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Re:Apple Avoids Amazon’s Beauty Contest, Searches Secretly f... by woobar on Wednesday May 23, 2018 @10:56AM (#17134660)
Not just WSJ. It was in the news last week: https://www.wral.com/north-carolina-apple-negotiating-deal-o...
Re:Apple Avoids Amazon’s Beauty Contest, Searches Secretly f... by Reason077 on Wednesday May 23, 2018 @10:59AM (#17134682)
Wow:

"We are a local media company based in Raleigh, North Carolina, USA. We have detected that you are in one of the member countries of the European Union, which is now subject to the General Data Protection Regulation.

... Until we are able to ensure our full compliance with the rigorous GDPR requirements, we are blocking access from EU countries to our websites, which include wral.com, wralsportsfan.com, highschoolot.com and wraltechwire.com. We take the GDPR seriously."

Re:Apple Avoids Amazon’s Beauty Contest, Searches Secretly f... by m_fayer on Wednesday May 23, 2018 @11:10AM (#17134764)
On the one hand I think this is a great sign that the GDPR is being taken seriously. On the other, I see this as corporate speak for "We're not sure if ensuring compliance makes business sense for us and this notice may actually be permanent. You're from a region where anyone interested in our content is probably a long-tail outlier that won't make us much money, so ensuring access for you is not a priority."

I really hope that data privacy regulations don't have the unintended side-effect of significantly increasing the geographic balkanization of the web.

Re:Apple Avoids Amazon’s Beauty Contest, Searches Secretly f... by ars on Wednesday May 23, 2018 @02:47PM (#17136911)
> I really hope that data privacy regulations don't have the unintended side-effect of significantly increasing the geographic balkanization of the web.

It will without a doubt have that effect.

EU citizens are now a liability and simply not worth it. If you are in the EU except yourself to be blocked from large portions of the internet.

On the plus side for the EU, maybe now they'll actually get some internet startups catering to them, since non-EU options are no longer available.

Re:Apple Avoids Amazon’s Beauty Contest, Searches Secretly f... by reaperducer on Wednesday May 23, 2018 @11:52AM (#17135127)
I don't blame them. I'm thinking about doing the same thing for a few of my web sites that have very local content.

The company that sells the advertising on those sites says non-US traffic dilutes the value of the ads, and I'd get 3-5% higher CPM if I filtered non-US traffic.

I've kept them open until now because I like to check on the sites when I travel, but GDPR might be the incentive I need to pull the plug.

Re:Apple Avoids Amazon’s Beauty Contest, Searches Secretly f... by cbr on Wednesday May 23, 2018 @01:10PM (#17135853)
> I'd get 3-5% higher CPM if I filtered non-US traffic.

3-5% higher CPM on how many fewer pageviews? In general, filtering out traffic should always make you less money, even as filtering to the most profitable traffic increases how much you make per page view.

If non-US traffic really were losing you money your advertising company could always drop ad requests from non-US traffic.

Re:Apple Avoids Amazon’s Beauty Contest, Searches Secretly f... by reaperducer on Wednesday May 23, 2018 @01:44PM (#17136221)
Non-US traffic is essentially non-revenue for many American web sites (unless you're running AdSense). Serving pages still costs money, though. So it makes more sense to block non-US traffic than to serve it ad-free.
Re:Apple Avoids Amazon’s Beauty Contest, Searches Secretly f... by lyzan on Wednesday May 23, 2018 @11:45AM (#17135064)
Yep, just had that call yesterday: <0.1% of customers? Drop EU users off our email list and blacklist the EU until we want to actually target the market. Ended up not worth it to even check if we're compliant than to just lose the business, at least for the short term.
Re:Apple Avoids Amazon’s Beauty Contest, Searches Secretly f... by GFischer on Wednesday May 23, 2018 @11:40AM (#17135019)
It will. Copyright protections do the same - I wanted to see an US-based SNL skit and it's blocked in my country.

BBC stuff is likewise blocked.

I find region-based blocks all the time :( , mostly related to IP and copyright.

Re:Apple Avoids Amazon’s Beauty Contest, Searches Secretly f... by oicie0uD on Wednesday May 23, 2018 @11:26AM (#17134891)
> We're not sure if ensuring compliance makes business sense

If that is the the case then it is working as intended. Instead of just ignoring regulation and writing off a small risk of some fixed and difficult to enforce fine as cost of business the "4% of global revenue" clause puts the fear of god into companies.

Re:Apple Avoids Amazon’s Beauty Contest, Searches Secretly f... by craftyguy on Wednesday May 23, 2018 @11:04AM (#17134721)
You can't be all that surprised, right? EU users are now a liability, so it makes sense to block them until you can be absolutely sure you can comply with their laws.
Re:Apple Avoids Amazon’s Beauty Contest, Searches Secretly f... by freeone3000 on Wednesday May 23, 2018 @11:04AM (#17134711)
Isn't it great that they're taking it seriously, and ensuring that your privacy is protected?
Re:Apple Avoids Amazon’s Beauty Contest, Searches Secretly f... by kizer on Wednesday May 23, 2018 @11:04AM (#17134714)
Reap what you sow, Europer.

Seriously though, is GDPR compliance that difficult? What does a news site have to do to comply?

Re:Apple Avoids Amazon’s Beauty Contest, Searches Secretly f... by m_fayer on Wednesday May 23, 2018 @11:14AM (#17134797)
If you're a small or medium sized non-tech publisher who outsourced the building of your digital publishing system 5 years ago and have been cruising along ever since, you might not be very motivated to spend real cash on a big new IT project to ensure your various server logs don't have IP addresses or other "personally identifying information" in them, just to name an example.
Re:Apple Avoids Amazon’s Beauty Contest, Searches Secretly f... by ghaff on Wednesday May 23, 2018 @02:04PM (#17136441)
And, in this case, a local newspaper in a relatively small market. Their exposure is probably pretty limited but it's not hard to imagine a legal or compliance person asked IT is they were compliant with GPDR and the answer came back "dunno." At which point, the decision is between spend an hour to cut off EU access, decide to deliberately sweep any potential problem under the rug, or spend a fair bit of effort to do at least a compliance audit. #1 doesn't seem like a bad choice in this situation.
Re:Apple Avoids Amazon’s Beauty Contest, Searches Secretly f... by rahoulb on Wednesday May 23, 2018 @11:20AM (#17134835)
That's probably the issue. The news site itself doesn't have to do much.

But the ad code and trackers and beacons and all the other stuff that they have installed on each and every page - the news site has no idea what it's doing and how to even begin ensuring compliance.

Re:Apple Avoids Amazon’s Beauty Contest, Searches Secretly f... by gowld on Wednesday May 23, 2018 @12:03PM (#17135228)
They don't want to risk 4% fo global revenue to find out.
Re:Apple Avoids Amazon’s Beauty Contest, Searches Secretly f... by madeofpalk on Wednesday May 23, 2018 @11:07AM (#17134744)
That's actually the worry. What are they doing with your data that they don't to be transparent about?
Re:Apple Avoids Amazon’s Beauty Contest, Searches Secretly f... by icelancer on Wednesday May 23, 2018 @11:14AM (#17134790)
They don't know and don't feel like being in compliance with it. Laws like GDPR and specific sales tax laws net these kinds of results all the time in local businesses who don't gain anything by complying.
Re:Apple Avoids Amazon’s Beauty Contest, Searches Secretly f... by erik_seaberg on Wednesday May 23, 2018 @05:56PM (#17138726)
Just to answer that question can take more time from engineers and lawyers than it's worth for a small userbase.
Re:Apple Avoids Amazon’s Beauty Contest, Searches Secretly f... by hyperbovine on Wednesday May 23, 2018 @11:03AM (#17134706)
I think that's great.
Re:Apple Avoids Amazon’s Beauty Contest, Searches Secretly f... by na85 on Wednesday May 23, 2018 @11:07AM (#17134742)
Nothing of value was lost.