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Re:Why Gov.uk content should be published in HTML and not PDF by osrec on Monday July 16, 2018 @10:30AM (#17541509)
Having interacted with a number of government websites, I have to say the UK government does an excellent job of theirs. Most things are simple to understand and clearly presented. Even though I only use it for the the most mundane of things, using it is generally a very pleasant experience!
Re:Why Gov.uk content should be published in HTML and not PDF by nothrabannosir on Monday July 16, 2018 @10:44AM (#17541641)
Could not agree more. In fact, I’d go as far as to say they’re not just the best .gov site out there, but one of the best sites, full stop.

(I know a few people who worked on various parts of it and for what it’s worth: they’re all legit. They care, and they’re good. It should come as no surprise that the site turned out the way it did, if they’re hiring these sorts of people.)

Re:Why Gov.uk content should be published in HTML and not PDF by Schoolmeister on Monday July 16, 2018 @12:34PM (#17542611)
I recollect reading about the UK GDS in Tim O'Reilly's book from last year "WTF: What's The Future And Why It's Up To Us". In the chapter "Government as a platform" he's got a small, amusing anecdote about the service.

Having looked up the relevant part, let me transcribe it for you:

> "One of the first things that struck Jen and me as we entered the GDS office on an upper floor of an old office building high above a busy London street was a large sheet of butcher paper covering the picture window in the lobby. In the paper was a small cutout through which you could see the people on the street below. The cutout had a large arrow pointing to it, labeled "Users", reminding everyone when they walked in just whom the unit was meant to serve."

I found it really drove home the service's users-first approach. Following that anecdote he elaborates on the service's "10 commandments" (the 10 GDS Design Principles). They're also quite interesting, but I'm sure a search engine lookup can help you there. I really recommend the book if you want an optimist's outlook on the future of technology, government and economy.

Re:Why Gov.uk content should be published in HTML and not PDF by nine_k on Monday July 16, 2018 @08:56PM (#17546468)
"Be consistent, not uniform" is gold.
Re:Why Gov.uk content should be published in HTML and not PDF by jen20 on Monday July 16, 2018 @10:49AM (#17541687)
I remember attending a talk by some of those involved a couple of years ago where they stated that the air cover from the (then) minister responsible - Francis Maude - was what enabled the progress which was made, and that other ministers attempted to frustrate the process throughout.

I don't know if it was recorded or not, but if it was it's an interesting insight into getting things done in the UK government.

Re:Why Gov.uk content should be published in HTML and not PDF by tomaskafka on Monday July 16, 2018 @04:18PM (#17544719)
Oh yes, these things don't happen without air cover from a wise strongman (or strongwoman)
Re:Why Gov.uk content should be published in HTML and not PDF by kqr on Monday July 16, 2018 @10:52AM (#17541717)
> (I know a few people who worked on various parts of it and for what it’s worth: they’re all legit. They care, and they’re good. It should come as no surprise that the site turned out the way it did, if they’re hiring these sorts of people.)

I imagine working for a government is interesting from an incentives perspective too, simply because the optimisation is not about profit in the market sense.

Re:Why Gov.uk content should be published in HTML and not PDF by yoz on Monday July 16, 2018 @04:47PM (#17544944)
I worked for 18F (a digital transformation organization within the Federal Government, working with many different parts of it) for nearly four years. The lack of profit pressure was one of my favourite things about it, and one of the reasons why we had more room to do things "the right way". (Another reason: you're never sure when a codebase will get improvement/maintenance windows.)

Related: GDS (the GOV.UK people) was a huge inspiration to us from the start. Both 18F and USDS (another Federal Gov org focused on digital transformation) have strong connections to GDS, and there's lots of conversation between the groups.

Re:Why Gov.uk content should be published in HTML and not PDF by amiga-workbench on Monday July 16, 2018 @10:49AM (#17541686)
The team behind it have done some excellent writeups on the methodology and reasoning behind a lot of the design decisions. I only wish 1/10th of the web was this considerate towards the user.
Re:Why Gov.uk content should be published in HTML and not PDF by jnewkirk on Monday July 16, 2018 @11:05AM (#17541832)
Can you point me to any of these writeups? We're a local government site undertaking a design refresh, and they sound very helpful.
Re:Why Gov.uk content should be published in HTML and not PDF by amiga-workbench on Monday July 16, 2018 @06:01PM (#17545544)
Re:Why Gov.uk content should be published in HTML and not PDF by jnewkirk on Thursday July 19, 2018 @12:05PM (#17567613)
Splendid! Thanks.
Re:Why Gov.uk content should be published in HTML and not PDF by chillax on Monday July 16, 2018 @11:09AM (#17541861)
Re:Why Gov.uk content should be published in HTML and not PDF by mattmanser on Monday July 16, 2018 @10:41AM (#17541610)
Yeah, it's been a real turn around, used to be awful.

My only complaint is that they're sometimes too dogmatic about the one question per page thing, which is actually a pretty stupid UX commandment as soon as you get to complex logic flows.

I think they've relaxed a bit on that though, I didn't notice it last time I was doing my company tax return.

Re:Why Gov.uk content should be published in HTML and not PDF by Balero on Monday July 16, 2018 @10:57AM (#17541762)
They do have to make the site usable by everyone including the non-tech savvy, I can definitely see good reasons for keeping the input extremely limited.

One of the "downsides" of it being a government site is that it needs to be usable for everyone. Which can be a bit frustrating for power users.

Re:Why Gov.uk content should be published in HTML and not PDF by fjsolwmv on Monday July 16, 2018 @12:03PM (#17542358)
They could add a single-page view. It's not very hard to automatically generate single-page and multi-page views of the same form.
Re:Why Gov.uk content should be published in HTML and not PDF by williamdclt on Monday July 16, 2018 @12:12PM (#17542439)
Not necessarily easy either, and I don't really see the point. It's perfectly usable as it is, might as well keep it simple and invest time/money in stuff more useful than satisfying the .5% of users that are techy (made up number) for the few times a year they have to use the website
Re:Why Gov.uk content should be published in HTML and not PDF by mattmanser on Monday July 16, 2018 @02:47PM (#17543873)
It really wasn't, 2 years ago there was one place where they told you which type of accounts to submit made up of 10 pages of single questions.

Except, I knew which type I had to submit and it was telling me the wrong one. I was obviously answering one question wrong. But I couldn't go back and I could see my previous answers, I could only start again.

That's basically a ten page glorified wizard with no back button, which is actually a big UX no-no. Must have gone through the damn thing 5 times before I finally got the right form.

Re:Why Gov.uk content should be published in HTML and not PDF by stealthmodeclan on Monday July 16, 2018 @12:09PM (#17542402)
Singapore goverment's website is also very good.
Re:Why Gov.uk content should be published in HTML and not PDF by overcast on Monday July 16, 2018 @04:24PM (#17544767)
Are we looking at the same site?
Re:Why Gov.uk content should be published in HTML and not PDF by DC-3 on Monday July 16, 2018 @10:54AM (#17541739)
Sadly, not everything is yet on the new gov.uk site. But those thing which are tend to be presented very well indeed.