Because I grew up in the Ottawa region and many of my friends parents worked at Nortel.

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.1137006

Someone was hacking into Nortel and stealing R&D, trade secrets, the hard work of the research division. That someone was in China. Soon after, a competitor named Huawei with a minimal R&D budget was selling very similar products at lower prices. It put Nortel out of business. My friends' parent all lost their jobs.

This is why I personally won't buy Huawei products.

This probably isn't the only thing that put Nortel out of business, but it saddens me that more Canadians aren't aware of that history. Huawei advertising during Hockey Night in Canada just makes my blood boil. It's nation-state-level trolling.

You don't fix industrial espionage with a trade war.

The connection to Huawei seems very tenuous. Is there any evidence of Huawei hacking Nortel? The link you shared is just an allegation of Chinese hacking.

Huawei have a rep for being IP thieves. They once were sued by Cisco for having software so "accidentally" similar, it had the same bugs...

https://www.cnet.com/news/huawei-admits-to-a-little-copying/

A company I worked for was acquired by a huawei partner, and within a couple of months Huawei was selling a complete hardware and software copy of our product.

GPs story definitely rings true.

Wait, if the company was acquired by a Huawei proxy, how is that same as whatever GP is insinuating?

Full disclosure: I work for Huawei; I am not paid to shill; I am not Chinese.

> I am not Chinese

I'm not criticizing the parent, but it should never need to be said. Nobody here should be judged based on their ethnicity or country.

If the company was acquired by a Huawei partner, doesn't that mean the reproduction was legitimate in this case?

No, why would it be? It wasn’t produced by the partner, and was never authorized to be copied by anyone. It was straight up copied - source code and all - by Hauwei after their partner got access to our SVN repos.

Why wasn't Huawei sued? I would assume that Huawei acquired the code and design legally if there was no lawsuit.

Wait, if Huawei Partner acquired the company, doesn’t it mean they got the rights to its IP? Isn’t that often the sole point of acquision?

Or did I misread something?

China is objectively not playing by the same rules as the west currently. Chinese Nationals have been caught stealing tech multiple times. I worked at a company where an intern from china was caught trying to steal the entire database but failed only because our infrastructure was so shitty that it crashed when trying to export everything. It was just quietly swept under the rug because any sort of retaliation would have led to losing access to the Chinese market since the intern was a relative of some government official. These sort of behaviors make people angry.

Not to say that no one else has acted like this. The United States stole/forced the UK and other European powers to give over IP back when we were the rising star in the global market

I can't tell if you are a troll or legitimately hold beliefs that manage to piss off every side of this forum but I have seen you pop up all over the place on here lately.

If I can make a request, please include your reasoning on your future posts because I have been incapable of understanding the viewpoint that led to some of your comments

I am very clearly pro crypto, pro capitalism, pro china (and pro immigration, I almost forgot in my list of biases). I do not hide my thoughts. I do not mention my political opinions, because that has no place on HN.

I work on some complicated things, so in the daytime I enjoy breaks and I come here to discuss or share my thoughts.

I do not promote anything - no product, no company. I have raw opinions and I am not very PC. I do not mean to hurt anyone.

My reasoning for Huawei is that they make great products, but they are attacked left and right. I genuinely would have made the same choice- including limiting background applications.

I am almost certain that a lot of criticism is very misguided. If you need any proof, just read the comment where the demise of Nortel is blamed on Huawei. It is not me thinking that.

On the Huawei point, they are believed to have stolen IP from multiple companies. If you don't believe they have stolen anything that is one thing, but I don't know a pro capitalism view that is ok with stealing from your competitors which is where I think much of the dislike comes from

I have seen no real evidence of that. I would actually prefer if they did, as contempt for property rights helped many countries and companies become competitive. And there are many economists with a dislike of intellectual property, mostly austrians, who are also fiercly pro capitalism.

It is also in line with what many say for startups: ideas do not count, only the execution.

I hope this answers your questions about me. I am here to share ideas, and I am happy to explain my reasoning if needed.

Whether or not the government should be granting monopolies in the form of IP and whether it's fine to violate property rights in a capitalist system, are two different questions

I can see your other viewpoints but I do not understand how your seeming desire for no laws is based in capitalism. Property rights and rule of law are basic necessities for capitalism

Not everyone agreees on this "basic necessity"

There is hardly anything more capitalistic than the Mises institute. Yet they share these ideas!

https://mises.org/library/patents-and-copyrights-should-be-r...

https://mises.org/library/there-room-intellectual-property-r...

extracts: "Like many libertarians, I initially assumed intellectual property (IP) was a legitimate type of property right. But I had misgivings from the start: there was just something too utilitarian..."

I think you're conflating two points. I know many, capitalistic, people believe that IP should not exist.

However it does currently exist as property of people. If property rights are not respected then capitalism falls apart as you'd have land and capital stolen and kept by whoever could bring the most force

I did. I love Huawei phone because they do not let programs eat cpu in the background - I like windows phone who did the same

I see the article and the tweet that caused it as a cheap shot against Huawei, motivated by some irrational anger that affects even free software developers.

I have no idea how this can be framed as a slight against Huawei. Huawei decided to have aggressive battery management (which to many is a good thing) to the detriment of apps that need to continue to run in the background.

If this is causing a significant loss of rating for the app, they are well within their rights to blacklist installs from the play store for those devices. Those users can still install the app via the APK (which is admittedly a poorer experience).

Edit: Also I'm not sure where your'e getting the "West hates Huawei so much" vibe from. They've done a few things that have been unpopular from the POV of the Android community at large, such as no longer allowing unlocking of their devices this week, but I would say their bigger issue in the West is that they are simply not marketed much.

1996 you're wrong on "West hates Huawei so much". American might not have a great opinion of the brand but VLC is French project and I can tell you Huawei is popular in France. USA doesn't represent the whole West, just part of it.

My friends from the mainland call these people “愤青”, basically young extremely patriotic men.

Basically any sleight against China and they’ll come in droves, screeching people down and proclaiming the eternal glory of the lunar kingdom (and its subsidiaries).

Fortunately, as this thread shows, English language forums only get one or two of these crazies at a time.

You are not sure where I am getting that the west hates Huawei?? really? Here are some random links.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/3/17532696/sprint-t-mobile-c...

https://www.quora.com/Did-Trump-sign-an-act-to-ban-Huawei-ph...

https://www.lightreading.com/mobile/4g-lte/will-trump-make-a...

Those are government actions.. and if you want the reasoning, then you can read the report from the congressional investigation into Huawai and ZTE: https://intelligence.house.gov/sites/intelligence.house.gov/...

Until the findings of that report have been reversed, Huawai will continue to find the US Government hostile to their actions, and willing to put up roadblocks wherever they can to stop Huawai's entry into the US market.

All 3 links are related to the Trump administration, which is known for its isolationist stances on many things. That's not "the west".

You do realize VLC was started in France, right?

Last I checked, France seemed to dilike the Huawei for being pricing their phones too low, and being too ambitious.

https://www.frenchweb.fr/comment-huawei-avance-ses-pions-en-...

I wonder how you feel about Huawei however- maybe my perception is biased.

So because one author on one French site wrote one article that has a slightly negative title but otherwise neutral content, suddenly the whole country dislikes the company?

Get over your biases.

I'm glad someone with those biases is here; obviously '1996 is far outnumbered on HN by those with other biases.

It's great for responsiveness and battery life mostly, but doing it unilaterally as one vendor among many makes things break in weird ways. Windows phone had apis and permissions for background audio, that would let the app run (with a much lower memory quota), but I don't think Android has that, so apps that need to do that may not be able to inform the system.