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Ask HN: Who's starting new towns in the US?

There are around 1500 towns in the US with population between 10,000 and 25,000 [1]

So it's not like this hasn't been done before. And sort of the ultimate chance to engineer the world you want to live in -- I'd think people would be really into it.

I know that YC has/had a "New Cities" initiative but I haven't seen updates in years.

[1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/241695/number-of-us-cities-towns-villages-by-population-size/

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Re:Ask HN: Who's starting new towns in the US? by 0x4f3759df on Tuesday June 19, 2018 @09:25PM (#17351690)
The founder of Dominos pizza built the city of Ave Maria, FL -- It gets high marks in the child safety/friendly category from the local press but feels suburban to me. The most famous example is probably Seaside, FL built buy Duany Plater-Zyberk, it was the set of "The Truman Show". The story is interesting they had to fight all these dumb zoning laws (eg. The Fire Department buys the biggest truck they can find and then think that every road in the state must accommodate it) -- DPZ has other stuff worth checking out: https://www.dpz.com/Projects/All

My favorite is in Jakriborg, Sweden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakriborg

You learn about this sort of stuff if you are plugged into the urbanist blogs / podcast scene

Re:Ask HN: Who's starting new towns in the US? by AnimalMuppet on Wednesday June 20, 2018 @12:57PM (#17357121)
> The founder of Dominos pizza built the city of Ave Maria, FL -- It gets high marks in the child safety/friendly category from the local press but feels suburban to me.

That's kind of the point of suburbs - to be more child safe/friendly than the city. It's not a bug, it's a feature. (It may not be a feature that you personally want, though...)

Re:Ask HN: Who's starting new towns in the US? by 0x4f3759df on Wednesday June 20, 2018 @06:09PM (#17360272)
Yes that's a major reason people move to the suburbs (but not actually why they were created in the first place), but on the other hand you can build a safe town where the buildings are close together.
Re:Ask HN: Who's starting new towns in the US? by splatzone on Tuesday June 19, 2018 @11:51PM (#17352447)
Could you share some of these blogs and podcasts?
Re:Ask HN: Who's starting new towns in the US? by 0x4f3759df on Wednesday June 20, 2018 @07:36AM (#17354378)
Jim Kunstler's podcast is good when he doesn't veer off into peak oil civilizational collapse speculation http://kunstler.com/writings/podcast/

Granola Shotgun https://granolashotgun.com/

http://www.andrewalexanderprice.com/

I really enjoyed the books 'The Great Good Place' by Oldenberg , 'Streets are for People' by Rudufsky and the Geography of Nowhere by Kunstler

Re:Ask HN: Who's starting new towns in the US? by captain_perl on Tuesday June 19, 2018 @10:17PM (#17352038)
Irvine, California is a subdivision of The Irvine Company, owned by one man, Donald Bren.

To ensure alimony couldn't touch his $15 billion wealth, he had a family out of wedlock.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irvine_Company

Re:Ask HN: Who's starting new towns in the US? by anovikov on Wednesday June 20, 2018 @12:14AM (#17352539)
Cool! Why didn't i hear about this before?

Why there are no other such examples? At least, this approach guarantees that there will be no slums: if slums start to form, the guy who owns the town will start losing billions, quickly, so he will do everything to evict those people.

Re:Ask HN: Who's starting new towns in the US? by CloudNetworking on Thursday June 21, 2018 @11:34AM (#17366089)
That's not how you guarantee there'll be no slums though. You just guarantee you move the slums somewhere else, which is not really a solution for anyone.
Re:Ask HN: Who's starting new towns in the US? by anovikov on Thursday July 05, 2018 @03:55AM (#17461581)
Sorry for late answer, but why not? Slums are not a problem as such. They are only a problem when they are close to normal residential areas, because they decrease property values there. If slums are somewhere where normal people won't see them, i am fine with them.
Re:Ask HN: Who's starting new towns in the US? by staticautomatic on Tuesday June 19, 2018 @09:13PM (#17351624)
I have often wondered if it's possible to build a successful, large-scale community/commune that is secular and run by sane people who engage in minimal financial thievery of their supporters. Think Wild Wild Country but without insane murderous narcissistic assholes at the helm. From a political perspective what they did was actually pretty amazing. The fact that the feds ultimately just asked them to leave the country rather than imprisoning them makes me suspect that the biggest impediment to building such a community may in fact be trying to do it underneath a bigger government.
Re:Ask HN: Who's starting new towns in the US? by TangoTrotFox on Wednesday June 20, 2018 @12:10AM (#17352525)
Garden of Eden is a commune of people that grow their own food, use minimal electric, use water from a well, etc and then sell their produce and products online. They've faced some lovely treatment as well [1]. They were faced with a machine gun raid and day long detainment under the auspices of a drug warrant. No drugs were found. Following that they were raided by the city's Code Compliance Department who cut down and carted off various plants and 'accidentally' broke their irrigation lines with their trucks.

[1] - https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/texas/article/North...

Re:Ask HN: Who's starting new towns in the US? by astrodev on Saturday June 23, 2018 @04:46AM (#17380245)
Good luck getting people to follow someone who is not a narcissistic asshole ;-)
Re:Ask HN: Who's starting new towns in the US? by willcate on Tuesday June 19, 2018 @08:54PM (#17351530)
It's definitely been done. Once upon a time there was a thing called Planned Communities. Reston, Virginia is one such. So is "The Villages" in central Florida. But, especially since the sub-prime mortgage crash of the 00s, I haven't heard of anybody attempting it.
Re:Ask HN: Who's starting new towns in the US? by natoliniak on Tuesday June 19, 2018 @09:26PM (#17351691)
Check out Ave Maria, also in Florida. It is a mixed-zoning town build around a College and a Catholic cathedral, but unlike the Villages, it is actually quite age diverse. So, for those who are not bothered by the the religious aspect, it is seems very livable and I think will be successful.
Re:Ask HN: Who's starting new towns in the US? by danni on Tuesday June 19, 2018 @09:24PM (#17351685)
Not sure about the state of the project, but I remember reading this article last year about Bill Gates starting a new city: http://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-buys-arizona-land-...
Re:Ask HN: Who's starting new towns in the US? by esturk on Tuesday June 19, 2018 @10:17PM (#17352037)
Another related phenomenon is the relocation of an entire town which often results in building an entire infrastructure from scratch. These are either caused by natural disasters like Pattonsburg. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pattonsburg,_Missouri

Or it can be caused by planned hollowing of the ground from mining like Kiruna. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiruna

Either scenarios are fascinating to think about the engineering effort that goes into starting a town from scratch. Like literally sim city.

Re:Ask HN: Who's starting new towns in the US? by gusmd on Wednesday June 20, 2018 @09:39PM (#17361374)
Check out Rajneeshpuram [0], built by the Rajneeshees in Oregon. There's a Netflix documentary about it now, called "Wild, Wild Country". Definitely worth checking out.

Besides all the controversy surrounding it, it was actually a pretty interesting example of "buying land and building a city from scratch".

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajneeshpuram [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_Wild_Country

Re:Ask HN: Who's starting new towns in the US? by jnwatson on Wednesday June 20, 2018 @02:48AM (#17353133)
Celebration, Florida was created in the late 90s by Walt Disney Corporation.
Re:Ask HN: Who's starting new towns in the US? by mc32 on Tuesday June 19, 2018 @09:59PM (#17351912)
This guy bought up lots of land with the purpose of building some kind of city in with his vision.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/12/23/mormon-mogul-ey...

Re:Ask HN: Who's starting new towns in the US? by hamburga on Wednesday June 20, 2018 @04:10PM (#17359266)
This is very interesting and exactly what I was looking to find. Thanks!
Re:Ask HN: Who's starting new towns in the US? by chatmasta on Wednesday June 20, 2018 @07:37AM (#17354385)
This is only tangentially relevant to the question as asked, but you may be interested in reading about China’s “new cities” initiative.

There are lots of articles on DuckDuckGo but here is one: https://outline.com/ZAZvTt (Forbes, yuck!)

Re:Ask HN: Who's starting new towns in the US? by hamburga on Thursday June 21, 2018 @02:41PM (#17368076)
Has anybody heard from YC's New Cities project, by the way? Should we assume it's disbanded? https://cities.ycr.org/
Re:Ask HN: Who's starting new towns in the US? by tiredwired on Tuesday June 19, 2018 @09:16PM (#17351640)
Re:Ask HN: Who's starting new towns in the US? by hamburga on Wednesday June 20, 2018 @04:28PM (#17359452)
Didn't realize this! Interesting take here about how this actually just a run-of-the-mill sprawling Phoenix development that Gates invested in just for profit: https://slate.com/business/2017/11/bill-gates-smart-city-in-...
Re:Ask HN: Who's starting new towns in the US? by singularity2001 on Wednesday June 20, 2018 @04:37AM (#17353570)
There was a great TED talk about new VC funded enclave cities with modern laws. Idea soon got corrupted and dismissed as tax evasion schemes.
Re:Ask HN: Who's starting new towns in the US? by hamburga on Wednesday June 20, 2018 @04:14PM (#17359302)
Re:Ask HN: Who's starting new towns in the US? by singularity2001 on Thursday June 21, 2018 @08:21AM (#17364419)
ja, danke