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Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by narrator on Saturday July 14, 2018 @01:14PM (#17531201)
The reason that everything is so not integrated is because of the American culture of containment. You have very very different kinds of people living in close physical proximity who often want nothing to do with each other. Think East Palo Alto and Palo Alto for example, especially in the 90s when East Palo Alto had the highest murder rate per capita in the U.S.

Nowadays, physical proximity means less and less. Relationships are even becoming less integrated. Yes you can interact with other people, but only as coworkers and paid professionals. Don't cross any weird lines. Even asking someone to engage in friend activities is getting more rare as most people prefer online friends, since they have more in common with them. The throughly modern American asks "Why would you need to be in physical proximity to someone anyway unless it was necessary for work? That's so creepy!". Lately, Tinder and friends have really stripped the last actual need for non-work physical proximity with any indivuals who have not been pre-screened via the algorithm.

Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by thatfrenchguy on Saturday July 14, 2018 @01:39PM (#17531333)
“You have very very different kinds of people living in close physical proximity who often want nothing to do with each other.”

Knowing that the US is probably one of the most segregated countries, this makes me smile :-)

Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by CapitalistCartr on Saturday July 14, 2018 @02:15PM (#17531536)
The US is a widely diverse country, including internally. Milwaukee is quite segregated, Sacramento isn't. There is a wide spread, depending on where you are. Overall, the US is about average diversity compared to other countries.
Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by AnthonyMouse on Saturday July 14, 2018 @04:06PM (#17532087)
> Overall, the US is about average diversity compared to other countries.

I don't think that's accurate. Europe is almost entirely European, Asia is almost entirely Asian, Africa is almost entirely African. Even Wisconsin at 86.5% white is less white than most European countries. And Milwaukee itself is 40% black and 17.3% Latino.

The countries that come anywhere close to the US on diversity are predominantly the other countries in the Americas.

Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by CapitalistCartr on Saturday July 14, 2018 @04:17PM (#17532150)
You're musunderstanding segregation and ethnicity. For instance, Milwaukee is widely regarded as the most segregated city in America. Their overall population total isn't the issue; its that neighborhoods within the city are overwhelmingly uniform.

Of course Asia is full of Asians; but they represent an incredible diversity of ethnicities. In some areas, they are geographically mixed, in others not.

Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by AnthonyMouse on Saturday July 14, 2018 @04:55PM (#17532324)
Diversity and segregation are two different things. If you had a city that was 100.0% Vietnamese then there would be no "segregation" within that city but it also isn't particularly diverse. And adding an equal number of Hawaiians wouldn't reduce the diversity even if there was 100% segregation between them.

Moreover, if you can bisect Asians into Japanese and Koreans etc. then you can bisect whites into Irish and German, Latinos into Colombians and Venezuelans, blacks into Jamaicans and Haitians etc. And if you're going to play that game then why aren't the racially segregated areas still internally diverse in the same way? Certainly they are as much as the countries that consist almost entirely of that category of people are.

Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by CapitalistCartr on Saturday July 14, 2018 @07:52PM (#17532996)
Yes, you are correct, diversity and segregation are two different things, which is why I broke them out.

My original comment was to explain how the statement, "Knowing that the US is probably one of the most segregated countries . . . " is incorrect.

Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by vilmosi on Saturday July 14, 2018 @04:16PM (#17532141)
> I don't think that's accurate. Europe is almost entirely European, Asia is almost entirely Asian, Africa is almost entirely African

This has to be sarcasm, right?

If not, this view is very wrong because it views diversity in a manner that's purely and literally skin deep.

Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by AnthonyMouse on Saturday July 14, 2018 @05:03PM (#17532373)
When people talk about diversity, the diversity they want is typically cultural, but race and culture are strongly correlated. There aren't a lot of ethnic Africans who are culturally Japanese or ethnic Europeans who are culturally African American.

Which means there aren't a lot of people of any race who are culturally Japanese in Africa or culturally African American in Europe.

Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by notahacker on Saturday July 14, 2018 @05:24PM (#17532467)
Trust me, if it's culture you're interested in, Europe has more established cultural differences between white peoples from completely different language groups within small European countries than between African Americans and non-African Americans, and we didn't even have to impose Jim Crow laws to achieve this.
Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by AnthonyMouse on Saturday July 14, 2018 @05:47PM (#17532572)
> Trust me, if it's culture you're interested in, Europe has more established cultural differences between white peoples from completely different language groups within small European countries than between African Americans and non-African Americans, and we didn't even have to impose Jim Crow laws to achieve this.

The category "white people in America" has that level of cultural diversity inside of it. It includes millions of first generation immigrants from all of those places. Plus millions of people descended from those cultures who over the past centuries have developed them into something uniquely American, melding them in a thousand cities with the cultures of all the other immigrant populations that have come here since then.

And we can't pretend that no country in Europe has ever sinned. Or any country anywhere for that matter.

Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by lostlogin on Saturday July 14, 2018 @03:40PM (#17531977)
If you factor in economics that picture gets worse for the US relative to most countries. The divide between rich and poor is large and growing.
Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by ende on Saturday July 14, 2018 @02:43PM (#17531684)
Right behind France and it’s Parisian suburbs, no monsieur?
Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by wozniacki on Saturday July 14, 2018 @05:25PM (#17532469)
Absolutely.

Segregation is probably a more chronic problem there than it is or was ever here.

  But Saint-Denis is not a rich neighborhood.

  It's what the French call a "banlieue."

  Literally translated, the word means "suburb," but 
  it has come to be associated with the depressed, mostly 
  immigrant neighborhoods on the outskirts of the city
  where unemployment is high and opportunity scarce.

  "If you look at the situation of people, you 
  understand the path they have taken to become a 
  terrorist or whatever you call it," Villain told 
  CBS News correspondent Vladmir Duthiers. "Exclusion 
  makes the terrorist, in my opinion."

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  The French government does not keep statistics 
  based on race or religion, but surveys have found 
  unemployment is as high as 30 percent in these immigrant 
  neighborhoods.[1]
[1] Les Banlieues: Searching for the seeds of terror

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/paris-banlieues-seeds-of-terror...

Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by dnomad on Saturday July 14, 2018 @08:57PM (#17533231)
I wonder if you've ever even been to Saint-Denis?

Segregation in France is absolutely nothing like what you see in America where, outside three or four major cities, different races, no matter how rich or poor, are absolutely cordoned off from one another and do not ever attend the same schools [1]. If you actually go to Saint-Denis you will find everything from Russian Jews to Moroccan Muslims to Nigerians to good ol' fashioned ("from before Napoleon took over the world") French families. It's an extremely diverse hood, the kind you'd only saw 30 years ago in America's largest cities.

[1] https://www.vox.com/2018/3/5/17080218/school-segregation-get...

[2] https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/16/segreg...

Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by rdlecler1 on Sunday July 15, 2018 @12:01AM (#17533723)
I saw a study a couple years back remarking on how job applicants without french last names would have far fewer call backs.
Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by hartator on Saturday July 14, 2018 @02:32PM (#17531617)
Might it be you just getting older.
Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by mygo on Saturday July 14, 2018 @04:14PM (#17532130)
> The throughly modern American asks "Why would you need to be in physical proximity to someone anyway unless it was necessary for work? That's so creepy!".

If that’s the case then I disavow all things “modern.” Nothing exciting to me at all about putting up walls between me and the people I actually see in person.

Maybe this is why I deleted my facebook a few years back, call when a few texts become a back and forth conversation, push for meet ups, and don’t use Tinder. I really don’t want to live in a world where the majority of our human-to-human communications is tapping on glass.

Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by wool_gather on Saturday July 14, 2018 @03:28PM (#17531921)
Wow, just one short leap from cars to a kids-these-days rant about Tinder?
Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by extradego on Saturday July 14, 2018 @01:34PM (#17531304)
>throughly modern American

You baby-boomers need to speak for yourselves only and keep me out of it.

(Assuming you mean "modern" as in contemporary. If you mean the more canonical "modern", sorry for the react.)

Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by vanattab on Saturday July 14, 2018 @01:42PM (#17531358)
Are baby-boomers some how too old to be allowed to consider themselves as part of our contemporary society?
Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by extradego on Saturday July 14, 2018 @03:04PM (#17531804)
I wish. You people are a disgrace.
Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by dang on Saturday July 14, 2018 @04:20PM (#17532166)
We've banned this account for violating the rules and spirit of this site. Generational warfare isn't an ok thing here. Same for ideological battle.

If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email [email protected] and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future.

Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by i_am_nomad on Saturday July 14, 2018 @03:51PM (#17532015)
“Exxxxcellent... another sucker has bought into the generational warfare meme we’ve been selling. Divide and conquer!”

- the media

Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by dang on Saturday July 14, 2018 @04:19PM (#17532162)
Please don't do this here.
Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by dragonwriter on Saturday July 14, 2018 @03:58PM (#17532052)
“Excellent—another sucker had bought into blaming the distribution mechanism rather than the group directing it for the message we pay for it to transmit!”

— the capitalist class

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Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by sctb on Sunday July 15, 2018 @05:03PM (#17537066)
We've asked you before not to take into flamewar hell with these ideological tangents, so we've banned the account.
Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by intopieces on Saturday July 14, 2018 @03:08PM (#17531820)
The men scared away from courting by the #metoo movement are exactly the kind that should stay out of the dating pool until they are ready to respect women. Good to hear the movement is working.
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Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by xapata on Sunday July 15, 2018 @03:40AM (#17534219)
I'm male and not terrified, nor even worried about such things. I'm not who this "you" is that you're referring to.

Regarding the chances of arrest, that makes sense to me. I suspect the police are rationally responding to the likelihood of violence.

Regarding the fellows who are considering mass murder, I suggest you notify the police.