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Re:We Shouldn’t Be Surprised at the Theranos Fraud by specialist on Thursday June 07, 2018 @11:04AM (#17256376)
Being a whistleblower sucks.

I was an election integrity activist. We were ridiculed, harassed, and in some cases jailed.

Of course, we were (mostly) right. But there's never a nod or h/t to acknowledge the pain and sacrifice.

And don't be fooled into thinking the sniffing salts are working. There's always another con, fraud, bubble. (In my case, all postal balloting, which is worse than the touchscreens.)

I think whistleblowers should maybe just bet on the short. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Big_Short https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros#1992_pound_short

Re:We Shouldn’t Be Surprised at the Theranos Fraud by craftyguy on Thursday June 07, 2018 @11:16AM (#17256513)
> In my case, all postal balloting, which is worse than the touchscreens.

Got any more info on this? I'm in a state where all voting is done through postal ballots.

Re:We Shouldn’t Be Surprised at the Theranos Fraud by specialist on Thursday June 07, 2018 @11:41AM (#17256820)
Paper ballots are scanned upon receipt. So you might as well fax your ballot. They keep the paper for a while, sometimes used for manual recounts, under very narrow circumstances.

Because there's no second chance, admins have to adjudicate for voter intent. So they modify the votes in the database.

To protect the database, as part of the backup, the votes are tallied both at end and beginning of shift. That means a running vote count. Law is that votes can only be tabulated when the polls close. So admin's have the fiction of "summary reports" vs "tabulation".

Yes, admins peek at early results.

Another new threat to integrity is signature verification. But that's a whole topic onto itself.

Happily...

The biggest mitigation would be to switch from brittle FPTP to robust approval voting and proportional representation (as appropriate).

Re:We Shouldn’t Be Surprised at the Theranos Fraud by Frondo on Thursday June 07, 2018 @03:49PM (#17259570)
I grew up in Oregon, which has been 100% vote-by-mail for years, and fraud is non-existent there.

This is FUD, to dust off an old chestnut, at least as far as Oregon is concerned.

Check it: https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&q=oregon+vote+by+m...

In the 2016 election, a potential 54 cases of voter fraud. Here's the breakdown of the kind of fraud (which amounts to .002% of ballots -- one in 38,000):

"Richardson said the suspicious ballots broke down into several categories: 46 voters appeared to vote in Oregon and another state; six individuals listed as deceased voted; and two voters registered in Oregon voted twice."

Re:We Shouldn’t Be Surprised at the Theranos Fraud by specialist on Thursday June 07, 2018 @05:29PM (#17260446)
You’ve observed central count?

You’ve attended the canvassing board meetings?

You’ve audited an election?

You vetted the certification of the hardware, software, rules, procedures used by your jurisdiction?

You’ve collaborated with the nationwide network of admins, vendors, academics, and activists on these issues?

Can you refute anything I’ve stated?

Do you even know how your ballot is processed?

Did I say anything about fraud?

FUD indeed.

FWIW, you perfectly illustrate the challenges whistleblowers endure, so thanks for that.

Re:We Shouldn’t Be Surprised at the Theranos Fraud by Frondo on Thursday June 07, 2018 @09:48PM (#17261921)
This is such a ridiculous reply. "You've audited an election?"

It's on par with "you've inspected the rain clouds, you've watched the rain fall into the Bull run watershed, you've inspected the reservoirs, the pipes, done salinity and chlorination tests on your tap water?"

Voter fraud in Oregon is virtually non-existent, and all you can do is raise the spectre of I don't even know what. It'd be silly if it weren't so insulting, what you're suggesting.

Re:We Shouldn’t Be Surprised at the Theranos Fraud by specialist on Friday June 08, 2018 @08:50AM (#17264762)
I'm sorry you're offended by things I didn't say. I now feel silly and ridiculous. Thank you for setting me straight.
Re:We Shouldn’t Be Surprised at the Theranos Fraud by Frondo on Saturday June 09, 2018 @02:47PM (#17274393)
You're welcome.

have you ever audited an election... rolling eyes

Re:We Shouldn’t Be Surprised at the Theranos Fraud by specialist on Saturday June 09, 2018 @07:17PM (#17275532)
Yes, I have.

Oh. You weren't asking.

You're mocking the notion that such a thing is knowable, that there's an objective reality.

I know. Facts, data, experience, critical analysis are all so unkewl. My bad.

Re:We Shouldn’t Be Surprised at the Theranos Fraud by dang on Saturday June 09, 2018 @08:02PM (#17275695)
You've been breaking the site guidelines a lot lately and getting into political flamewars. We ban accounts that do that, and have asked you more than once before to stop.

Would you please (re-)read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and post civilly and substantively, or not at all?