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Re:Andy Rubin Puts Essential Up for Sale, Cancels Next Phone by martythemaniak on Thursday May 24, 2018 @06:11PM (#17148936)
Typing this from an Essential.

I'm pretty sad. I've had four Nexuses, a Galaxy S and an iPhone and this is probably my favourite. It's camera-problems are well-known, but I really do think it's the best-designed phone on the market today.

Some high notes:

- the notch predates the iPhone X and looks even better because it's so small. The one on the X is so large, they may as well have not bothered.

- The glass-ceramic-titanium is slippery, but a joy to behold. I love the heavy, blocky feel and love idly flipping it around in my hand (I guess I don't need a fidget spinner). The flat sides also have the advantage letting you leave it straight-up on it's sides (ie for camera shots) while simultaneously being rounded enough to be easy to hold.

- flat, unbranded back and general layout is basically what every phone should have.

- The module extension system is probably the best of all the ones that have been tried. I have the 360 camera and it works great.

- speaking of the camera, I love 360 photos. I kickestarted a failed 360 Camera (Bubl) etc, I used to spend a ton of time making photospheres, their camera was fantastic. I love taking photos with it and people actually like looking at them.

- If they had managed to get rid of the chin and shrank the notch a bit (the status bar is 2x as tall as regular Android because of it) on their second phone, it would have been a perfect.

- Apart form the physical stuff, the updates came fast, the storage was generous (128GB) and the UI was uncluttered.

I hope they get picked up by someone, they have a lot of good stuff going for them.

Re:Andy Rubin Puts Essential Up for Sale, Cancels Next Phone by dbbk on Thursday May 24, 2018 @06:20PM (#17149002)
The notch is smaller because it's just a camera lens. The iPhone X basically has a Kinect in its notch. They're not really directly comparable.
Re:Andy Rubin Puts Essential Up for Sale, Cancels Next Phone by yathern on Thursday May 24, 2018 @06:42PM (#17149145)
Of course you can compare them! They're both phones with a notch! You can also separately compare their face detection capability. But that doesn't disallow you from saying one notch is smaller than the other.
Re:Andy Rubin Puts Essential Up for Sale, Cancels Next Phone by huangc10 on Thursday May 24, 2018 @07:57PM (#17149551)
I think he meant given that the features are not the same, it's hard to compare the physical aspects (and more technically, product specifications) "fairly".
Re:Andy Rubin Puts Essential Up for Sale, Cancels Next Phone by salvar on Friday May 25, 2018 @06:18AM (#17152075)
I really don't think anyone was trying to disallow people from saying that one notch is smaller than the other.
Re:Andy Rubin Puts Essential Up for Sale, Cancels Next Phone by hbosch on Friday May 25, 2018 @09:24AM (#17153424)
Much like comparing an oven to a microwave.
Re:Andy Rubin Puts Essential Up for Sale, Cancels Next Phone by ehsankia on Friday May 25, 2018 @01:13AM (#17150790)
Except if you don't want/use face-unlock, then you're left with a huge useless notch... Other than maybe providing better snapchat filter, all those sensors don't do much. I much prefer just having a fingerprint sensor that's smaller and doesn't cover my screen.
Re:Andy Rubin Puts Essential Up for Sale, Cancels Next Phone by uh_what on Friday May 25, 2018 @02:47AM (#17151208)
Just out of curiosity, is there a specific reason you don't want to use face unlock?
Re:Andy Rubin Puts Essential Up for Sale, Cancels Next Phone by ehsankia on Friday May 25, 2018 @02:13PM (#17156433)
It's not that I don't want it, it's that I prefer touch unlock. It's faster, more reliable, and I can do it before even taking the phone out of my pocket and at any angle or light condition. In this case, face unlock actually has a downside which is a bigger notch and probably increase in cost, while actually providing a lesser reliable and slower experience. It's basically worse than touch id in every possible way.
Re:Andy Rubin Puts Essential Up for Sale, Cancels Next Phone by Jaruzel on Friday May 25, 2018 @02:43AM (#17151180)
Until someone gets into your phone using your finger while you are sleeping. Or muggers steal your phone AND cut off your finger with a cigar cutter so they can unlock it.

Having a PIN is much more secure, as bandits can't use your appendages to get into your phone. I really don't get why people jumped on the bio-metrics bandwagon so quickly. If my Password or PIN gets compromised I can change it. if your fingerprint, or iris gets cloned there's nothing you can do.

Bio-metric security looks cool in movies, but in real life it's an utterly pointless less-secure gimmick.

Re:Andy Rubin Puts Essential Up for Sale, Cancels Next Phone by titanomachy on Friday May 25, 2018 @02:52AM (#17151237)
This kind of shit isn't even close to the threat model that 99% of users care about. If you're the kind of person who needs to worry about Mossad breaking into your phone, you know who you are and you're not using fingerprint unlock.
Re:Andy Rubin Puts Essential Up for Sale, Cancels Next Phone by Jaruzel on Friday May 25, 2018 @07:31AM (#17152522)
I have a fine collection of tin foil hats, would you like one?

Seriously though.. Fast Forward 20 years and the Social Media platform that everyone uses has just 'accidentally' leaked 1bn users bio-metric data to a 3rd party. Good luck re-securing your identity after that.

My point is still valid, you can't change your eyeballs, fingers or face if your bio-metrics get leaked.

Re:Andy Rubin Puts Essential Up for Sale, Cancels Next Phone by dwighttk on Friday May 25, 2018 @07:39AM (#17152573)
I think you can add a few .9999s to that.
Re:Andy Rubin Puts Essential Up for Sale, Cancels Next Phone by lagadu on Friday May 25, 2018 @04:32AM (#17151664)
> Until someone gets into your phone using your finger while you are sleeping. Or muggers steal your phone AND cut off your finger with a cigar cutter so they can unlock it.

If someone malicious has access to me while I'm sleeping I have far greater problems than whatever's on my phone. Same goes for muggers: if I feel threatened I'll happily give my pin away because my integrity is far more important to me than whatever data is on my or my company's device.

If my face fingerprint get cloned the baddies will still need physical access to my phone, which takes us back to my first point: the data in my phone is worth nothing compared to the worth of my physical integrity so it's irrelevant.

Re:Andy Rubin Puts Essential Up for Sale, Cancels Next Phone by ehsankia on Friday May 25, 2018 @02:15PM (#17156454)
I'm comparing face unlock to touch unlock, and you're talking about something entirely different. This is off-topic and an entirely different discussion.
Re:Andy Rubin Puts Essential Up for Sale, Cancels Next Phone by tannhaeuser on Thursday May 24, 2018 @07:20PM (#17149366)
Wait, are you saying its notch is better than the iPhone's? I must confess I haven't considered the possibility that the form and size of the notch could be a differentiator. I thought the notch is a design dead-end if there ever was one, but maybe Apple are on to something; after all Apple sure knows a hell of a lot more about design trade-offs than me.
Re:Andy Rubin Puts Essential Up for Sale, Cancels Next Phone by nashashmi on Thursday May 24, 2018 @08:10PM (#17149607)
Typing from an essential, the notch is not really a design plus but more of a compromise to giving the user full emersive experience in phone viewing. It is to get the screen into the rounded corners. The front camera is like saying ... Fine!

Apple does this really well by minimizing the thickness of the notch, filling all four corners with screen, and creating UI concepts that could blissfully integrate the weird screen shape.

Re:Andy Rubin Puts Essential Up for Sale, Cancels Next Phone by on_and_off on Thursday May 24, 2018 @08:25PM (#17149687)
I really really really hope this is a dead end we will wake up from.

Right now I feel this is more about everybody copying Apple because let's be honest, this is what many OEMs do ..

Is it really worth not having stereo front facing speakers and having to add a hole on the screen in order to have it kinda cover the whole front of the phone ?

Am I the only one that looks at the front design of the phone once or twice during the first week and then focus on the content, not the slight chrome around it ?

Re:Andy Rubin Puts Essential Up for Sale, Cancels Next Phone by eight_ender on Friday May 25, 2018 @02:09AM (#17151035)
The weird thing about the notch is that it's really obvious that Apple made a compromise due to constraints. They're likely to do some next level technology investment to get rid of it, and it's going to leave their competitors bamboozled once again.

Creating an engineering problem due to ambitious design, then soaking in the industry scorn and praise, then solving that problem with something new and great is Apples wheelhouse. Competitors who don't see this pattern are doomed.

Re:Andy Rubin Puts Essential Up for Sale, Cancels Next Phone by distances on Friday May 25, 2018 @03:36AM (#17151421)
Any examples of this happening earlier?
Re:Andy Rubin Puts Essential Up for Sale, Cancels Next Phone by darkerside on Thursday May 24, 2018 @09:32PM (#17149944)
Once you've experienced it, it's hard to go back to a phone that doesn't have it.
Re:Andy Rubin Puts Essential Up for Sale, Cancels Next Phone by pedalpete on Thursday May 24, 2018 @10:56PM (#17150292)
Can you explain why? What benefit does it have? It is there to house a part which they weren't able to place anywhere else? Or is there really something that the notch "does"?
Re:Andy Rubin Puts Essential Up for Sale, Cancels Next Phone by ewoodrich on Friday May 25, 2018 @04:14AM (#17151579)
I'm not wild about the notch, but to be fair, the iPhone X is the only phone without any "chin" on the lower bezel which probably gives more of an immersive feel despite the assymetry of the notch at the top.

The Android OEMs are copying the top notch without removing the chin, which doesn't make a lot of sense.

Re:Andy Rubin Puts Essential Up for Sale, Cancels Next Phone by nashashmi on Friday May 25, 2018 @10:02AM (#17153777)
It's very difficult to fill the the bottom corners with screen.

https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/70g52z/why_does_the_...

Re:Andy Rubin Puts Essential Up for Sale, Cancels Next Phone by on_and_off on Thursday May 24, 2018 @11:42PM (#17150442)
@darkersid : wow, this sounds so weird to me. If anything, this hole in the screen distracts from any immersion and constantly reminds me of the chrome of what I am looking at whereas I usually completely stop noticing the chrome of my phone after one week of use.
Re:Andy Rubin Puts Essential Up for Sale, Cancels Next Phone by darkerside on Saturday May 26, 2018 @10:34PM (#17165191)
Yeah it really is nonintuitive, but it's been my experience. It's almost like seeing the notch there reminds me of the space around it.

Do you have an essential too?

Re:Andy Rubin Puts Essential Up for Sale, Cancels Next Phone by darkerside on Thursday May 24, 2018 @11:38PM (#17150431)
It's the immersiveness of a bezel-less display. It might not affect everyone as strongly, but for me, other phones now feel constricting.
Re:Andy Rubin Puts Essential Up for Sale, Cancels Next Phone by tannhaeuser on Friday May 25, 2018 @05:00AM (#17151784)
I don't know, Samsung's S6/S7/S8/S9 has had edge-to-edge displays for years as well (in the horizontal dimension at least) without a notch. I'm guessing I need to check-out in a shop for myself.
Re:Andy Rubin Puts Essential Up for Sale, Cancels Next Phone by darkerside on Saturday May 26, 2018 @10:35PM (#17165194)
I find vertical real estate so much more valuable, and just feels more freeing to have that extra space.
Re:Andy Rubin Puts Essential Up for Sale, Cancels Next Phone by legohead on Thursday May 24, 2018 @07:24PM (#17149395)
I was gonna get one, but no headphone jack :\
Re:Andy Rubin Puts Essential Up for Sale, Cancels Next Phone by RachelF on Thursday May 24, 2018 @08:37PM (#17149735)
or micro SD card support
Re:Andy Rubin Puts Essential Up for Sale, Cancels Next Phone by nashashmi on Friday May 25, 2018 @10:04AM (#17153795)
or replaceable battery.
Re:Andy Rubin Puts Essential Up for Sale, Cancels Next Phone by coreypreston on Thursday May 24, 2018 @06:46PM (#17149182)
I also enjoy the same things about the essential phone as you. It looks like Zune has a new friend.