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Re:Dying Organs Restored to Life in Novel Experiments by empath75 on Monday July 16, 2018 @07:01AM (#17540276)
It would be hard to convince me to sign up for such a study, if there’s a 50% chance they give me a placebo and I die.
Re:Dying Organs Restored to Life in Novel Experiments by JacobDotVI on Monday July 16, 2018 @11:48AM (#17542234)
From Edward Tufte’s book “Data Analysis for Politics and Policy”:

“One day when I was a junior medical student, a very important Boston surgeon visited the school and delivered a great treatise on a large number of patients who had undergone successful operations for vascular reconstruction. At the end of the lecture, a young student at the back of the room timidly asked, “Do you have any controls?” Well, the great surgeon drew himself up to his full height, hit the desk, and said, “Do you mean did I not operate on half of the patients?” The hall grew very quiet then. The voice at the back of the room very hesitantly replied, “Yes, that’s what I had in mind.” Then the visitor’s fist really came down as he thundered, “Of course not. That would have doomed half of them to their death.” It was quiet then, and one could scarcely hear the small voice ask, “Which half?””

https://www.edwardtufte.com/tufte/dapp/DAPP1.pdf

(further attributed to Dr. E. E. Peacock, Jr, as quoted in Medical World News, September 1, 1972, p. 45)

Re:Dying Organs Restored to Life in Novel Experiments by Engineering-MD on Monday July 16, 2018 @07:17AM (#17540350)
In clinical trials, pure placebos are very rarely used (only in mild conditions or where no treatment exists). Commonly novel therapies are compared against the current treatment of choice.
Re:Dying Organs Restored to Life in Novel Experiments by michaelscott on Monday July 16, 2018 @07:54AM (#17540541)
I was about to ask how ethical it could be to give a pure placebo in cases as serious as heart failure, when simply telling the patient (or the patient's family) that they received some other more conventional procedure should produce similar results.
Re:Dying Organs Restored to Life in Novel Experiments by nine_k on Monday July 16, 2018 @08:54AM (#17540900)
I think this is never done. I suppose both groups receive two therapies, one of them being the best available therapy for the condition, and the other either the new therapy, or a placebo.

This requires new and old therapies to be compatible, though.

Re:Dying Organs Restored to Life in Novel Experiments by ceejayoz on Monday July 16, 2018 @10:22AM (#17541434)
Studies will also be suspended if it becomes clear that one treatment is so obviously better as to be unethical to continue with the other.
Re:Dying Organs Restored to Life in Novel Experiments by T-A on Monday July 16, 2018 @07:10AM (#17540318)
You would rather not sign up and go for the 100% percent chance they give you nothing and you die?
Re:Dying Organs Restored to Life in Novel Experiments by raverbashing on Monday July 16, 2018 @07:26AM (#17540398)
Maybe in those cases, if the treatment, if it shows promise, should be given also to the people that were given placebo (after the study)
Re:Dying Organs Restored to Life in Novel Experiments by CodeCube on Monday July 16, 2018 @11:07AM (#17541849)
I'm very excited about this stuff ... but as a relatively healthy person, I'm gonna wait for v1.1 :)
Re:Dying Organs Restored to Life in Novel Experiments by contravariant on Monday July 16, 2018 @09:59AM (#17541275)
At that point it's far from certain that the medicine will give you higher chances of survival though.