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Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by erikpukinskis on Saturday July 14, 2018 @12:46PM (#17531041)
This is how we have had such economic growth. We use our own population as a testbed where we disintermediate all of our own cultural support systems so that everything must be hired out. Food, transport, entertainment, self concept, family, all of it has been reformed in the U.S. over the last 100 years to replace community labor with commercial relations.

This means we get first dibs on these new industries (Software As A Service, Family Mental Health As A Service, Guiltlessness As A Service, etc) as they catch on globally. Sometimes naturally because we discover some actual value. More often just by finding a practice which is addicting and then just dumping product until a population is addicted.

Great recipe for success, much wealth has been stockpiled.

It’s possible we sold out some cultural knowledge in the process, but the U.S. is a young country so most of our culture was pretty raw in the 19th century.

The bulk of our old growth culture we just slaughtered on arrival.

Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by narrator on Saturday July 14, 2018 @01:14PM (#17531201)
The reason that everything is so not integrated is because of the American culture of containment. You have very very different kinds of people living in close physical proximity who often want nothing to do with each other. Think East Palo Alto and Palo Alto for example, especially in the 90s when East Palo Alto had the highest murder rate per capita in the U.S.

Nowadays, physical proximity means less and less. Relationships are even becoming less integrated. Yes you can interact with other people, but only as coworkers and paid professionals. Don't cross any weird lines. Even asking someone to engage in friend activities is getting more rare as most people prefer online friends, since they have more in common with them. The throughly modern American asks "Why would you need to be in physical proximity to someone anyway unless it was necessary for work? That's so creepy!". Lately, Tinder and friends have really stripped the last actual need for non-work physical proximity with any indivuals who have not been pre-screened via the algorithm.

Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by thatfrenchguy on Saturday July 14, 2018 @01:39PM (#17531333)
“You have very very different kinds of people living in close physical proximity who often want nothing to do with each other.”

Knowing that the US is probably one of the most segregated countries, this makes me smile :-)

Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by CapitalistCartr on Saturday July 14, 2018 @02:15PM (#17531536)
The US is a widely diverse country, including internally. Milwaukee is quite segregated, Sacramento isn't. There is a wide spread, depending on where you are. Overall, the US is about average diversity compared to other countries.
Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by AnthonyMouse on Saturday July 14, 2018 @04:06PM (#17532087)
> Overall, the US is about average diversity compared to other countries.

I don't think that's accurate. Europe is almost entirely European, Asia is almost entirely Asian, Africa is almost entirely African. Even Wisconsin at 86.5% white is less white than most European countries. And Milwaukee itself is 40% black and 17.3% Latino.

The countries that come anywhere close to the US on diversity are predominantly the other countries in the Americas.

Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by CapitalistCartr on Saturday July 14, 2018 @04:17PM (#17532150)
You're musunderstanding segregation and ethnicity. For instance, Milwaukee is widely regarded as the most segregated city in America. Their overall population total isn't the issue; its that neighborhoods within the city are overwhelmingly uniform.

Of course Asia is full of Asians; but they represent an incredible diversity of ethnicities. In some areas, they are geographically mixed, in others not.

Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by AnthonyMouse on Saturday July 14, 2018 @04:55PM (#17532324)
Diversity and segregation are two different things. If you had a city that was 100.0% Vietnamese then there would be no "segregation" within that city but it also isn't particularly diverse. And adding an equal number of Hawaiians wouldn't reduce the diversity even if there was 100% segregation between them.

Moreover, if you can bisect Asians into Japanese and Koreans etc. then you can bisect whites into Irish and German, Latinos into Colombians and Venezuelans, blacks into Jamaicans and Haitians etc. And if you're going to play that game then why aren't the racially segregated areas still internally diverse in the same way? Certainly they are as much as the countries that consist almost entirely of that category of people are.

Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by CapitalistCartr on Saturday July 14, 2018 @07:52PM (#17532996)
Yes, you are correct, diversity and segregation are two different things, which is why I broke them out.

My original comment was to explain how the statement, "Knowing that the US is probably one of the most segregated countries . . . " is incorrect.

Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by vilmosi on Saturday July 14, 2018 @04:16PM (#17532141)
> I don't think that's accurate. Europe is almost entirely European, Asia is almost entirely Asian, Africa is almost entirely African

This has to be sarcasm, right?

If not, this view is very wrong because it views diversity in a manner that's purely and literally skin deep.

Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by AnthonyMouse on Saturday July 14, 2018 @05:03PM (#17532373)
When people talk about diversity, the diversity they want is typically cultural, but race and culture are strongly correlated. There aren't a lot of ethnic Africans who are culturally Japanese or ethnic Europeans who are culturally African American.

Which means there aren't a lot of people of any race who are culturally Japanese in Africa or culturally African American in Europe.

Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by notahacker on Saturday July 14, 2018 @05:24PM (#17532467)
Trust me, if it's culture you're interested in, Europe has more established cultural differences between white peoples from completely different language groups within small European countries than between African Americans and non-African Americans, and we didn't even have to impose Jim Crow laws to achieve this.
Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by AnthonyMouse on Saturday July 14, 2018 @05:47PM (#17532572)
> Trust me, if it's culture you're interested in, Europe has more established cultural differences between white peoples from completely different language groups within small European countries than between African Americans and non-African Americans, and we didn't even have to impose Jim Crow laws to achieve this.

The category "white people in America" has that level of cultural diversity inside of it. It includes millions of first generation immigrants from all of those places. Plus millions of people descended from those cultures who over the past centuries have developed them into something uniquely American, melding them in a thousand cities with the cultures of all the other immigrant populations that have come here since then.

And we can't pretend that no country in Europe has ever sinned. Or any country anywhere for that matter.

Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by lostlogin on Saturday July 14, 2018 @03:40PM (#17531977)
If you factor in economics that picture gets worse for the US relative to most countries. The divide between rich and poor is large and growing.
Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by ende on Saturday July 14, 2018 @02:43PM (#17531684)
Right behind France and it’s Parisian suburbs, no monsieur?
Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by wozniacki on Saturday July 14, 2018 @05:25PM (#17532469)
Absolutely.

Segregation is probably a more chronic problem there than it is or was ever here.

  But Saint-Denis is not a rich neighborhood.

  It's what the French call a "banlieue."

  Literally translated, the word means "suburb," but 
  it has come to be associated with the depressed, mostly 
  immigrant neighborhoods on the outskirts of the city
  where unemployment is high and opportunity scarce.

  "If you look at the situation of people, you 
  understand the path they have taken to become a 
  terrorist or whatever you call it," Villain told 
  CBS News correspondent Vladmir Duthiers. "Exclusion 
  makes the terrorist, in my opinion."

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  The French government does not keep statistics 
  based on race or religion, but surveys have found 
  unemployment is as high as 30 percent in these immigrant 
  neighborhoods.[1]
[1] Les Banlieues: Searching for the seeds of terror

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/paris-banlieues-seeds-of-terror...

Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by dnomad on Saturday July 14, 2018 @08:57PM (#17533231)
I wonder if you've ever even been to Saint-Denis?

Segregation in France is absolutely nothing like what you see in America where, outside three or four major cities, different races, no matter how rich or poor, are absolutely cordoned off from one another and do not ever attend the same schools [1]. If you actually go to Saint-Denis you will find everything from Russian Jews to Moroccan Muslims to Nigerians to good ol' fashioned ("from before Napoleon took over the world") French families. It's an extremely diverse hood, the kind you'd only saw 30 years ago in America's largest cities.

[1] https://www.vox.com/2018/3/5/17080218/school-segregation-get...

[2] https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/16/segreg...

Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by rdlecler1 on Sunday July 15, 2018 @12:01AM (#17533723)
I saw a study a couple years back remarking on how job applicants without french last names would have far fewer call backs.
Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by hartator on Saturday July 14, 2018 @02:32PM (#17531617)
Might it be you just getting older.
Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by mygo on Saturday July 14, 2018 @04:14PM (#17532130)
> The throughly modern American asks "Why would you need to be in physical proximity to someone anyway unless it was necessary for work? That's so creepy!".

If that’s the case then I disavow all things “modern.” Nothing exciting to me at all about putting up walls between me and the people I actually see in person.

Maybe this is why I deleted my facebook a few years back, call when a few texts become a back and forth conversation, push for meet ups, and don’t use Tinder. I really don’t want to live in a world where the majority of our human-to-human communications is tapping on glass.

Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by wool_gather on Saturday July 14, 2018 @03:28PM (#17531921)
Wow, just one short leap from cars to a kids-these-days rant about Tinder?
Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by extradego on Saturday July 14, 2018 @01:34PM (#17531304)
>throughly modern American

You baby-boomers need to speak for yourselves only and keep me out of it.

(Assuming you mean "modern" as in contemporary. If you mean the more canonical "modern", sorry for the react.)

Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by vanattab on Saturday July 14, 2018 @01:42PM (#17531358)
Are baby-boomers some how too old to be allowed to consider themselves as part of our contemporary society?
Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by extradego on Saturday July 14, 2018 @03:04PM (#17531804)
I wish. You people are a disgrace.
Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by dang on Saturday July 14, 2018 @04:20PM (#17532166)
We've banned this account for violating the rules and spirit of this site. Generational warfare isn't an ok thing here. Same for ideological battle.

If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email [email protected] and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future.

Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by i_am_nomad on Saturday July 14, 2018 @03:51PM (#17532015)
“Exxxxcellent... another sucker has bought into the generational warfare meme we’ve been selling. Divide and conquer!”

- the media

Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by dang on Saturday July 14, 2018 @04:19PM (#17532162)
Please don't do this here.
Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by dragonwriter on Saturday July 14, 2018 @03:58PM (#17532052)
“Excellent—another sucker had bought into blaming the distribution mechanism rather than the group directing it for the message we pay for it to transmit!”

— the capitalist class

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Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by sctb on Sunday July 15, 2018 @05:03PM (#17537066)
We've asked you before not to take into flamewar hell with these ideological tangents, so we've banned the account.
Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by intopieces on Saturday July 14, 2018 @03:08PM (#17531820)
The men scared away from courting by the #metoo movement are exactly the kind that should stay out of the dating pool until they are ready to respect women. Good to hear the movement is working.
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Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by xapata on Sunday July 15, 2018 @03:40AM (#17534219)
I'm male and not terrified, nor even worried about such things. I'm not who this "you" is that you're referring to.

Regarding the chances of arrest, that makes sense to me. I suspect the police are rationally responding to the likelihood of violence.

Regarding the fellows who are considering mass murder, I suggest you notify the police.

Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by christiangenco on Saturday July 14, 2018 @01:17PM (#17531219)
This is the first time I've heard the phrase "Guiltlessness As A Service" - from a google search I think it may be your own term?

Regardless, I like it. I think you're using it to describe businesses that do things like sell carbon credits or do humanitarian work?

Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by guelo on Saturday July 14, 2018 @01:46PM (#17531381)
Or maybe he meant companies destroying the environment, or anything else, for you so you don't have to feel guilty about it.
Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by jgroszko on Saturday July 14, 2018 @04:29PM (#17532214)
Well Deserved is a (parody) marketplace for privilege https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoK4_dQbfuU
Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by radiantswirl on Saturday July 14, 2018 @01:22PM (#17531246)
Companies with an "eco" or "humanitarian" angle are rly just selling newfangled Catholic indulgences.
Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by jeremyjh on Saturday July 14, 2018 @01:29PM (#17531283)
Except they might also actually be helping some people, or improving the environment, even if its very inefficient.
Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by thatfrenchguy on Saturday July 14, 2018 @01:40PM (#17531345)
But they also are a cop out to not solve the real problem.

If you give tuition money to a few poor kids via a non profit, you don’t solve the college debt and education accessibility problem, but it makes people who did it feel better.

Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by cardiffspaceman on Saturday July 14, 2018 @02:05PM (#17531480)
> If you give tuition money to a few poor kids via a non profit

Or pay someone to plant a tree when you fly to offset the carbon.

Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by ghettoimp on Saturday July 14, 2018 @03:25PM (#17531903)
Is it not... something?

One could always not give tuition money to a few poor kids. That fails to solve anything too.

I really dislike the knee-jerk, blanket dismissal of people who are trying to do small but good things.

"If nothing we do matters then the only thing that matters is what we do." - Joss Whedon

Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by AnthonyMouse on Saturday July 14, 2018 @04:31PM (#17532220)
> Is it not... something?

Basically, it isn't. The theory that everyone should do a little bit is based on the idea that if 1000 people each solve 0.1% of the problem then we solve 100% of the problem. Which in general isn't a bad idea.

The problem comes when somebody tries to sell it with bad math. Because then you have a hundred million people each solving one trillionth of the problem, which accomplishes effectively nothing. And worse than nothing, because then you have a hundred million people each thinking they've done their part and no further action is required, even though no one has made the slightest dent in the actual problem.

Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by jdietrich on Saturday July 14, 2018 @02:14PM (#17531530)
Slavoj Žižek makes a very persuasive argument against this sort of tokenism in "The Pervert's Guide to Ideology".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJDgxH8aRGs

Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by hcs on Saturday July 14, 2018 @03:15PM (#17531871)
I watched the video but I didn't notice any argument against the practice, unless I synthesize "one should always feel bad about participating in consumerism", is that it?
Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by blitmap on Saturday July 14, 2018 @04:41PM (#17532267)
I had not considered that planning cities like this was meant to be community-hostile, but I can easily see how this is meant to breed a dependence on corporate solutions.

This has the taste of conspiracy, but I do believe you're right. There's a lot of money to be made this way.

Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by wozniacki on Saturday July 14, 2018 @04:52PM (#17532310)

  I had not considered that planning cities like this
  was meant to be community-hostile, but I can easily
  see how this is meant to breed a dependence on 
  corporate solutions.
Could you elaborate on this?

I guess the angle I don't see answered is why would you need 'corporate solutions' say home surveillance solutions, private security solutions and other security & theft deterrence apparatus and solutions if you didn't have any hostile communities to be begin with?

Was this ever studied in the American or non-North American context? Are European cities and towns seeing a new found need for these things now, that were practically unheard of a few decades ago?

Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by rdiddly on Saturday July 14, 2018 @05:35PM (#17532514)
Theft and other crimes seem to increase the more you remove or disrupt community. In other words, it's not about hostile communities, but the absence of community. In the absence of community, the default is hostility. Or, community is the establishment of non-hostility. Almost by definition. Community is people with common interests in a common location doing favors for each other and looking out for each other. When you have that, crime decreases.

There's also a generic version of the word "community" that people throw around, that can mean almost anything: a town (which isn't automatically a community)... gamers ("the gaming community")... "the Native American lesbian sportfishing enthusiast community"... and so on. I don't mean that.

Anyway, something "community-hostile" would therefore be anything that creates separation and alienation. Among other types of separation, there's separation in the spatial realm, such as through sheer distance (things are far apart), or through side effects of physical barriers that are part of the infrastructure, e.g. walls built to block traffic noise, or streets themselves, especially when wide and dangerous; or through other physical barriers that are more subtle such as the windows of your own car, through which you can see, yet you could easily drive right past your friend coming the other way without knowing it, whereas that would never happen if you were both walking or on a bike or scooter. Well, you say, I can just text my friend on my phone. Exactly, and now you're dependent on the phone maker, the carrier, Apple/Google, etc. for that communication to take place.

Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by blitmap on Sunday July 15, 2018 @02:11AM (#17534038)
Exactly as this fine person illustrated. :-)
Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by guelo on Saturday July 14, 2018 @01:45PM (#17531371)
Wow I love this comment. Especially because I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.
Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by stcredzero on Saturday July 14, 2018 @03:48PM (#17532004)
It’s possible we sold out some cultural knowledge in the process

We've lost most of our knowledge about how to create civic spaces of value.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1ZeXnmDZMQ

The bulk of our old growth culture we just slaughtered on arrival.

A lot of it was transformed.

Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by Fnoord on Sunday July 15, 2018 @03:46PM (#17536707)
"Car As A Service" is essentially rented cars: taxis, and Uber & friends. Problem in USA is bicycles and cargo bikes are not widespread. Hence the roads aren't build for bicyclists and people don't expect them while bicyclists wear helmets (in The Netherlands the latter is rare but roads are build with bicyclists taken into account).
Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by yuhong on Saturday July 14, 2018 @04:21PM (#17532170)
The entire current debt-based economy is fundamentally designed to extract as much money as possible from "consumers".
Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by J-dawg on Saturday July 14, 2018 @01:18PM (#17531221)
This is a fascinating idea which seems worth expanding into a longer piece of writing. Could you give some specific examples of what you mean by “community labor” and what they’ve been replaced with?

Also, what do you mean by “Guiltlessness as a service”?

Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by olefoo on Saturday July 14, 2018 @04:25PM (#17532191)
Fair-trade, ethically sourced, carbon-neutral consumer product.

Guaranteed by a public-benefit corporation.

Bonus: Now on the blockchain!

Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by extradego on Saturday July 14, 2018 @01:23PM (#17531256)
Right on the money.

Before WW2, America was a culture desert. Europeans fleeing the war are the only reason NYC became an international culture hub.

Hip-hop is undoubtedly the most progressive Western art form. (Side note: hip-hop's genius appropriations of commercial symbolisms and it's will to collective empowerment directly underwrite and provide the language of the public engagement of today's millenials. It's influence is as deep as an ocean.) But while hip-hop is the only non-native wholly American cultural movement, it's American origins are a far cry from enlightment; more bound in shame. To say America created hip-hop would be an offense. Saying America stole it would be more accurate.

Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by briandear on Saturday July 14, 2018 @04:20PM (#17532163)
Jazz. Blues. Techno. Ragtime.

Blues, Jazz and Ragtime all predate WWII — and all influenced pretty much everything you hear today.

You could even argue that Breakbeat is American given its roots with the Winston’s.

American culture is vastly richer than many countries specifically because it is effectively an All Star team of traditions from everywhere. Thinking “American” is simply hot dogs and Hip Hop is to greatly undersell what has been one of the great cultural achievements in the history of the world. American culture is vastly diverse compared to, for example, France. You have Cajun/Creole in Louisiana, Tejano culture in Texas, cowboy culture in Montana, laid back “surfer” culture in California, Boston/Nee England culture, Chicago with it’s melange of Polish, Italian, African American. Where else in the world could you have sushi for lunch and watch a rodeo in the evening? To be clear, I am not saying American culture is “best,” I am just saying that to reduce American culture to Hip Hop is about like saying French culture is nothing more than Edith Piaf and baguettes. Americans even invented basketball and baseball — and most of the things I mention were in motion long before world war 2.

NYC was a culture hub long before Workd War 2. Read some de Tocqueville and learn a bit about American history before just engaging in a wholesale dismissal of America.

I am not prone to quoting Bono, but this clip is relevant: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O8aLAZ8SnvI

Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by rainbowmverse on Saturday July 14, 2018 @01:40PM (#17531344)
Appropriation and disproportionate credit for white people is a real and serious problem, but it's not the whole story. Most of the actual musicians who were inspired by black music fully acknowledged their inspirations and were often annoyed at how no one seemed to care about the people they looked up to.

The actual artists out on the stage doing the music know exactly what comes from where. Culture spreads like that: someone likes a piece and adds it to their own, fusing two cultures. It's how we have American Chinese food that looks nothing like Chinese Chinese food. (the xenophobic policies that led to it is another matter)

You have a very narrow and stereotyped view of American culture. The whole of it is not a few white-majority cities in the north and one over-funded region in the west.

Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by extradego on Saturday July 14, 2018 @02:10PM (#17531507)
I have an opinionated view of American culture, and I'm daily surrounded by other musicians, artists. These are the topics we discuss. I am opinionated as a result.

In my previous comment, please note when I say "hip-hop", I am not referring to music, but culture. Nonetheless...

I grew up in the south. My father was literally a clogger. I'm no stranger to folk. But, I am extremely skeptical of a lot of it's history. The mid-century folk-revival era did a real number on our conception of what's really there culture-wise. Behind the curtain, I am honestly afraid it's mostly puritanism, shame, and self-conflict. It's interesting but I think calling it a cultural movement is mostly romanticism. In terms of music, we could delve into details for days, and break down the whole history of hip-hop and jazz, and I do encourage that. There's a lot of good music there. But, I'm afraid it serves essentially the same end in terms of culture; a terribly familiar story. Hip-hop exhibits the whole of the cultural dynamic fairly explicitly, and is internationally renowned. Folk is mostly replicated in parody.

EDIT: Another thing to add... I think most people would be surprised how many contemporary folk musicians (young ones) would actually agree with me. They eventually are challenged with contending with things like: Did folk come from slaves? Or the working class? Or the fraught relations between the two? And is it reconcilable? Where did country music come from?

Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by rainbowmverse on Saturday July 14, 2018 @02:23PM (#17531577)
>> "In my previous comment, please note when I say "hip-hop", I am not referring to music, but culture. Nonetheless..."

We may have fundamentally incompatible perspectives if you see culture and art as separate things. I grew up surrounded by hip-hop (Atlanta), but I know better than to sing along with the n word as a white person. This is because the experience of the music is inseparable from one's experience with its culture.

Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by extradego on Saturday July 14, 2018 @02:54PM (#17531758)
Culture generally has a parental relationship to art. The art is of the culture but the culture is not of the art. I think we agree on that, but I totally see where you're coming from here because I am suggesting something else with folk.

I am basically saying that the legacy of American folk is just too mysterious to nail down, and too precarious to draw conclusions from. I wonder if this would be the case without the mid-century folk revival, which amounted to a mass-commercialization of the white American south as a suffering working-class. The older field recordings in the Library Of Congress suggest the music was predominantly made by slaves. The old radio recordings from Nashville tell a slightly different story and seem to stitch together something of an art form, likely for the very first time. Then folk-revival was a massively commercial effort that made it all look very pretty. But the culture of it all still remains vague. Touring the south and studying it's history doesn't suggest much of any concern for culture in any higher sense. Literacy was surprisingly high but they mostly read the bible. Music seems to have occupied a space more like entertainment than cultural reflection. A likely theory is that it was very much a culture for slaves, but merely entertainment for white people. Hopefully this clarifies my comprehension. Hip-hop is a full embodiment in comparison; a whole new world of unmitigated expression.

Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by briandear on Saturday July 14, 2018 @04:25PM (#17532185)
Opinionated is one thing, inaccurate is quite another. Reductionist and insulting is yet another.
Re:American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage by halbritt on Saturday July 14, 2018 @12:56PM (#17531098)
Too real.