Re:Dugout Loop
by erikpukinskis on Thursday August 16, 2018 @12:29AM
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Ya for sure. They picked the stadium for their test because they can demonstrate the system for a lot of randos who come to ballgames. It’s not solving any problem, besides getting a few folks home faster.
Re:Dugout Loop
by nickonline on Thursday August 16, 2018 @12:35AM
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> besides getting a few folks home faster.
How is that not solving a problem? Isn't this the purpose of undergrounds/metros?
Depends on your standards for “problem”, which is conceptually a statement I myself find frustrating, so i can see where you’re coming from.
But, we should try and be considerate when we define “problem”. LA has no shortage of serious transportation problems. This solves exactly none of them. Outside of Startupland, a problem is usually something that gets acknowledged before you find it.
Re:Dugout Loop
by almost_usual on Thursday August 16, 2018 @12:57AM
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Yeah, it gets 5% of people home faster.
Nr of cars vs congestion follows an S-curve with a very narrow/steep middle section. Removing a single digit percentage of cars/passengers can mean the difference between 'busy but only a little slow down' and 'complete stand still'. I don't know about the numbers in this specific case, but transport systems work in not very intuitive ways.
Re:Dugout Loop
by SideburnsOfDoom on Thursday August 16, 2018 @05:05AM
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Indeed and adding this capacity could easily make things worse with induced demand.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_demand https://www.wired.com/2014/06/wuwt-traffic-induced-demand/
While induced demand is definitely a thing, they're not going to start selling more tickets to baseball games because the road to the park isnt quite as congested. Induced demand is because of the effects it has (encourages more spread out development and 1PV usage).
It removes those 5% from clogging up the roadways and parking lot. If you attend games, why would that be a bad thing?
Re:Dugout Loop
by pantalaimon on Thursday August 16, 2018 @06:00AM
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When they are building a tunnel anyway, why not run a normal metro line through it and be able to transport much more people?
Re:Dugout Loop
by marssaxman on Thursday August 16, 2018 @09:30AM
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Why would they waste the enormous amount of additional money it would take to construct a normal metro line, when the entire premise of the company is the proposition that it is possible to construct a useful underground transportation system which is much simpler and therefore much less expensive than a normal metro?
Re:Dugout Loop
by evfanknitram on Thursday August 16, 2018 @01:18AM
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Faster, cheaper (than car) and with less emission right? Seems quite good to me.
Re:Dugout Loop
by tigershark on Thursday August 16, 2018 @03:34AM
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It seems an awful solution compared to the worst underground line.
Modern lines, as I said, can transport more passengers than they move per day in a mere minute...
If you add the time to make 3.6 miles probably they will complete the journey in 10-15 minutes.
Yes, but full scale metro lines are very expensive and not every situation justifies that kind of spending.
If this system can be built more quickly and at much lower cost than traditional transit systems, then it could well be very successful.
Re:Dugout Loop
by Heliosmaster on Thursday August 16, 2018 @02:44AM
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Don't underestimate that if those 5% instead of taking the car take this Loop, there'll be less cars and less traffic. So a higher % will be home faster.
Re:Dugout Loop
by marssaxman on Thursday August 16, 2018 @06:45AM
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From a marketing perspective it may be a publicity stunt, but from an engineering perspective it looks like a sensibly-scaled prototype. You have to start somewhere, and it makes sense to start with a small-scale project that will get some public use without becoming critical infrastructure.
The number of passengers it’ll transport is like two sections in the stadium. This is a publicity stunt.