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Re:YouTube’s top creators are burning out by leggomylibro on Friday June 01, 2018 @05:36PM (#17210617)
>This is all I ever wanted. And why the fuck am I so unfucking unhappy? It - It doesn’t make any sense. You know what I mean? Because, like, this is literally my fucking dream. And I’m fucking so unfucking happy. It doesn’t make any fucking sense. It’s so stupid. It is so stupid.

I think that most people who judge themselves by their accomplishments will run into this at some point. You'll get there, only to find out that there is no 'there' there.

Philanthropy seems like it might help. It can feel fundamentally impossible to be happy or content, when you mix a demanding always-on schedule with the very human desire to always be looking for more. But we also live in a world where many people never even have the opportunity to pursue happiness, and what about their hopes and dreams?

It is vicariously rewarding to see someone else learn how to do something and get excited by their newfound talent. And every hour of your time that you donate is an hour that you don't have to spend under the pressures of your audience or your thoughts.

Re:YouTube’s top creators are burning out by bjterry on Friday June 01, 2018 @11:01PM (#17212414)
The hedonic treadmill is very real. If you are trying to get to happiness via achievement you will either fail to achieve the things you want, or you will realize after achieving them that they haven't made you happier. I've achieved things in my life. I didn't have any major failures until I was in my mid-20s. But no matter what achievements I had (or failures), the changes to my happiness were always temporary.

I pulled on that intellectual thread and learned that this is exactly what you would expect based on the research. Achieving your goals only achieves short-term happiness, and if you base your happiness on that, eventually you are going to reach a goal that stops your happiness dead.

You have to find the things that make you happy, and none of them have a long-term impact. They are the things you can do to maintain a consistent level of happiness, if you put in the consistent work. For me, the biggest impact on my happiness is regular meditation and regular exercise. Research also supports gratitude journaling and philanthropy. Simple. But NOTHING has a long-term impact.

To reiterate, the things that work are the things that give you a little boost of happiness every day, and if you find the right ones you can get to a level that is good for you through constant maintenance.

This doesn't mean achieving your goals is unimportant. Anyone who knows me knows that I have a dogged persistence when it comes to achieving goals. But I don't expect them to make me happy. The key is to recognize that your goals reflect your values, the things you believe are important whether or not you expect them to make you happy.

Purchase your happiness separate from your goals, it's much cheaper that way.

Re:YouTube’s top creators are burning out by MisterOctober on Saturday June 02, 2018 @12:35AM (#17212735)
Well stated. I think there's also a key difference between happiness, which my parents' generation [boomerish] constantly cites as a kind of fixed life goal, and contentedness, which I consider as a state of being more or less able to tolerate your own existence.

The word "happy" is related to luck and chance -- like 'happenstance' -- and used to mean something like "fortunate." [see 'Hamlet' - "We are happy in that we are not overhappy... on Fortune's cap we are not the very button..."] Whereas lately, it's come to indicate an emotional state somewhere in the vicinity of joy. Even so, the word's earlier use points up something key about high emotional states : they are fleeting and fickle, just like the strumpet Fortune.

For my part, I think that if I'd heard more about contentedness as a goal in my formative years, and less about happiness , the hedonic treadmill would have been much easier to avoid -- or, at least, consciously manage.

Re:YouTube’s top creators are burning out by Retric on Saturday June 02, 2018 @07:54AM (#17214137)
You can increase your happiness within a range.

Being economically secure including heath insurance and living below your means cuts out some major issues, but beyond that has minimal benifit.

Partners / children can be a boost or stress point depending on the person, but loneliness is an almost universal drag. Thus seek and maintain positive friendships.

Heath is somewhat up to the whims of fate, but a heathly diet, good sleeping habits, and minimal exercise can maximize what you have to work with.

Re:YouTube’s top creators are burning out by liftdd on Sunday June 03, 2018 @08:47AM (#17219272)
Tangent: I've been looking more into longevity and I've noticed "minimal exercise" is a theme. What does this mean to you?

I'm currently around 20% bodyfat. I eat healthy, drink when thirsty, sleep 7.5-9 hours, walk/bike as much as transport and do "convict conditioning" workouts 3 days a week. Outside of that, I don't "workout" but I am active in chores, hiking, etc.

All my friends are extremely invested in fitness and all sub-15% bodyfat. I am very disciplined but I try to focus more on nutrition than fitness (I cheat too much!).

I'd love more insight and if you had studies on this I'd love to learn more about efficient/minimal exercise.

Re:YouTube’s top creators are burning out by Retric on Sunday June 03, 2018 @05:26PM (#17222255)
That's likely over the threashold I am talking about.

If you're consistent and do intense aka 75-85 max heart rate at least once for 30 minutes per week that makes a real difference over time. Lower intensity requires a lot more because the body needs to adapt to stress.

Traditionally you see stuff like : http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/HealthyLiving/PhysicalActivity... and people say I don't have time for that. But studies find meaningful change happens at under 1/2 their recommended levels.

Re:YouTube’s top creators are burning out by spondyl on Saturday June 02, 2018 @12:56AM (#17212801)
Sometimes I wonder if language plays a part in perceived happiness as well. I usually hear things described in extremes such as "Wow, that's so shit" or "Yeah, it was pretty amazing" but when everything is only one or the other, surely it must start to alter how you view the world.

If you're saying something was "fantastic" but really it was average, wouldn't that disconnect make you feel like you /should/ be happier than you really are? Maybe you'd wonder if there's something wrong with you when really it's just an inaccuracy. I think it makes sense that social media culture at the moment would cultivate that since you want everything to seem way better than it really is. Not that humans don't have a tendency to do this stuff regardless.

It's something I think about from time to time and this post reminded me of it.

Re:YouTube’s top creators are burning out by zerostar07 on Saturday June 02, 2018 @04:08AM (#17213419)
Re:YouTube’s top creators are burning out by baxtr on Saturday June 02, 2018 @12:55AM (#17212796)
I’ve thought about that recently the same way after I lost someone very important to me. I think the whole thing can be described by a 2-by-2 matrix, the axes being:

- pursuing life goals no/yes

- being happy no/yes

Some people just live their lifes and are simply happy, don’t pursue any goals at all. Then other people pursue goals without being happy. Of course being in the top quadrant is optimal, but many people decide to optimize for one axis only. I realized that I’m in the bottom left...

Re:YouTube’s top creators are burning out by gepi79 on Saturday June 02, 2018 @04:26AM (#17213492)
It is easier to have pleasant feelings and a pleasant judgement of life if:

- one has money and success and other things that meet the personal criteria of a good life.

- one has none of the problems related to poverty and failure and frustration and health issues.

Feelings are triggered by hormones and the nervous system.

E.g. panic attacks are related to too much epinephrine (adrenaline).

Quote from the article: “My life just changed so fast,” Elle Mills said in a video from May 18. “My anxiety and depression keeps getting worse and worse. I’m literally just waiting for me to hit my breaking point.”

I guess being creative on youtube also means (too) much physical and emotional stress for some people. Especially for those who already suffer from anxiety and/or depression.

Dramatic change or lack of change despite efforts is also stressful.

Re:YouTube’s top creators are burning out by quikoa on Saturday June 02, 2018 @08:02AM (#17214172)
Put yes/yes in the bottom left, problem solved!
Re:YouTube’s top creators are burning out by vertexFarm on Friday June 01, 2018 @11:58PM (#17212584)
Wow. The separation of one's life goals from the pursuit of happiness seems incredibly stoic, yet necessary. Thank you for sharing this.
Re:YouTube’s top creators are burning out by creep on Sunday June 03, 2018 @12:29PM (#17220306)
>Philanthropy

I've found the best way for me to keep a steady-state of contentedness, sprinkled with joy almost every day, is to truly love my fellow man. I wouldn't consider that exactly philanthropy though, and philanthropy only helps when one has a basis of love for everyone (even for people who openly do 'wrong', or who go against your personal values). Along with that, this love must be freely given to individuals, and not just felt when contemplating mankind generally (it's easy to love mankind, but it's not so easy to love that guy over there).

It's hard work to find that kind of love for everyone and it needs constant maintenance, but once you know how to maintain it, it changes everything. Forgiveness is easier, empathy is automatic, and everyone else's joy and accomplishments become yours. It also gives a sense of freedom, which I suspect comes from not being boxed-in in one body and one sense of self because you have the opportunity to feel things through others, and to connect to others simply by passing them by on the street and noticing that, yes, you love that one too.

There are a few other things as well, though love for men is the biggest. These are: appreciation of beauty in all things, appreciation of beauty in nature (especially contemplating how dynamic nature is), and a creative outlet that is personal.

Re:YouTube’s top creators are burning out by tripzilch on Monday June 04, 2018 @08:21AM (#17227039)
I think what you're describing is called "compassion", in case you were looking for a word that fits better than "philanthropy".
Re:YouTube’s top creators are burning out by creep on Saturday June 09, 2018 @03:00AM (#17271906)
I described love.
Re:YouTube’s top creators are burning out by agumonkey on Saturday June 02, 2018 @12:46AM (#17212776)
I got a bit of that recently. After finally grasping a bit of electronics (which eluded me for years), I ... ended up thinking then what.

Got me thinking that these are important but to an extent only, basic human life is what makes you (only me?) happy. Smooth schedule and smooth people interactions...

Re:YouTube’s top creators are burning out by MikeGale on Saturday June 02, 2018 @01:05AM (#17212826)
I think it a good idea not to pursue happiness at all. Go for satisfaction instead.
Re:YouTube’s top creators are burning out by dqv on Friday June 01, 2018 @07:23PM (#17211393)
What she said resonates with millennials in general. A lot of our parents worked dissatisfying jobs to give us a (relatively) comfortable lifestyle. They instilled this ideal of not choosing a dissatisfying job and instead finding our dream job. They also pushed the idea of going to college as guaranteeing a job.

It is a little shocking finding out that well, no, I can be unhappy even working in my dream job. I am not always going to be comfortable. There are going to be things that I have to face that don't coincide with the reality of my childhood.

It's okay though. You're going to be unhappy and uncomfortable. I don't think it would be normal to be happy all the time. There are people who have it harder and who make it through.

Some things have a universal comfort - I think a lot of times with my generation that a universal comfort is nostalgia. For me personally, it's going outside, breathing in the air, and just appreciating nature.

I think philanthropy should come naturally... I get a sense (especially here) that people are "outrage philanthropic" where they get overwhelmed by the state of society rather than focusing with a smaller more profound contribution. Even charity organizations sometimes seem disconnected. I think there are a lot of spontaneous, mundane things that can be done that help people and it doesn't have to be all about appearances or some preconceived notion of philanthropy.

Re:YouTube’s top creators are burning out by tluyben2 on Friday June 01, 2018 @08:02PM (#17211624)
The problem with goals is that you need to structure them like a food shmup (like Nemesis on the MSX); you progress just enough towards the goals to be satisfied and happy but you generally do not make it entirely. I set my goals so I need to become 1000 years old to reach them and then make stepping stones towards it as subgoals which are all very doable and those I make do give me happiness and satisfaction while I will never make the big goal (but who knows!!!).

> For me personally, it's going outside, breathing in the air, and just appreciating nature.

For me that has been the most important part and the reason I cannot live in cities anymore; whenever stuck or stressed, I hike up a mountain or through a forest. It solves everything; it is exercise but it also shows that my stressors do no matter in any scheme of things. If I am stuck in some code issue, I will not be after I am done walking.

Re:YouTube’s top creators are burning out by cageface on Friday June 01, 2018 @08:12PM (#17211673)
I think the concept of the hedonic treadmill explains this pretty well:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedonic_treadmill

We have a strong tendency to revert to our internal happiness set point, in the face of success or failure. So the trick is to learn to change that set point, which mostly doesn’t depend on things outside ourselves.

Re:YouTube’s top creators are burning out by justinator on Friday June 01, 2018 @09:59PM (#17212192)
I mean, think about it, right? No one says life is about being happy, at all!

There's no guarantee to that - no universal right.

Dunno, I fell into Existentialism before I dropped out of whatever pointless liberal arts state university I was needlessly going to. They had a good library, so I guess I owe them that.

Re:YouTube’s top creators are burning out by GreeniFi on Friday June 01, 2018 @05:48PM (#17210707)
I’m a moderately successful entrepreneur in a field with strong philanthropic kudos. We’ve won some big prizes recognizing our contribution. I get absolutely zero pleasure from this work and recognition and a lot of stress. The biggest pleasures came from the birth of my children and spending time with my wife, parents and friends. My work pays for my family and friend time; end of. And the less time I spend at work the happier I am. This is an incentive towards efficiency. Maybe the one thing I like about work is when I can interact with other people from all walks of life. Probably because it feels a bit like friend-time.
Re:YouTube’s top creators are burning out by TaylorAlexander on Friday June 01, 2018 @07:12PM (#17211322)
I couldn’t say I share your success, but I too feel like I make myself miserable trying to help the world. I design open source robots I hope will be useful for people all over the world and I operate a discussion site to try to get developers and fabricators together. It does feel like I’m using my skills to have the most impact, but it’s fucking exhausting. I’m on the edge of burn out at all times.
Re:YouTube’s top creators are burning out by GreeniFi on Saturday June 02, 2018 @09:19AM (#17214465)
When I feel like that, which I do at times, I remind myself of what General de Gaulle once said, “the graveyards are full of indispensable men”.
Re:YouTube’s top creators are burning out by lallysingh on Friday June 01, 2018 @06:20PM (#17210968)
Yes, this. People are most important. It's amazing how hard a lesson that is.
Re:YouTube’s top creators are burning out by rebase on Saturday June 02, 2018 @02:07AM (#17213004)
If you haven't watched this, it will change your life. Even if you have, it's one of the few youtube videos that is worth a re-watch. The book is just as good if not better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji5_MqicxSo

Spoiler: It is a former CS professor at Carnegie Mellon named Randy Pausch. He had terminal pancreatic cancer. This is a dying professor's last lecture. It is a father sharing life lessons for his kids when they are older to watch.

Some relevant quotes:

- “As you get older, you may find that 'enabling the dreams of others' thing is even more fun.”

- “We cannot change the cards we are dealt, just how we play the hand.”

- “The key question to keep asking is, Are you spending your time on the right things? Because time is all you have. ”

- “Showing gratitude is one of the simplest yet most powerful things humans can do for each other.”

- “People are more important than things.”

Re:YouTube’s top creators are burning out by therein on Saturday June 02, 2018 @04:26AM (#17213491)
I remember watching this 10 years ago as a 14 year old and getting really emotional. And here I am again...
Re:YouTube’s top creators are burning out by sireat on Saturday June 02, 2018 @05:40AM (#17213765)
The video and book were a great example of playing the hand right BUT

for me the conclusion was a rather grim Ecclesiastical one.

Stoicism seems to me 'making the best of bad situation' still we are doomed and doomed soon.

What difference is there between stoicism and fatalism?

Offside: If you are a conscripted soldier in 1940 Soviet army, ordered to march against a machine gun nest in Finland where do you get your solace?

The Finnish soldiers were amazed(and developed PSTD) how consigned to their fate the advancing Soviet soldiers were despite wave and wave of them being gunned down.

Same goes for a situation like in Boethius Consolation of Philosophy and The Last Lecture.

They are screwed and you can delude yourself into thinking things are great.

http://gunshowcomic.com/648

Re:YouTube’s top creators are burning out by fapjacks on Saturday June 02, 2018 @02:13AM (#17213033)
I love this lecture. He dispenses a number of classic stoic principles.
Re:YouTube’s top creators are burning out by lutorm on Friday June 01, 2018 @10:48PM (#17212352)
You'll get there, only to find out that there is no 'there' there.

This applies very generally to human nature, people think that there's some magic thing that if only they get that, things will be awesome. In reality, you will very quickly normalize that away.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedonic_treadmill

Re:YouTube’s top creators are burning out by cup-of-tea on Saturday June 02, 2018 @02:31AM (#17213089)
Indeed. We expand to fill our means very quickly. Often this is physically observable, such as when moving to a bigger place.

An 18 year old with a clapped out Renault Clio is happier about that than Mr Jones is about his Jaguar. We lose the ability to be happy with things that once made us happy.

What I've realised is that we only sense change. A positive change is good, a negative change is really bad, and staying constant is nothing at all. Just like in physics. Constant is constant no matter the absolute level.

My personal goal is to regularly introduce small positive changes in my life, avoid big changes, and resist expanding to fill my means so that (hopefully) I won't have to endure negative change. It's working pretty well so far. My outgoings are a fraction of some of my friends and yet I'm just as, if not more, happy with what I have.

Re:YouTube’s top creators are burning out by manigandham on Saturday June 02, 2018 @12:32AM (#17212721)
Happiness is a state of mind. What's actually necessary is a sense of purpose.

That's why people in vastly differing situations can both be happy, because it's a subjective function of how much meaning you have in your life. Having a purpose lets you battle through depressing lows and accomplish great deeds and still remain fulfilled. Otherwise it's just a chase for the next big thing, and while that can be fun for a bit, it also leaves you empty and lost.

Re:YouTube’s top creators are burning out by narrator on Friday June 01, 2018 @07:52PM (#17211576)
I always dreamed that the thing I'd do when my ship came in would be Angel Investing. It's all the fun of being a startup founder without all the annoying parts of doing the grind. You also get smart interesting people who want your investment being nice to you all day and you get to hear about interesting new technology. You also possibly get to help talented people make their dreams come true and change the world. It's never ending novelty. It's the kind of thing you can do for years and never get bored of it. As long as you win every once and a while, it can go on forever.
Re:YouTube’s top creators are burning out by danieltillett on Friday June 01, 2018 @11:28PM (#17212496)
As some who has started to dabble in angel investing over the last few years it is enjoyable, but at the same time frustrating as you meet so many great people working on garbage ideas or vice versa.
Re:YouTube’s top creators are burning out by grosjona on Saturday June 02, 2018 @03:40AM (#17213324)
I think that the problem with wealth is that it attracts the worst kinds of people into your life.

When you're middle class or poor and not influential, the people around you are a relatively normal sample of the human population and they have a balance of positive and negative qualities but they're mostly genuine individuals.

As you become wealthier or more influential, new people come along who are increasingly greedy, selfish and scheming.

Then this becomes your new reality and that's why you feel unhappy. Your social connections are often entertaining and outwardly pleasing but on a deeper level they're mostly unfulfilling.

Re:YouTube’s top creators are burning out by hyperpallium on Friday June 01, 2018 @11:23PM (#17212480)
> You'll get there, only to find out that there is no 'there' there.

The chase was better than the kill. So why not just chase? Because the chase anticipated the kill. Now what?

Elon Musk is an interesting case.

Re:YouTube’s top creators are burning out by Hermel on Friday June 01, 2018 @06:43PM (#17211112)
> I think that most people who judge themselves by their accomplishments will run into this at some point.

The key is not to feel good about the accomplishments themselves, but about getting there. If getting there does not make you happy, then it might be the wrong accomplishment you are after.

More generally, this is about systems being preferable over goals.

Re:YouTube’s top creators are burning out by kszxgz on Saturday June 02, 2018 @06:40AM (#17213921)
This sentiment seems to be strongly related to the 'paradox of hedonism'. In short: Pursuing happiness itself may not lead to happiness. Pursuit of something other (greater?) than happiness may in fact result in higher levels of happiness.

"Unfortunately for the hedonist, constant pleasure-seeking may not yield the most actual pleasure or happiness in the long run—or even in the short run, when consciously pursuing pleasure interferes with experiencing it."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_hedonism

John Stuart Mill: "Ask yourself whether you are happy, and you cease to be so."

Re:YouTube’s top creators are burning out by Torwald on Friday June 01, 2018 @07:15PM (#17211342)
Maybe part of the problem is a wrong diagnosis. Maybe they don't feel that unhappy. They just have a wrong expectation on how it would feel like, when they finally would be happy for the first time in their lives.
Re:YouTube’s top creators are burning out by extralego on Friday June 01, 2018 @08:31PM (#17211769)
Happiness goes so much deeper than conscious expectations, and the feelings are dependent on these deeper functions that are rarely executed.
Re:YouTube’s top creators are burning out by Kiro on Saturday June 02, 2018 @03:28AM (#17213289)
Yeah, I've always dreamt of being an entrepreneur. It's all I've cared about. Now I've created that successful company, made headlines, did the big exit and... I feel like killing myself. It's game over.
Re:YouTube’s top creators are burning out by devxpy on Saturday June 02, 2018 @04:58AM (#17213598)
Re:YouTube’s top creators are burning out by sametmax on Saturday June 02, 2018 @06:19AM (#17213871)
That's a lot a fucks given.