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Re:Magic Leap Review Part I by t0mbstone on Sunday September 30, 2018 @10:00PM (#18109523)
Wow, I had no idea it was actually that terrible!

The fact that 85% of the normal room lighting is blocked by the lens means that wearing it would essentially be like wearing sunglasses.

On top of that, the diffraction grating also looks like it introduces a bunch of visual artifacts like smearing, ghosting, and rainbows.

Re:Magic Leap Review Part I by p1necone on Sunday September 30, 2018 @10:49PM (#18109694)
I kind of assumed all along. I was crying vaporware the whole time though - I'm surprised they released something. The signs were there in the marketing - they never showed anything other than pretty cg mockups the entire time, the only videos they showed of functionality were clearly fabricated mockups - even < 1 year to release date. The closest they ever came to actually demoing the thing was showing some celebrity using it.

If they actually had anything nearly as impressive as they were claiming they wouldn't acted so obviously shady.

Re:Magic Leap Review Part I by drcode on Monday October 01, 2018 @10:51AM (#18113020)
Despite this, I think they still deserve some credit for actually releasing something. I was on the Magic Leap hate train, but now that they actually released their gimpy headset I'm actually kinda rooting for them.
Re:Magic Leap Review Part I by Fnoord on Monday October 01, 2018 @12:49PM (#18114405)
Theranos also released 'something'...
Re:Magic Leap Review Part I by drcode on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @07:17AM (#18120474)
Not really- "releasing" implies a regular person could buy it... No human being outside of Theranos was ever allowed to be in the same room as an Edison machine.
Re:Magic Leap Review Part I by ericd on Sunday September 30, 2018 @11:47PM (#18109908)
Keep in mind that this author is a long-time Magic Leap critic. He's not exactly looking hard for silver linings.
Re:Magic Leap Review Part I by Lazare on Monday October 01, 2018 @12:51AM (#18110115)
I'm sure you think that shows bias, but you could also say that his track record of being right means he should be considered extra credible. :)
Re:Magic Leap Review Part I by UpshotKnothole on Monday October 01, 2018 @12:34AM (#18110066)
Are you seeing a “silver lining” he missed? If not, don’t you think it’s possible that he’s been a long time critic because it was crap and exception from the get-go? If not, I think it’s worth remembering that this critic correctly predicted all of the major problems with the device months (and longer) before it was released. He called the “lightfield” and other marketing dishonesty out quite a long time ago, and seems to have been batting nearly .1000.

So... what do you see that he missed?

I understand that you’ve been very supportive of this for months, but unless you’re invested in or affiliated with Magic Leap it might be time to let it go in the face of the reality.

Re:Magic Leap Review Part I by ericd on Monday October 01, 2018 @01:07AM (#18110177)
Yes, I've watched a few long form video reviews of the ML One, and I've generally been impressed with what I've seen in the videos. The reviewers have generally seemed impressed as well. They usually say it could use a bit of work before being unleashed to consumers, and that it's a long way from fulfilling all of AR's potential, but being that it's explictly a dev kit of a V1 of potentially a whole new industry, I think that's all acceptable.

This reviewer has clearly had an axe to grind with ML's claims for years, and this is a continuation of that.

EDIT: that doesn't seem like the same comment I replied to, did you significantly expand it?

Re:Magic Leap Review Part I by muglug on Monday October 01, 2018 @01:33AM (#18110265)
I think you can quibble about the author's bias, but Magic Leap has so far failed to deliver on the promise that its early videos promised: the ability to seamlessly blend the real world with a computer-generated one.

Other systems in the same space (like Hololens, the Rift and the Vive) didn’t put such simulated imagery front-and-centre in their marketing materials.

Re:Magic Leap Review Part I by ericd on Monday October 01, 2018 @02:00AM (#18110338)
They're not quite there yet on their miniaturized consumer hardware, but have you watched the longer form videos? What they've pulled off looks like a very strong start toward that.

The Rift and Vive are not in the same space as Hololens/ML at all, they shouldn't be lumped together.

Re:Magic Leap Review Part I by Holomakerbot on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @12:01PM (#18122866)
You either didn't notice or forgot the bad press Hololens endured for misleading advertising:

https://mashable.com/2015/10/06/microsoft-hololens-misleadin...

https://www.theverge.com/2015/10/6/9465839/microsoft-hololen...

Going back further, Microsoft has a history of this with things like Project Milo on the Kinect. These things really don't matter in the end though. Its the technology itself that matters, and how good or bad it is relative to the market.

Re:Magic Leap Review Part I by Holomakerbot on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @12:09PM (#18122933)
The silver lining is that devs actually really like the device. Despite the hype/reality factor that tainted the initial reviews the consensus is that the device itself is actually quite good. If all you read are the negatives, especially hit pieces from Guttag then I could see why you have the point of view you do. In fact you'll be hard pressed to find any reviews outside of Guttag and Palmer Luckey who state the device is bad:

Hololens developers:

https://brekel.com/category/magic-leap/

https://medium.com/futurepi/magic-leap-one-in-depth-review-b...

AR/VR reporters:

https://twitter.com/kentbye/status/1038927438279888896?s=21

https://uploadvr.com/heres-what-actual-developers-think-of-t...

New content is getting praise:

https://www.theverge.com/2018/9/19/17876488/angry-birds-magi...

And this is just the start. Their dev conference is in a week. Lots more to see and I don't think they're going anywhere for a very long time.

Re:Magic Leap Review Part I by cobbzilla on Monday October 01, 2018 @08:03AM (#18111821)
“batting nearly .1000” would mean he’s right almost 10% of the time. I think you meant “batting a thousand”, which would be written “1.000”
Re:Magic Leap Review Part I by UpshotKnothole on Monday October 01, 2018 @05:10PM (#18116843)
You’re right, thanks for the correction.
Re:Magic Leap Review Part I by Animats on Monday October 01, 2018 @01:58AM (#18110334)
Well, of course it has to block most of the room lighting. They can't draw dark. The display has to be brighter than the ambient light. I'm surprised these things don't have an auto dimming shutter, like a welding mask, to adjust how much outside light gets through.
Re:Magic Leap Review Part I by flud on Monday October 01, 2018 @05:53AM (#18111239)
Well actually you can, it's called an LCD
Re:Magic Leap Review Part I by jacobush on Monday October 01, 2018 @05:20AM (#18111091)
Well, there is this rear view mirror in cars which essentially draws dark by blocking out the area where the sun would reflect into your eye.

Expanding on that, maybe with some kind of holographic shenanigans, we can have something that not exactly draws dark, but occludes light very cleverly.

Re:Magic Leap Review Part I by Animats on Monday October 01, 2018 @10:34PM (#18118419)
The update rate has to be very high and the alignment perfect or it will drive users nuts. Which means it will probably be done soon, although not in this round. Doing it with lightweight short path optics is also difficult. All this stuff with diffraction gratings and Fresnel lenses makes for a crappy image. That can sometimes be overcome; the Polaroid SX-70 camera had a very compressed optical system with Fresnel lenses without compromising image quality too much.[1]

The other option is simply to show the real world via a camera feeding into the system. That's been tried many times, and it works OK, although lag will make users faceplant or ill.

[1] https://www.technologizer.com/2011/06/08/polaroid/sx70-light...

Re:Magic Leap Review Part I by jacobush on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @02:58AM (#18119350)
OMG I so much want an SX-70. I will make it happen sooner or later now that there is film yet again for it.
Re:Magic Leap Review Part I by ddalex on Monday October 01, 2018 @08:37AM (#18112003)
Like an LCD of some sorts.
Re:Magic Leap Review Part I by jacobush on Monday October 01, 2018 @10:04AM (#18112598)
Exactly my point. :)
Re:Magic Leap Review Part I by ryandamm on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @12:56AM (#18118914)
The problem is focal conjugates; you can't darken something close to the eye and have it look like a dark region at a distance without focus blurring ruining the effect.
Re:Magic Leap Review Part I by vackosar on Monday October 01, 2018 @12:13AM (#18109994)
now u just need Magic Leap Autopilot :)
Re:Magic Leap Review Part I by stephengillie on Monday October 01, 2018 @06:31AM (#18111390)
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Re:Magic Leap Review Part I by rl3 on Monday October 01, 2018 @12:01AM (#18109955)
>The fact that 85% of the normal room lighting is blocked by the lens means that wearing it would essentially be like wearing sunglasses.

As part of a costume I bought some $4 sunglasses at the thrift store and wore them in a dimly-lit bar the other night. Ended up bumping into people because I couldn't see.

I imagine this is what Magic Leap is like.