Aboard Airlines
by TeMPOraL on Saturday October 13, 2018 @12:29AM
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Being safer in general isn't. Being safer while also being a psychologically acceptable substitute for smokers - this is the achievement.
Re:Trump Just Signed a Law That Changes Life Aboard Airlines
by ChristianBundy on Friday October 12, 2018 @07:05PM
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This is correct. The mixture is almost always propylene glycol, vegetable glycerin, nicotine, and flavoring. I don't know of any negative effects of propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin, and as long as you don't use a carcinogenic flavoring (they exist) your biggest problem will likely be nicotine.
I don't think nicotine is good for you, but vaporized nicotine seems much less dangerous than smoking a cigarette.
Re:Trump Just Signed a Law That Changes Life Aboard Airlines
by tialaramex on Friday October 12, 2018 @09:27PM
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Even glycol and glycerin vapor are probably not a good idea to inhale. They could hardly be as bad as smoking cigarettes, but so far basically anything you breathe in that isn't air turns out to be a bad idea once we study it thoroughly.
Re:Trump Just Signed a Law That Changes Life Aboard Airlines
by loco5niner on Friday October 12, 2018 @05:06PM
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Whether nicotine is harmful seems to be under debate:
https://tobacco.ucsf.edu/cdc-publishes-more-evidence-nicotin...
Re:Trump Just Signed a Law That Changes Life Aboard Airlines
by cobbzilla on Friday October 12, 2018 @08:49PM
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also a good & nuanced read: https://www.gwern.net/Nicotine
Re:Trump Just Signed a Law That Changes Life Aboard Airlines
by ChoGGi on Friday October 12, 2018 @07:54PM
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Your second link mentions LD50 in adults of around 30-60 mg of nicotine. In children the LD50 is around 10 mg.
Seems harmful enough to me.
Re:Trump Just Signed a Law That Changes Life Aboard Airlines
by nofurtheruse on Friday October 12, 2018 @08:55PM
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even advil has an LD50. dosage matters
Re:Trump Just Signed a Law That Changes Life Aboard Airlines
by TeMPOraL on Saturday October 13, 2018 @12:26AM
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Even water has LD50.
Re:Trump Just Signed a Law That Changes Life Aboard Airlines
by anticensor on Saturday October 13, 2018 @06:24AM
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12L/day.