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Re:FanDuel founders to receive no cash from sale to Paddy Po... by brudgers on Sunday July 08, 2018 @06:02PM (#17486474)
In some ways, this story sheds light on the philosophical differences between private equity firms like KKR [1] and venture capital. At least when it comes to the fat parts of the Bell curve (and ignoring outliers), private equity investments tend to be premised on gaining control of the companies accepting investment and seek return on each investment. The fat part of the venture capital investment Bell curve (and ignoring outliers) is looking for fantastic returns from a few companies and tends not to seek control of the companies it invests in.

To put it another way, founder friendly private equity is not really a thing and venture capital is a philosophy that is rare outside Silicon Valley (though it has become more common in the last decade or so). Venture capital is playing long odds based on possible future value, private equity seeks to buy current assets at a discount. This sort of outcome would be a hit to a venture capital firm's reputation. It's not an unexpected outcome when private equity invests.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kohlberg_Kravis_Roberts

Re:FanDuel founders to receive no cash from sale to Paddy Po... by JumpCrisscross on Sunday July 08, 2018 @06:12PM (#17486547)
> private equity investments tend to be premised on gaining control of the companies accepting investment and seek return on each investment

Put another way, losing money on a PE deal is terrible. Losing money on fewer than half of one's VC investments is positively great. When FanDuel sold, it didn't have enough upside left to justify pure venture capital. It was a distressed sale whose alternative was closing down shop. In this timeline, employees got a few more years of cash salaries. On the net, they did better with KKR et al than they would have without.

Re:FanDuel founders to receive no cash from sale to Paddy Po... by hn_throwaway_99 on Sunday July 08, 2018 @07:35PM (#17486914)
> In this timeline, employees got a few more years of cash salaries.

I think most of their employees would have easily been able to get jobs elsewhere.

Re:FanDuel founders to receive no cash from sale to Paddy Po... by dajohnson89 on Sunday July 08, 2018 @09:52PM (#17487433)
That's really a toxic assumption to make.
Re:FanDuel founders to receive no cash from sale to Paddy Po... by sgrove on Sunday July 08, 2018 @11:00PM (#17487661)
Would you be willing to flesh out that comment?

As it is, I don't really understand why, and I feel it's overly negative (though I expect to understand why I'm wrong once you explain it more fully).

Re:FanDuel founders to receive no cash from sale to Paddy Po... by pyrophane on Sunday July 08, 2018 @11:01PM (#17487669)
What do you mean by that?

I'm not disagreeing with your statement, but "toxic" is a strong word and I'd like for you to elaborate.

Re:FanDuel founders to receive no cash from sale to Paddy Po... by bookofgreg on Monday July 09, 2018 @02:53AM (#17488416)
Some people find it hard to get jobs even in a strong tech market, even if they are brilliant due to a variety of circumstances including random chance that is interviews or finding the position in the first place. Blanket statements like this gloss over the human hardships involved for some, and encourages general lack of empathy among our community.
Re:FanDuel founders to receive no cash from sale to Paddy Po... by exolymph on Monday July 09, 2018 @03:47AM (#17488607)
Ironically, if the initial commenter had fleshed out their position like you did, I think the reception would have been much more empathetic.
Re:FanDuel founders to receive no cash from sale to Paddy Po... by dajohnson89 on Monday July 09, 2018 @10:55PM (#17495086)
Sorry, it's just I was on mobile. And as someone below pointed out, it was a pretty emotional response for me. Apologies for the unsubstantiated and harsh allegation.

I just really object to how casually OP waved off people losing their jobs.

Re:FanDuel founders to receive no cash from sale to Paddy Po... by erikpukinskis on Monday July 09, 2018 @06:11AM (#17489159)
When you say something that triggers someone’s trauma, often their only choice is between an emotional response and simply keeping quiet and hoping to leave the situation.

The same person at a later time (or someone who has obvserved that trauma second hand) can sometimes form a calm, rational, politically correct depiction of the issue for you.

If you demand the latter, you will learn much slower, because you are rejecting the best available information on what things are traumatic to people.

Re:FanDuel founders to receive no cash from sale to Paddy Po... by kornish on Monday July 09, 2018 @06:38AM (#17489263)
Answering to some of the sibling comments:

Employees staying onboard under the assumption that their equity, which is part of their total comp, may yet be worth something - that brings on a serious opportunity cost. If someone stays at FanDuel making $160k/yr + $0 in common stock options versus $350k/yr at Google, that's a shame. If 100+ employees do it, it's tens of millions of dollars of opportunity cost.

Re:FanDuel founders to receive no cash from sale to Paddy Po... by vonmoltke on Monday July 09, 2018 @07:07AM (#17489378)
> If someone stays at FanDuel making $160k/yr + $0 in common stock options versus $350k/yr at Google, that's a shame.

That kind of position at Google is one of the hardest to get in the industry. While I wouldn't label this attitude as "toxic", the idea that people from any random startup can just go get a $350k job at Google if it fails is detrimental to this industry. I doubt most of those working for FanDuel (or anywhere else, really) could clear that bar. Not to mention, Google has a limited capacity to absorb people, so the more who apply the higher the bar gets.

Re:FanDuel founders to receive no cash from sale to Paddy Po... by sonnyblarney on Sunday July 08, 2018 @07:58PM (#17487008)
'Private Equity' and 'Founder' are terms that shouldn't really even cross.

PE wants to incentivize leadership, but the concept of 'founder' and all that means, is somewhat beyond.

That said - KKR etc. definitely want to incentivize company leaders to make money, and might likely put in significant bonuses for CEO's in the event of an acquisition.

But yes ... PE entities may care less about this.

But note that it will also be a 'hit' to KKR's reputation in this area. You can be dam sure that future mid-stage entities are going to think twice about the terms of the deal.

Re:FanDuel founders to receive no cash from sale to Paddy Po... by srtjstjsj on Monday July 09, 2018 @02:59AM (#17488429)
Not necessarily. One pattern of PE is to buy a company, make the company borrow money, spend that money on the PE firm's other interests, and then declare bankruptcy to discharge debts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_raid

Wikipedia has a nice overview of the topic of this thread:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_private_equity_and_...

and of course KKR was the most famous corporate raider in America:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbarians_at_the_Gate:_The_Fa...

Re:FanDuel founders to receive no cash from sale to Paddy Po... by sonnyblarney on Monday July 09, 2018 @03:21AM (#17488514)
If you own a company you can do what you want with it, so I'm not sure the term 'corporate raid' always applies.

And yes - as part of the acquisition, it's usually loaded up with debt, which is the weird reason why a company should always take on debt (if they are cash flush, then 'raiders' can borrow money to buy the company and load up up with debt since there is room for it).

If you mean 'reputation' - well - yes, if you sell to a known 'raider' well, then they'll do as they please.

As far as 'spending on their own interests' - well that actually can create problems as minority shareholders can sue.

Re:FanDuel founders to receive no cash from sale to Paddy Po... by mrunkel on Monday July 09, 2018 @03:45AM (#17488596)
Amusingly, this is the exact strategy explained by Ray Liotta's character in "Goodfellas" when the restaurant owner gets in bed with the Mob. Somehow it's illegal there.
Re:FanDuel founders to receive no cash from sale to Paddy Po... by sonnyblarney on Monday July 09, 2018 @09:11AM (#17489906)
Corporate raiding is not money laundering.