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Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by chiefalchemist on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @07:03AM (#17497011)
> "...we had to ask ourselves what people want and need from a 10” Surface..."

Answer: Maybe not a 10" Surface.

What I dream of is single computing unit (read: cpu + ram + storage + etc.) with the ability to attach to different UIs.

Maybe that's a 5" screen. Maybe that's a 10" screen. Maybe it's voice (and no screen at all).

I know Motorola tried (is still trying?) this to some extent, but as strong as they are, they are not MS.

Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by lmm on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @08:33AM (#17497435)
> What I dream of is single computing unit (read: cpu + ram + storage + etc.) with the ability to attach to different UIs.

The Surface range is the best progress I've seen in that direction to date. A compute unit that one can use as a tablet, a laptop, or (via the Surface Dock) a desktop - my Surface Book has replaced what used to be three separate devices, which is pretty good going.

Yes it would be ideal if it could also shrink down to phone, watch, or ring size, but let's walk before we try to run.

Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by some_account on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @10:04AM (#17498164)
I don't know. I never felt I wanted one device for everything. It would be average at every task.

In my pocket, android phone without Google Services. No way I want this to be Windows.

In living room, an iPad for Netflix, light games and light web surfing while in sofa. I don't want Windows for this purpose either.

Kids room - gaming computer. Windows. Version 7. It's good at this. Best device for powerful gaming.

My work room. Linux laptop and a MacBook air. The macbook is great for banking and other tasks where Linux can't do it. Otherwise I enjoy Linux as my daily work horse.

Multiple devices are great!

Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by lmm on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @10:35AM (#17498435)
I didn't used to think I wanted a single device, but not worrying about synchronising documents between different computers makes life easier. Even just little things like getting home and wanting to finish reading the web pages I was reading on the train at my desk are nicer when it's the same computer rather than tab syncing - and for most kinds of files I might be working on, syncing is less advanced than in the web browser.

> In living room, an iPad for Netflix, light games and light web surfing while in sofa. I don't want Windows for this purpose either.

The current windows UI for this is alright, and there's a decent number of light touch games around. It's not quite as smooth as a dedicated tablet UI, but it's close enough that the pros of single-device outweigh the cons IME.

> Kids room - gaming computer. Windows. Version 7. It's good at this. Best device for powerful gaming.

The surface book I mentioned is actually the 15" surface book 2, which handles every game I've thrown at it. I used to use a desktop, then a luggable 18" gaming laptop, but if the gaming power can be packed into a device that can also function as my travel laptop then why not? And for some modern development/computing tasks you want the same kind of powerful GPU you want for gaming, so it makes sense to use the same device for both.

> My work room. Linux laptop and a MacBook air. The macbook is great for banking and other tasks where Linux can't do it. Otherwise I enjoy Linux as my daily work horse.

I used to use linux and my home server still runs FreeBSD, but almost all the things I actually want to run - IDEs, rendering tools - are available on windows. The current "ubuntu/debian on windows" is good enough for the times when I want to play with some linux-only tool. I could use a different device with a different interface but why make things harder for myself?

Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by chiefalchemist on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @10:30AM (#17498397)
Um.

1) I'm not suggesting on device for everything. I'm suggesting that having 3-ish devices where the only major difference is the interface is: stupid, wasteful, reeks of FW consumption, etc.

2) Put another way. You seem to have A LOT excess capacity just collecting dust and becoming obsolute while most of the time it's doing nothing.

Given the state of the world I find that mindset rooted in the 20th Century, and bordering on offensive.

At some point anticipating tomorrow will have to become more important than the convenience of today. Apparently that understanding is currently unevenly distributed.

Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by some_account on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @01:59PM (#17500584)
I understand your point of view, but the state of the world has nothing to do with buying a couple of devices or not.

It has to do with wars for profit and control, powerless or corrupted media and journalism, science as religion, culture of passive consumerism, and a future tech of AI, genetics, implants, robots which seem cool but will be used as weapons.

Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by k__ on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @07:28AM (#17497133)
I think smartphones are the right form-factor for this.

You can carry them arround, even do most stuff on the small touch screen.

The only problem is their interface.

You would need something better than USB or lightning. Something more like PCIe, to get a low latency connection to your other devices (ereader, laptop, desktop, tv, etc.) and the external devices could also offer your the resources that make them unique. I mean a bigger screen or different UI is cool, but the USP of a desktop is also its CPU/GPU that is much faster.

Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by tgb on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @07:34AM (#17497155)
Thunderbolt 3 is certainly enough - see its use in eGPU setups. (My understanding is that this actually runs PCIe lines over it.)
Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by k__ on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @07:46AM (#17497208)
Nice, but are 4PCIe lanes enough (I read TB3 emulates 4)? Don't GPUs use more lanes?
Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by Postremus on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @08:11AM (#17497313)
At least for graphic cards, 4 lines are enough. Linus tech tips did some videos on external gpu enclosures (e.g. [1]). Conclusion was, if I recall correctly, that the performance declined around 10% when using such an enclosure.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2D79GsrEqe4

Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by k__ on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @08:19AM (#17497364)
Pretty cool.

Question is, could you fit that tech in a smartphone?

Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by rbanffy on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @09:02AM (#17497649)
In theory, at least, you could build a cellphone around a GPU with a couple ARM cores thrown in and keep most of the GPU powered down while you are not docked. When you are connected to a decent power supply over USB-C, you could fire up those cores, provided your phone's back is a massive heat sink (a dock can provide the airflow).

It won't beat a 300W monster or accurately predict the future weather for 10 years, but it'd be more than reasonable for casual gaming.

Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by k__ on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @09:35AM (#17497906)
My idea was that the system I dock my smartphone into would add display, input and extra compute via TB
Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by rbanffy on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @10:23AM (#17498338)
But why do you want to move the computing power? The hardware is ubiquitous and cheap. It's your data that's unique.
Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by detaro on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @08:10AM (#17497310)
They do, but you can go quite far without having them, so it's likely not much of an issue It seems unlikely you'd do very GPU-bandwidth intense applications which such a hybrid device.
Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by jannes on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @11:04AM (#17498680)
Thunderbolt 3 bottlenecks many GPUs. It's not fast enough yet. More here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7Zw-DlTn-M
Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by bryanlarsen on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @09:42AM (#17497962)
"low latency"

USB2 has low enough latency for gaming mice and keyboards, and the various embedded display port interfaces (USB-C alternate mode, thunderbolt) have no more latency than desktop DP.

Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by beauzero on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @09:57AM (#17498107)
It needs to be a bluetooth replacement. No wires. Set it on top of a wireless charging station at a maximum.
Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by chiefalchemist on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @07:36AM (#17497159)
Why can't it snap / connect to the UI (screen)?
Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by k__ on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @07:45AM (#17497200)
I don't understand?
Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by boterock on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @08:13AM (#17497328)
I think that would be interesting but speaking of single compute unit and attachment to UIs is imposing artificial limitations. What I would like best is a seamless compute device integration, with whatever hardware it connects, so for example, I connect my mobile device to a workstation, and not only I get the dual screen or whatever setup the workstation has, but all the compute capabilities, so my mobile device becomes just a storage that keeps all my data... I could even connect the phone to a render farm and let it do its work.

Also in a small form factor, the actual usage is very different than workstation usage (at least for myself, it would be messaging+email+browser+youtube vs visual studio/blender/UE4 in the workstation) and having a powerful cpu/ram would be pointless... The storage doesn't need to be that big either, I think that just storing the equivalent of %appdata% in the phone would work as it keeps your setup and preferences in your device, work software/data can be kept in the workstation attachment devices.

Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by zyberzero on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @07:30AM (#17497139)
So, the thing that Microsoft called Continuum? If you had their Windows Phone-device, you could just hook it up to a big screen either via a docking solution or Miracast and Bluetooth keyboard and mouse. It worked quite good for some of the applications (mostly used Outlook and PowerPoint this way, also RDP to my "real" computer to use Visual Studio).
Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by chiefalchemist on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @07:41AM (#17497182)
Yes. I remember that. But that was a "phone". Close. But not the "universal computing device" I'm dreaming of.

Currently, nearly every device I have is massively underutilized because I'm chained to a fix UI (screen size) for a given moment / need.

p.s. Do you know if this new Surface (via some W10 feature?) will be able to serve as an extended monitor for my laptop. At home I'm used to an extra screen but on the road that's no possible. 10" would be better than nothing.

Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by glhaynes on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @12:17PM (#17499445)
The problem is you'd end up with almost the same underutilization in a scenario where the "core" was provided by one device -- for the big desktop setup, for example, you'd still need a large display, power supply, input devices, etc... yeah, you'd be able to lose the powerful CPU (which is sitting idle when not being used anyway), but you'd replace it with (admittedly less complex) support chips that handle the remote-desktop-from-the-smartphone features. How would that be handled? With a low-power SoC. So in almost any situation, it ends up being worth it just to spend a tiny bit more on a good SoC — then you'd have more power, both devices able to be used simultaneously and/or by different people without compromise, etc.
Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by arcbyte on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @07:48AM (#17497216)
Should be possible with the Connect app thats been out since the Anniversary update
Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by beauzero on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @10:01AM (#17498137)
Yes but still needs to have 5G for it to be viable for everyday for me.
Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by rbanffy on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @08:58AM (#17497621)
> What I dream of is single computing unit (read: cpu + ram + storage + etc.) with the ability to attach to different UIs.

It's called "The Cloud".

On my lap I have a Linux laptop, a couple Google Sheets open, an open Word document (in a browser window) which I was reading a moment ago from my Android tablet. The spreadsheet is also open on the big screen machine upstairs, from where I was videoconferencing before that, and on my wife's laptop (she's working from the kitchen). A couple terminal windows are connected to different servers, one upstairs (actually, a VM running on it), one a beefy GCE instance with lots of number crunching power and the Mac upstairs (the big screen machine), updating ports. If I want to leave the house without a backpack, I can take the tiny Acer "Cloudbook" and summon pretty much all that's on this laptop from there through a VPN and a bastion host.

I can get to my e-mail from anywhere. Same for my documents (Google and Office 365). I can edit code with the tablet (can, but really, no) or any laptop. Where the computing takes place is largely irrelevant - it's taking place in multiple machines, on multiple networks. My phone is just one point where I can get to my stuff.

Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by TeMPOraL on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @09:26AM (#17497832)
> It's called "The Cloud".

And it's shit.

A Google Sheets is not Microsoft Excel. Data stored in some proprietary databases are not files. A browser is (still) not an ergonomic platform for work.

> I can edit code with the tablet (can, but really, no) or any laptop.

Exactly. Yes, but really, no. Same for editing images, or doing actual work with documents and spreadsheets.

The problem of the cloud is that data is held captive by SaaS companies, while all we've got are shiny toys working over web browser. We can't exchange data beyond what SaaS vendors allow. We can't edit data in non-vendor-sanctioned tools. We can't work off-line.

We need something that lets you retain ownership and control of your data, supports powerful software running locally, and generally doesn't treat Internet access as if it was electricity (i.e. assumes it's always available).

Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by wilsonnb2 on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @10:10AM (#17498215)
> A Google Sheets is not Microsoft Excel.

That's true, but OneDrive is integrated into Windows and the mobile/desktop versions of the Office programs. I can open Word on my Windows desktop, Android phone, or iPad and all of my OneDrive files will be there.

> We can't edit data in non-vendor-sanctioned tools. We can't work off-line.

> We need something that lets you retain ownership and control of your data, supports powerful software running locally, and generally doesn't treat Internet access as if it was electricity (i.e. assumes it's always available).

OneDrive and Google Drive both support offline access to files. They get synced with the cloud the next time you go online. Even Chromebooks, which are basically designed to be always online, can use Google Drive offline.

I am also free to open up any Google Drive or OneDrive file on Windows with any program I want. Both of those services integrate with the file system. On iOS, I'm not sure if it's universal, but most of the apps I use allow me to open a file from Dropbox, Drive, OneDrive, iCloud, etc.

Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by rbanffy on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @11:04AM (#17498690)
> The problem of the cloud is that data is held captive by SaaS companies

Only if you want it that way. An NFS share can serve as a single source for your files (extra points if it's on a block-deduped, snapshotted volume). Since well before DropBox, I used a Subversion server to hold data I wanted to share across multiple laptops (back when git didn't exist, wifi was not ubiquitous, and phone data was expensive and only usable via USB). While there is nothing comparable to Google docs or Office 365 that I can host myself (that I know of), I am pretty happy with them (even though they may not be as capable as Office or LibreOffice or Python with Pandas, they do the job).

> We need something that lets you retain ownership

A small cloud server costs about $5/month. You can set up one at your house and use whatever broadband you have.

Carrying around a computer that's optimized for small size like my Celeron-based laptop, but smaller, like my phone, but also fast like my Xeon W desktop, with enough memory for me to work - 16 GB may be enough, with a capable mid-range GPU for number crunching, but also with a long battery life and a enough storage to hold my projects is not possible yet and, when it is, I doubt it'll be enough.

Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by slantyyz on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @10:37AM (#17498462)
>> It's called "The Cloud".

> And it's shit.

Perhaps the answer is "the cloud" but not the way you see it now. We're at the point where streaming games running on a remote server is actually a thing (it's still not great, but it's a start).

If bandwidth gets fast enough, maybe the future is you running desktop apps using a super fast remote desktop that's in the cloud, and not the overglorified web apps that we currently think of as "the cloud".

Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by falcolas on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @01:29PM (#17500283)
> We're at the point where streaming games running on a remote server is actually a thing (it's still not great, but it's a start).

Only if you live near their datacenters and have exceptional bandwidth and pings - a real problem when the major ISPs consider 150ms+ pings and kb/s internet speeds to be "fast enough" for their customers.

You also have to give up a lot of "rights" to play those games - all of your "first sale" doctrines, backing up saves, the ability to play offline, and so forth.

It might be a start for some, but it's a non-starter for so many more.

Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by cube2222 on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @09:56AM (#17498095)
Microsoft office syncs over OneDrive which just doesn't sync when there's no internet.
Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by rbanffy on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @02:53PM (#17501046)
That doesn't prevent you from working on the files.
Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by cube2222 on Friday July 13, 2018 @03:56PM (#17526159)
That's the point I'm making. It works well without an internet connection.
Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by falcolas on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @01:35PM (#17500362)
When you use the cloud, you're immediately at the mercy of three entities:

The provider, who can ban you on their whim with no practical recourse.

The ISPs between yourself and your provider, which is a real problem when ISPs have such lax requirements about "what is broadband"; when they have huge ambitions for making money off your traffic.

The browser vendors, who break backwards compatibility like it's going out of style. This goes back to the provider too, who like to dictate which browser you must use to access their services.

That's a lot of links in a fragile chain just to have access to basic computer functionality.

Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by bryanlarsen on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @10:00AM (#17498131)
This is such an obvious problem with such an obvious solution it's surprising that so many efforts to solve it have fallen on their face: Motorola Atrix, Microsoft Continuum, Ubuntu Mobile, Samsung Dex, et cetera.

A mid-range phone has more than enough CPU, RAM, storage, GPU to do everything 99.9% of consumers need to do: browser, email, word, excel, Candy Crush, even Fortnite etc.

Just plug it into a USB-C monitor, plug a keyboard & mouse into the monitor & voila all your issues with sharing a computer and syncing your documents have disappeared. Along with time & money cost of maintaining multiple computers.

So why has it failed? It's a chicken & egg problem.

The available solutions aren't polished enough to be suitable for the mass market, and the market isn't big enough for all of the app providers to polish their app to seamlessly adapt between such disparate UI paradigms.

Normally, tech goes through the bleeding edge. Early adopters put up with the lack of polish and provide the early market for development of that polish. But the phone as a single unit of computing isn't suitable for the bleeding edge. The bleeding edge is pretty much the only place that needs specialized devices.

Chromebooks had a similar issue, but found their path to market through schools.

What is the phone as computer breakthrough market going to be?

I see two possibilities, there are probably others.

1: Apple. I'm confident that Apple has prototyped this out and then deemed it "not ready yet". If/when they do it, it will be polished from day 1 and would drag app makers along with them, solving that chicken & egg problem.

2: Businesses. I could easily imagine several large businesses targeting their in house apps at a phone or phone-like device that can plug into monitor stations.

Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by anderspitman on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @12:10PM (#17499379)
I think the reason this hasn't caught on is because there isn't a big enough market period. Seems like most people only need a smartphone and a smart TV for personal uses. Anything work related is probably done on a computer provided at/by their. Makes me sad because I really want it to be a thing. I really like your idea of this getting going as a business-oriented product.
Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by mark_l_watson on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @11:44AM (#17499077)
I think you have it exactly correct: either an iPhone or Android with a USB-C to quickly plug into a base station. With an eventual huge market, there would be good competition for inexpensive base station peripherals. That would provide a good web browser, keyboard, access to web IDEs, Office 365, etc.
Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by chiefalchemist on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @12:53PM (#17499867)
re: "So why has it failed? It's a chicken & egg problem."

I think that ultimately, the hardware / software producers want it to fail. The more profit in selling you multiple "you MUST have THIS" widget and a single catch-all system for less money and less consumption.

How about an eco-system of hardware / solution as a service. I mean, aside from your contacts and photos what about your phone must you own?

Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by jamesgeck0 on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @03:01PM (#17501121)
> I think that ultimately, the hardware / software producers want it to fail.

Then why did they invest so much money trying to make it work?

Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by gehsty on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @08:37AM (#17497467)
Why do you think this is a better?

Modularity comes at a cost. Size & weight will all be compromised in order to make this device. Having devices for specific use cases - phones and laptops for example, allow the device to be optimised for their specific use case.

A phone made up of a modular compute unit + screen will always be bigger / heavier (for the same performance) as a phone with an integrated screen.

I see this dream quite a lot on HN and I've never understood why anyone wants their phone to be their computer at their desk. How do you answer your phone if it is powering your desktop? It just seems impractical.

Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by WorldMaker on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @12:15PM (#17499426)
> How do you answer your phone if it is powering your desktop?

How important are phone calls as an "app" anyway?

First of all, for as long as Skype and Google Hangouts have been around, at least some people have been answering voice and video calls on laptops/desktops/etc for many years now.

Beyond that though, it is weird how much we seem to privilege the traditional voice call to a hand-holdable accessory. It's just one communication method in a sea of them now.

(Also, if any other communication app on your phone interrupted you the way we allow phone calls too, you'd uninstall that app and write terrible reviews on that app. It's possibly past time to rethink the modal focus-stealing device takeover that is phone call UX, I feel.)

Even if you wanted to answer the phone call in the traditional manner, a good dock should allow you to undock pretty rapidly and seamlessly switch context into the phone call anyway. (You'd want that dock to flow that well/seamlessly even for non-phone call scenarios. For instance, maybe you are going to head to lunch and want to smoothly pick up and pocket the device on your way out the door.)

With wireless docks the device might not even leave your pocket in "desktop" mode, as you work from the screens and input devices on your desk. The phone call scenario is the take it out of your pocket and answer it dance you are used to, and leaving for lunch just sends the desk to auto-sleep as you leave range without you needing to do anything else. All of that seems quite practical and not that strange from today's technology.

Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by bryanlarsen on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @10:03AM (#17498161)
"How do you answer your phone if it is powering your desktop?"

You'll have a camera & speakers or headset either integrated into your monitor, or plugged into it, just like almost every workplace computer does. So you just click the green "answer phone" button.

Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by gehsty on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @10:31AM (#17498408)
But then your assuming that the person will have a headset, or worse have the call come through the speakers connected to the computer.

I imagine that currently 99% of phone calls are answered by the person picking up their phone, breaking this pattern would be difficult.

If it was a purely enterprise device then maybe it could work, as you could make assumptions about headsets etc, but I still don't see it being better than what we currently have.

Also if I have a desk, I have enough space and power for a high end computer, a mobile computer unit that could convert into a phone would never compete in terms of power with a desktop (or even laptop). Why restrict yourself to your most limiting use case? If you need a mobile computer/phone with a tiny processor that sips at the battery use that, then if you need a huge multi CPU multi GPU system that knows it will never be unplugged from its 1600W power supply use that. The mobile compute unit will be compromised in both these use cases.

Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by WorldMaker on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @12:22PM (#17499502)
> Also if I have a desk, I have enough space and power for a high end computer, a mobile computer unit that could convert into a phone would never compete in terms of power with a desktop (or even laptop).

It doesn't have to be an either/or. You can think of it as an "expansion bus" situation. You can have a bunch of compute power on the desk, but still a relatively "dumb" terminal. It can augment the mobile device from your pocket rather than being an entirely separate device.

An example would be how the Surface Book dGPU option has an extra GPU in the detachable keyboard. Attach the keyboard and you play some games you couldn't otherwise when detached. Sometimes you just use the power the mobile device itself carries; sometimes you increase its access to CPU/GPU cores as you have access to fixed resources such as work desks or home desks or cool hotel screens or what have you.

Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by coredog64 on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @11:49AM (#17499141)
I think it was Verizon that killed Motorola's first effort. They wanted users to pay for some outrageous plan if you were using the phone with a Lapdock.

I have (and still use) a Windows Phone (Lumia 950), and the Continuum is brilliant. We've got USB-C inputs on all videoconference TVs in the office, and my phone "just works" with it. Meanwhile, the Mac users find it to be very fiddly. For one user, when he plugs in, his mouse stops working.

Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by at-fates-hands on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @09:48AM (#17498024)
Interestingly enough, Micorsoft had been working on Continuum where you could have some of this functionality. Considering most flagship phones are packing as much RAM and processors that are as fast as some laptops, this seemed like a good solution.

The only caveat is the Windows Mobile platform is dead. Too bad really, I thought Continuum had some real promise.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/Continuum

Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by digi_owl on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @08:01AM (#17497271)
I think i have seen multiple attempts over the years (earliest i can recall was some IBM brick you could dock to various desktop setups).

Damn it, MS was even demoing something of that fashion right before the pulled the plug on Windows Phone completely.

Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by seanmcdirmid on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @09:11AM (#17497714)
Microsoft actually tried this with their last Windows Phobe effort. Most people were scratching their head because they didn’t really want this.
Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by abrowne on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @08:28AM (#17497402)
That seems to be (one of) Purism's ultimate goal(s) with the Librem 5, their upcoming phone that runs Linux with a GNOME desktop.
Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by SSLy on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @09:28AM (#17497843)
Best shot right now would be Samsung Dex or equivalent solutions from MS (Continuity) or other vendors (Canonical dropped one).
Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by golergka on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @07:18AM (#17497090)
So, you're dreaming about a cloud solution then?
Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by k__ on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @07:24AM (#17497109)
But for them to carry around.

Effectively they want an universal docking-station for smartphones, I guess.

Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by pjc50 on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @07:31AM (#17497141)
Microsoft sort of had this with Continuum. It was great and hardly anyone used it. Previously Motorola had the "lapdock", too.
Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by digi_owl on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @08:03AM (#17497277)
Hardly anyone used it because it was barely available on a single brick of a "phone" from HP, with a price only a corporation would consider.

As for the motorola attempt, it needed two plugs (hdmi and USB), and they could never commit to having a single spacing and overall phone shape across generations. End result, each phone needed its own docks until Motorola went "fuck this" and released a lapdock with some massive cables instead of the dock plugs.

And the Samsung attempt seems poised to develop the same problem...

Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by mciancia on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @08:03AM (#17497276)
So something like intel compute card?
Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by digi_owl on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @08:09AM (#17497306)
Speaking of compute cards:

http://rhombus-tech.net/

Re:Microsoft announces Surface Go by rbanffy on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @09:07AM (#17497679)
That's a seriously bad idea. Why put the computing inside the smallest, more constrained part when all you care about is carrying the state of your computer.

One nice feature of the NeXT cubes with the drives was that you could carry your environment on a disk and insert it on any NeXT machine to work from there. It failed because NeXT machines were never that mainstream and MO disks were slow as hell, but the core idea is that you saved your "world" to that disk, ejected it, went home, inserted it and continued to work.

I can do that with a USB stick and generic x86 computers.